They'd never heard 'Heroes' before?


Seriously? For such big music snobs, it's pretty unbelievable that they'd never heard of one of Bowie's biggest songs.

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I KNOW I'M LATE BUT LISTEN!

I have the DVD and in the Directors Commentary, Stephen says that at the time of writing the book, he had never heard the song Heroes until that time (1992) so for him, it was the first time ever hearing it.

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I have the DVD and in the Directors Commentary, Stephen says that at the time of writing the book, he had never heard the song Heroes until that time (1992) so for him, it was the first time ever hearing it.

Yup: also covered in the FAQ. He asked his music supervisor Alexandra Patsavas to come up with a song that he didn't know in 1992, and she suggested "Heroes".

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I didn't believe that, either… It's a pretty big song from a huge artist. Being young is no excuse!






"Your mother puts license plates in your underwear? How do you sit?!"

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The fact is that the book's author and Movie's director has publicly stated that he never heard the song before in the early 90's himself, and it was why he chose it for the song.
His interview quote is below.
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The problem was when we got to the tunnel scene I just thought, We need something that’s not soft. We need something that’s driving, that’s epic in nature, and “Heroes” was a perfect fit. Alexandra Patsavas, our music supervisor—it was her idea. Because I told her, “I know I’ve got a tall order for you, and I’m sorry, but I need I need an epic song that I didn’t know in 1992.” And she came up with “Heroes.”

That’s the bone I wanted to pick, because I can’t believe the kids had never heard of “Heroes” until it came on the radio, and then still couldn't find the record or figure out for months who sang it. It’s one of David Bowie’s most famous songs!

[Laughs] You and John Malkovich and Jim Powers [both producers on the film] could all gang up on me and say, “We don’t believe it,” and I will put my hand on a Bible and say, “In the early 90s, David Bowie was ‘Let’s Dance’ to me. He was that guy.” The whole 70s Bowie, because I was more into grunge, I came late to him. Listen, if you say to me, “The kids not knowing ‘Heroes,’ it’s not realistic,” I will cop to it! Anyone who has a bone to pick, I can’t argue. But I swear to god, it was real!
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/oscars/2012/10/qa-stephen-chbosky-perks-of-being-a-wallflower

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Weird! ... but thanks for the info.








"Your mother puts license plates in your underwear? How do you sit?!"

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I can buy this....completely different era (no internet etc) and therefore it was more difficult for a younger person to be that well-versed in music history.

I'm about 10 years older than these characters and did know of "Heroes" but I was an older musical snob than they were. Most people in the 80s/early 90s in the USA saw Bowie as more of a mainstream rock artist and not the proto-punk he was in the 1970s.

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This thread is really onto something. Especially considering the fact that David Bowie is one of the most famous musicians of all-time, not to even mention how distinctive his voice is.

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This thread is really onto something. Especially considering the fact that David Bowie is one of the most famous musicians of all-time, not to even mention how distinctive his voice is.


Ive posted this several times on this thread. You seem to have missed it. here it is again.

The fact is that the book's author and Movie's director has publicly stated that he never heard the song before in the early 90's himself, and it was why he chose it for the song.
His interview quote is below.
+++++++++++++++++

The problem was when we got to the tunnel scene I just thought, We need something that’s not soft. We need something that’s driving, that’s epic in nature, and “Heroes” was a perfect fit. Alexandra Patsavas, our music supervisor—it was her idea. Because I told her, “I know I’ve got a tall order for you, and I’m sorry, but I need I need an epic song that I didn’t know in 1992.” And she came up with “Heroes.”

That’s the bone I wanted to pick, because I can’t believe the kids had never heard of “Heroes” until it came on the radio, and then still couldn't find the record or figure out for months who sang it. It’s one of David Bowie’s most famous songs!

