Hopelessly bad


The only thing in this film - in fact, all that saves it from complete and utter *beep* - is the cinematopgrahy, which was overall pretty great. Funky lighting, good use of slow-mo, complementary colors etc. Looked fancy.

In all other areas though, this film incapsulates the word "pretentious". There is nothing beneath the bright lights and highly contrasted imagery. Nothing. The story is predictable and shallow, all the characters are flat as pancakes and I as an audience member care for none of them, the script and dialogue is laughably cheesy and at times unintentionally funny (the scene at the dinner table and where Julian shouts at May sticks out), the editing is clunky, the soundtrack is misplaced, the fight scenes looks like something from a music video, there are no thrills, no chills, nothing to stimulate the mind or the senses.

The fact that something so self-absorbed and degenerate could get produced, gives me cancer in the penis.

/Marches off.

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It focuses on insubstantial metaphor rather than characters and narrative or anything that truly resonates.

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Gonna be copy pasting from your review for every thread you involve yourself in?

Why can't the darkness, or the soundtrack, or the violence or anything else you shake a stick at in that film 'resonate' with the viewer?


Resonate with what and for whom? Anyone, or just you? Since when did you become a reson-a-meter for everyone?

What does or does not 'resonate' seems entirely personal, and hardly represents an empirical standard within cinema appreciation.

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So what if I did, what would be wrong with that? Been keeping an eye on my posting habits have you?

Because it's all boring. The violence is just embarrassingly protracted too. Some of the music is good, like 'Wanna Fight', but generally Martinez's score was significantly worse than Drive's.

It didn't resonate with me and by the looks of it didn't with many others either. I never said anything about my blog 'representing an empirical standard within cinema appreciation'.

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Yet you qualify your opinion by stating it doesn't 'resonate', happily omitting it only failed to resonate "with you" as if it were a fact for all suffering this, a flat line of a film, that affected, or afflicted, you so... Despite the film's actual rating and the many opinions shared in discussions arguing against such a sweeping statement as it not resonating...

As for you review, that's great, but just regurgitating what few thoughts it contained wherever it might appear relevant in some or other thread appears, perhaps unfairly, to represent a fairly transparent attempt by yourself to drum up hits or thumbs for your review despite actually posting some or other more relevant, poignant or simply original thought would doubtless be more productive.

I appreciated your description of Chang least ways.

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Well the nature of my blog is obviously subjective, it's opinion writing. I shouldn't have to insert 'with me' or 'in my opinion' everywhere because everything you're reading is demonstrably my opinion.

Considering that my review contains my negative thoughts on the film (of which there are more than a 'few', thank you), I think it was perfectly relevant to place an excerpt of it on a thread called 'Hopelessly Bad'. If you clicked on the link you'd be treated to content that's relevant, original and perhaps even poignant, you'd love it.

You're acting as if I'm making money off this thing. I'm merely sharing my film blog, what's your problem?

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That there was nearly as much hyper link in your post as there was actual post.

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Again I don't see what's bad about that. It's a link to a full-length review explaining why I agree that Only God Forgives is 'Hopelessly Bad' (or something approaching that description).

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I fully agree, total self indulgent crap.

The guy clearly wrote it to show off what he considers to be cleaver film making, but it is just irritating.

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The fight scene at the end was brilliant it's only failing being the 80's action movie lead up which looked straight out of a van dam movie.

The rest, I don't know.

I like Ryan Gosling, and the less he says the better, which is not to say he shouldn't speak, just i'm impressed by what he can convey with few words.

All in all hopelessly bad is a bit nihilistic, I think what you get out of this movie depends on your interpretation of the fight scene, and the rest falls into place.

In that sense the movie does lack a great deal if comprehending it hinges on the correct interpretation of a scene that's meaning may or may not be intentional, and the amount of significance an individual places on that meaning.

It's easier to see this movie as completely irrelevant misunderstanding the fight scene or deeming it insignificant even if you do understand it, and that's perfectly acceptable.

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True,

Even still shows how good this film is compared to other "oscar worthy" films of the modern age.

"In long enough timeline the survival-rate for everyone drops to zero. -David Fincher: Fight Club

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It was so boring that I couldn't stand it any more after about 15 minutes. What a waste of time.

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I agree with everything the OP said except for Memento being crap. But about OGF, definitely. I literally forwarded through all the silence and thank god I did.

I <3 Emily Blunt

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yet by fast forwarding you clearly missed the entire point of the movie so don't go thanking god too quickly.

i know it's often hard for the modern audience to commit themselves to something that doesn't have explosions and dudes in batsuits every five seconds but come on! this movie WAS good.

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After watching Only God Forgives for the first time, I must say I really liked it. I respect your opinion and actually agree on some of your problems with the film. I did indeed laugh when Julian shouted Mai because it was horribly executed. I loved the cinematography and the soundtrack, I thought the editing was pretty good as well. Just overall, A very well shot film. I enjoyed the fight scenes as well. The acting could have been so much better and the dialogue at times is pretty ridiculous. I wouldn't necessarily say it was predictable though because I didn't expect most of the things that went on in the film.

Another thing is, I was not a fan of the ending at all for some reason it felt very anti-climatic. All that stuff being said though, I gave Only God Forgives a 7/10 which may seem a bit too high but I pretty much enjoyed the film. But after watching it I can totally understand why people hate this film.

