Boring ...opaque, vague, dull and great for mental masturbation
This movie is a field day for pretentious film critics.
One of the most boring films with an unlikeable, hateful, stupid and violent protagonist. blech!!
This movie is a field day for pretentious film critics.
One of the most boring films with an unlikeable, hateful, stupid and violent protagonist. blech!!
I agree. I'm a professional reviewer who has watched thousands of movies and this one just did not make it. Phoenix was fantastic, but he was all alone with this one. It was just a mess, in spite of the stellar Meta Reviews, I just don't buy it.
Goat at Ruthless Reviews
By "pretentious film critics", do you mean people like you?
I liked it. It didn't shove a certain message down my throat, it was understated and I thought, underrated - Joaquin Phoenix's performance was a good one, and so was PSH's. Not one of the best movies of all time by any means, but an entertaining one if you can handle a relatively slow movie. Slow doesn't mean it's bad.
"Doris Day"
I just read more of the comments.
Saying "just because he just joined doesn't mean he's a troll" is like saying "just because a movie's vague doesn't make it good". While both statements are true, the opposites are true as well - it doesn't mean he's NOT a troll or that the movie's NOT good. He is, and it was. Calling someone a "Troll" on a forum who 1) just created an account recently, and 2) is yelling about and insulting a particualar movie and calling it garbage is not uncalled for because that is the DEFINITION of an internet troll.
That aside, You didn't like the movie? Good for you. Thus the proverb, "cast not pearls before swine". For every good thing out there, there's a really loud person who's very sure of themselves who says it's terrible.
As someone else already observed, if you hate it that much, that shows that the movie did have a big effect on you despite your vehement arguments to the contrary. It's funny that you hated the "protagonist" for being angry and unthinking, in your angry post about liking unthinking movies. Movies that think for you - you're not the only one, lots of people like those movies. This isn't one of them, thank goodness. :)
This movie was *not* made so you would easily "figure out" what the director was "going for". If you need a director to tell you a blue painting is blue, and why he chose to film a blue painting, so you can feel like you watched it "for a reason" and "got something out of it", then don't watch movies that ask you to just watch them and come up with thoughts about the movie for yourself. If you need a movie to be "this" or "that" or have a clear "climax" and "anti-climax" or have someone be "likeable" to be the main character, what's even the point of watching a movie? They'd all be the same formulaic hogwash. At that point it's worth watching purely for entertainment value, which isn't a bad thing but it also isn't the ONLY thing.
I LOVED Phoenix's performance, it actually made me cry at one point. (You probably dismissed it as "boring" and "vague" it because it was full of SUBTLETY.) I love that he actually broke a real toilet in that scene and that the whole scene we saw was from the director's first take. I also want to praise Amy Adams' performance here -- although it was a small part for her, she did a lot with it and and had one of the only moments in the film I would refer to as being comedic - that awkward close-up of her face as she says, nervously, "*beep*. *beep*. ...*beep* me." LOL Amy!!!
4/5 stars.
And as for the protagonist and supporting main character, I saw this in a review someone gave on the main page and thought it summed their characters' motivations and faults up perfectly:
"Quell is a completely, irredeemably, broken individual, whose only surviving qualities are sheer animal instinct- screw, eat, and drink. He yearns to be put back together, to be mastered by some other, to serve some sovereign and thus be welcomed back into civilization. But he's too far gone, or too savage, for that to work. He can't be mastered, even by any coherent sense of self. Dodd seeks the solitude of the sublime but is ultimately made completely dependent on the Other, while Quell, very unwillingly, achieves the freedom, and loneliness, of God."
"whose only surviving qualities are sheer animal instinct"...
You're right about the "unlikeable, stupid and violent" etc. protagonist. The question I'm compelled to ask you, though (and anyone else who agrees with you): Why do you think this is a bad thing? Do characters need us to like them for it to be worth watching them and their actions and see where their stories ultimately lead?
If I want to like someone, I'll make a friend. Characters don't have to be our friends; they're there for us to study, explore with, and explore in order to find things out about them and by extension ourselves and the world. There are so many "bad" characters out there that I find far more compelling to watch than the "moral", smartest or "best" ones.
All of that perfectly describes this cult I've heard of
shareIs mental masturbation supposed to be a bad thing?
Citing NASA as experts on these matters is like citing the KK on matters of race relations.
- rj
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Fair enough. But let's acknowledge a few things.
1) It should be acknowledged that 'The Master' is indeed mental masturbation (as your own comment indirectly concedes).
2) The fact that we are now being deluged with mindless and repetitive action and superhero films is no excuse to elevate hollow works to something they aren't simply because they surfacely invoke themes outside of mindless action.
Wouldn't it be better to simply revisit the genuinely profound works of the past and encourage more works like them, rather than give unjustified praise to those who merely try to emulate them but fail to offer anything of genuine depth?
Do we really want to praise the mere desire to make a profound film as an end in and of itself (spawned from the fact that the director likes film culture and making movies)? Or is it better to wait until a film comes along that is profound on its own merits - one whose profundity exists apart from people projecting such profundity on to it based solely on the director's name.
A desire to see current superhero trends end is no excuse to mistake pretensions of adult works for the real thing - even if new examples of the real thing are rare or nowhere in sight.
The proper response would be to dismiss both "The Master' AND the current crop of adolescent action fare. There are still more than enough great films made in the past to fill a lifetime's worth of viewing.
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The movie is purposefully ambivalent, but interpretation is the core of rich cinema.
You may dislike this film, but I don't think you're in a position to legitimately judge its worth on such absolute terms.
Have you taken the time to research the primary interpretations of the film?
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The word you're looking for is 'art'.
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