[Laughs] You and John Malkovich and Jim Powers [both producers on the film] could all gang up on me and say, “We don’t believe it,” and I will put my hand on a Bible and say, “In the early 90s, David Bowie was ‘Let’s Dance’ to me. He was that guy.” The whole 70s Bowie, because I was more into grunge, I came late to him. Listen, if you say to me, “The kids not knowing ‘Heroes,’ it’s not realistic,” I will cop to it! Anyone who has a bone to pick, I can’t argue. But I swear to god, it was real!
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/oscars/2012/10/qa-stephen-chbosky-perks-of-being-a-wallflower

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Ive posted this several times on this thread. You seem to have missed it. here it is again.
The fact is that the book's author and Movie's director has publicly stated that he never heard the song before in the early 90's himself, and it was why he chose it for the song.
His interview quote is below.

Yeah, but that's irrelevant to the point being made. It doesn't matter whether or not Chobsky (the author)knew about this song. The point is that these particular kids that he was writing about didn't know it... According to his bio, Chbosky graduated high school in '88, same year as my brother. Now, anybody who went to high school in the 80's and were into this music scene like these kids were would've known about David Bowie and this song. How could they not know who Bowie was? I don't buy it. And by the time of the events of this movie (starting in fall of '93 at the earliest judging by some of the songs being played at parties) two Bowie compilation albums featuring this song had come out, one in the mid 80's the other early 90's.

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My mom graduated from high school in '88 and by that time she knew the majority of David Bowie's songs from the '80s. She was a fan of his Let's Dance album when it first came out when she was in junior high.

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I didn't miss it Rek. I saw your original post before I commented. My point still stands. I'm not questioning the thought process behind the scenes, I'm questioning how *THESE* movie characters had no idea who David Bowie was. Bravefish summed up what I was getting at pretty well. Bottom line: NOBODY sounds like Bowie. Plus, we're not dealing with dumb jocks. We're dealing with high school kids who allegedly love music. It shouldn't have been this huge mystery, especially a song that they hear over the radio of all places. It's not some obscure avant-garde experimental jazz song that they're looking for, it's DAVID *beep* BOWIE!

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I have some issues with that. They had to know who David Bowie was. Yes even in 1992. I just think these kids knew their music pretty well and would have known the song. I am a little older than them in '92 and I am pretty sure I would have known it was Bowie. Maybe not know the song, but know the artist.

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I only knew of the song "Heroes" from the Wallflowers' cover for the (very awful) Godzilla movie soundtrack. Like this movie's characters (probably), and some others on this topic (definitely), the David Bowie song I heard the most often was "Let's Dance". And being a Top 40 listener for most of my teen years, I was mostly unaware of his glam days. Because, let's face it, as someone who misses the MTV that they grew up with, were there many times when music videos made before the 1980's ever shown?



Are we beginning to see the possibilities here?

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Exactly. Sam would be up on the history of rock'n'roll and who knows what else. You cannot be musically literate and not know Bowie's catalogue. Not know "Heroes"? Totally unbelievable that she would not have heard it on a random radio at least. Heroes is just one of the songs that could be included in most oldies programs.

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Yeah, that scene just seemed really dumb to me.
That these people were supposed to be extremely knowledgeable about all types of obscure music, but had never heard that song. Stupid.

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"Heroes" was definitely NOT a radio song in America in the 1980's. If you knew of Bowie's "Heroes" as a high schooler in 1992 it would be because you owned the album (HEROES) or CHANGESBOWIE (a Bowie best of released in 1990). "Heroes" is a great example of a song that grew in prominence and popularity well after (approximately 20 years after) it was originally released. These kids were in high school. In high school, you concentrate heavily on new modern music - i.e. the music if your generation - not so much music that was released 15-20 years prior. Now in college that's a different story - it's typical for music loving college kids to delve into the great music that came before their time. It's very believable that these high school kids had never heard that song in 1992.

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I graduated in '86 and heard "Heroes" countless times on the radio from the late 70s till the 90s. I was really into the music scene like these kids were but you didn't really have to be to know this song.

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From 1989 to 1991 you basically didn't hear Bowie on radio stations because nobody was impressed with Tin Machine. Heroes was rereleased in 1991 with two bonus tracks, which is when radio stations started playing the song again. This would coincide with the timeline of this movie.

Heroes, while a big hit overseas in the 1970's was never a hit in the US until the re-release in 1991.

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