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People who think that they have any right to comment on this film without watching Jodorowsky, watching David Lynch, watching Tarantino, reading David Foster Wallace's essay on David Lynch (and maybe watching German Expressionist films as well), are just fooling themselves. The stilted dialogue which people claim to be bad somehow reminds me of a mix of both Harold Pinter and Lynch's own dreamlike alienated dialogue in stuff like Blue Velvet. The mise-en-scene is obviously Lynchian Expressionistic in nature and even the themes of the mother-son relationship are played out as strangely as the famous Frank Booth gasmask scene in Blue Velvet. It's Lynch through a Refn scope (Though he says its a Jodorowsky homage at the end) and it lives up faithfully to what it tries to achieve.

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This was the worst flick I've seen in about ten years.

How it has a rating over "2" is a mystery.

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I just saw it last night and loved it. How are people actually missing the point of this film? It's in the damn title, for christ's sake.

"Most people who claim to be teachers or leaders are really just propagandists." - Mos Def

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Well this all opinion based here..

I was going into watching the movie knowing it was this polarizing "love it" or "hate it" movie with no middle ground.

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And I really enjoyed it, until the ending happened. Which in my opinion was so badly executed. I really hoped for a Noir kind of ending, leaving me empty, which in my opinion would've been perfect for the whole build up of the movie.

The main problem I had was this invincible cop??/cop mafia boss??? ("you know who he is?" - "yes", yet I still let myself being beat up by him, because I have no idea of my limitations even though I have this enormous passion for martial arts)/superhero? (Super sword of psychotic self justice: activated)

- I intentionally made my point that way to mess with you and aggravate you, yes - you -

It all fell with Goslings character, established very well as a psychological mess, NOT killing the daughter, but going for this cheesy way out.

Yes he didn't want to go down the same route as his brother, yes you would've needed to create a similar moment of control loss as the screaming scene after the dinner with his mother, but it could've been done. Alternatively you could have let the guy in the skull mask kill the daughter, but with some really gruesome fringe imagery going on.

With that achieved you could have left all the characters in deep, senseless peril, kill them off, don't kill them off, does not matter --> emptyness.

This way it was all these characters or (for the sake of former comments) images/ideas running up against this unmoveable object that is equally *beep* up. His wife is not enough, there is an established stong connection to his daughter, making it easy to break him at the end. Like final shot showing him returning home to a scene similar to the murder of the child prostitute in the beginning.

Still loved the style/score and acting. It is a decent movie, it could've been great.

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It all fell with Goslings character, established very well as a psychological mess, NOT killing the daughter, but going for this cheesy way out.


Thankfully, Refn's clarity of vision eliminated this option as a narrative possibility. If the plot had unfolded in the manner you propose, the film would have fallen apart. Julian NOT killing Chang's daughter is the moment at which he is finally liberated from his mother's psychological orbit. It is Julian's first (and only) authentically active moment in the film. It is true that Julian is established very well as a psychological mess throughout the film. He is conflicted, but he is NOT a sociopath. He has a moral sense, though he has difficulty asserting it because he is psychologically eclipsed by his mother's charisma. This is why he is magnetically drawn to Chang. Chang is a titanic, imposing personality; a clear moral counterpoint to Crystal. Paradoxically, Julian's defeat by Chang in the fight was a victory for his character. Physically broken, he is spiritually reborn--liberated from his mother's destructive influence. This is also why Crystal scurries away like a rodent after the fight. She is powerless, and instinctively recoils from Chang's icy stare. Consequently, at the morally decisive moment in Chang's home, Julian laudably chooses righteous action. At last, Julian acts in open defiance of his mother's will. There is no turning back. By not killing Chang's daughter, he is consciously aligning himself with the austere morality of Chang against the amoral depravity of his mother.

To say that Julian should have killed Chang's daughter is to misunderstand his character (and the movie). The scene in Chang's heavenly abode is the turning point of the film. An invading force dispatched by Satan is trespassing sacred space. It's an eerie scene. Chang's home is God's kingdom--a site of social order and domestic harmony in the moral vacuum of Bangkok. Julian seems to recognize the moral significance of this space, and it effects a profound spiritual transformation for his character. It is as if simply being present in this sacred space of functional family dynamics (presumably lacking from his childhood) activates Julian's latent sense of justice.

By shooting the skull-masked intruder and thereby saving Chang's innocent daughter, he chooses life over death. The alternative would not have made narrative or thematic sense. By saying that Julian should have killed Chang's daughter, you're saying Julian should have chosen death over life--THE definition of nihilism. Killing Chang's daughter would have destroyed Julian's carefully-constructed character arc and derailed the entire narrative. While this act would have satisfied *Crystal's* desire to avenge her son's death in emotional terms, it would have made the movie a repulsive exercise in empty nihilism. It bears noting that the theme of the movie is spiritual redemption, NOT revenge. In other words, Julian killing Chang's daughter would have been a colossal artistic error and would have compromised the thematic integrity of the film.

With that achieved you could have left all the characters in deep, senseless peril, kill them off, don't kill them off, does not matter --> emptyness.


But this is why, contrary to much criticism, the ethos of the film is NOT one of despairing nihilism. Only God Forgives is about the spiritual quest to transcend emptiness. This is a film in which divine justice MUST triumph, in which chaos must be restored to order. It remains ambiguous what this means for Julian. Can Julian expect mercy and salvation from Chang despite being implicated in his mother's criminal activity? This is the moral struggle throughout the film, and Julian's ultimate fate remains unclear--in the classic noir sense. So the noir ending you felt lacking was the one delivered after all. There is no tidy resolution. Julian remains in moral limbo, and his salvation is uncertain despite his spiritual progress.


And you will know my name is The Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!

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Film is art. If you don't get that, go watch t.v.

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