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Is Mr. Brainwash's Art Really That Bad?


You can't say that good art is based on the looks of the art. You can't say that good art is based on the methods of production. You can't say that good art is about originality. Andy Warhol had simple looking art that was based on previous artwork and that was produced in much the same way that Mr. Brainwash's art is. You can argue that Warhol was the originator of this type of production and is an icon because of it but you can also say that Mr. Brainwash's lack of fear to be unoriginal an mechanical is also pretty impressive.

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Art is more and more about innovation and ideas and less and less about skill and craft. Andy Warhol was new and interesting as a modernist a couple of decades ago but to rip him off today is not that interesting to phrase it carefully.

The difference between street artists like Banksy and Shepard Fairey and many in the legion of followers is the originality, the idea and message behind the art. I mean, anyone can do cut-outs and spray funny cartoons around billboards in town if you want to, the question is, why would you?

Mr Brainwash is made up as a joke, a copycat in his methods and completely devoid of all message and purpose in his art, even though some people still don't seem to get the difference. If you don't get it you probably don't really understand what Banksy's street art is all about either. That is like all those clueless hipsters and art critics you could see at the art show and people like Madonna, the current queen of uncool.

With that said, I don't think Mr Brainwash art is terrible at all... as a joke or in a kitschy ironic kind of way. I would gladly put some of it on my wall as a statement of what I find is wrong with the art world today. If you put it there cause you like some colors it's fine as well, but if you put it there because you think it's good art or he's the next big thing then the joke is actually on you. Especially if you paid a lot of money for it.

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He copied Warhol's's factory process. The difference is Warhol had a vision, something to say and knew how to get product from his artisans that meant something. MBW didn't have that so his art factory turned out material more akin to a poster or T-shirt manufacturer.

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Loved this movie, and days later am still processing what I saw (or think I saw.) Art is subjective, no metric (other than the price paid at Sotheby's) can measure how good it is.

Best moment was "reporter's" question about the repetitive image of the Campbell's Soup (spray)can, and Thierry's response. "Warhol has passed, and I am here."

Art is subjective. Some years ago there was a Broadway play (since translated into many languages and performed all over the world) called "Art." It concerned three friends, and their different reactions to a canvas painted a shade of white. Meaning, quality, worth, etc. are discussed and the three friends wind up imposing their own views on the art piece and making value judgments on their friends' opinions.

Banksy did the same thing right here. Right in my face. MBW sold $1 million worth of his art opening weekend (at least according to the film). So if someone wants to say it is "bad", let them.

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Is there anybody who WOULDN'T sell it for $1 million?!?!!

There is nothing, other than the film in question which is likely a hoax, to document that $1 million worth of MBW's art was sold that weekend. Interesting, that we are discussing "foolish" and "public opinion" which are subjective (just like art).

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Bat Pappy is where it's at...

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It all didn't have depth. Banksy's art speaks, it emits an emotional or creative pulse that people connect to. Thierrys art was quickly put together, not really thought out. For instance when he talks about his art, there's no depth to it, he stumbles with words on how to even describe it, he just says "I took out the guitar and put a gun" Okay... is that really art? I think it's an illusion of interest. The film shows the contrast between true artists (the street artists) and those who do it for the ego inflation and the cash. I think the name really proves that point, Exit Through The Gift Shop.

It's not always what you do but how you do it.

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Actually, Warhol did NOT invent this style of production. Renaissance painters' and sculptors' studios were often put together in the same way. The head artist would hire a bunch of apprentices to do a lot of the 'grunt' work (as he taught them technique and helped them to refine their skills), and the artist would swoop in for the more technical, detailed stuff. Warhol certainly modernized it, but he didn't invent it.

I find MBW's work to be extremely derivative, but that isn't particularly a bad thing, in this instance. I think the derivative nature of it says a lot. Not that I think MBW is aware of that message that it is conveying or that he did it deliberately, but that it happened anyway.

What's....this....ruckus?

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I haven't read all of the other responses on this thread, so if I repeat another's idea I apologize, but I think the integrity of his art was the the question. His ascendance to "great", or at least highly paid, artist was not organic in any way. He fell in love with the idea of famous street artists and set out to become one. He did so by outsourcing the creation of his art to other people. The only thing he was really responsible for was the hype. His art seemed utterly derivative and he didn't seem to have a voice or point of view. He simply latched onto the street art movement, lifestyle and artists and used that to gain fame and fortune. He had no need to express himself. All of the videos he shot he simply locked away. Being with and amongst those people was all he seemed to be after.

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I liked his one painting, forgive my sense of history but it looked like a man from the 1700's holding a Gibson Firebird. very cool.

Come at the king, you best not miss.

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I completely agree. I also thought his "Life Remote Control" movie looked pretty cool, although it is definitely possible that it could get tiring to watch after a while.

Had I been living in L.A. when MBW's show was there, I'd have gone and enjoyed myself just like the people they interviewed, and would like them have expressed hope that there would be more such events ongoing. I wouldn't have spent thousands of dollars on the art, but that's a whole different subject, as people paying too much for art has been going on forever.

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You can't say that good art is based on the looks of the art. You can't say that good art is based on the methods of production. You can't say that good art is about originality.

I can say that when I looked at his work I saw nothing there.

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