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Inability to Suspend Disbelief

posted 12 years ago by jmact
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For starters, apparently, no-one making the movie ever heard of a spike strip routinely used by military and law-enforcement to stop cars.

I also thought a Corvette would be like the worst vehicle to use- one tap and things don't bend, they shatter.

I worked in Corrections, and the first thing they tell you is that if you are taken hostage, you are dead meat. Law enforcement can't allow a dangerous prisoner loose to jeopardize the public using a hostage for protection.

I downloaded the movie, couldn't watch it after awhile, just too stupid.

[–] Ze_Germanizer 11 years ago

Disbelief is not a right argument for Schwarzenegger movies.

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[–] jmact 11 years ago

It's not the fact that it is an Arnold movie. When I see a movie, my hope is to be entertained. Transported to some interesting place and story that takes me away from my daily grind. Like when some people tell stories, it holds your attention, but with others it's just boring or unbelievable bs, then you're just trying to find some way to get out of the situation. With a movie, it's easier in some ways, you just walk out, turn it off, or perhaps fall asleep. But with movies there is an expectation of being entertained, especially if you paid to see it. I wasn't transported with this movie, I just kept getting slapped in the face with totally stupid and unbelievable bs. So my emotional reaction to it is essentially disappointment, especially as I have been well-entertained with most of Arnie's other movies. Contrast this movie to No Country for Old Men which is sorta the same setting and theme.

[–] Ze_Germanizer 11 years ago

You almost had me, until you contrasted it to No Country for Old Man.

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[–] jmact 11 years ago

Same theme of old lawman in the desert dealing with drug cartel bad guy... One movie (with no chase scenes at all) real quality story, acting, nothing dis-believable that I can think of, highly entertaining. The other, chock full of unbelievable Hollywood crap, you might as well just mail in your ticket money and stay home.

[–] Ze_Germanizer 11 years ago

I guess you think that Terminator and Bicentennial Man are also same theme.

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[–] edge_and_christian_16382 11 years ago

u must not have grown up with 80s action films
so many stupid things happen in those days to like guns having so many bullets and arnie and stallone taking on whole army's by themself and winning lol
none of that stuff is really realistic and most of its stupid but who cares it fun to watch
u should really just stick to the realistic stuff of now cause 80s style action flicks just dont seem for u

[–] richwicz 11 years ago

Go watch Commando and see whether you think that's realistic or not. Arnie's movies aren't meant to be serious, they're fun entertainment. I enjoyed The Last Stand for what it was.

[–] joe_538 11 years ago

40 guys shooting at one big guy running through the open and not hitting him? A stockpile of illegal weapons in the back of an army surplus store? Knocking down 12 security guards at once? Impaling a guy with a piece of pipe? I'm sorry, couldn't suspend disbelief, had to turn it off you know... too sophisticated for that. (Just kidding)

On Dukes of Hazzard, they'd have Daisy's car whiz by with a big hairy arm visible. People were in terrible wrecks on the A-Team without getting hurt. Death Wish 3, The Blues Brothers, Con Air, Golfinger, trained Stormtroopers in Star Wars who can't hit a still target, the laws of physics not applying in Pacific Rim...

Some people won't let themselves have fun.

[–] d-adrian-williams 11 years ago

im sorry but rambo was realistic, those guys exist, he was a jungle expert, trained to survive off the land, what was unbelieveable in the movie? which part, maybe the tree jump but it CAN break ur fall, he was green beret vs weekend army enthusiasts, please dont bad talk rambo ill have none of it.

[–] d-adrian-williams 11 years ago

my comments however only apply to the first movie, ill state that from now.

[–] Skutter-2 11 years ago

In all fairness it did seem like the cartel did have guys ready along the way to prevent the authorities from doing anything that would actually stop the drug cartel baron's run in the car. There were guys ready with the truck with a ram that was used to clear the way through the one decent roadblock they seemed to put up- as opposed to those pissy ones where they conveniently left gaps so the sports car could still do some fancy maneuvers to get through. If they could do that it's conceivable that if they could do that they could have guys on the look out for any other kind of obstacle and deal with it. Okay, it's still pretty silly....

[–] Galactus03 11 years ago

THIS IS AN ACTION FILM IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE 100% REALISTIC.....WTF HAS HAPPENED TO MOVIE GOERS????

[–] jmact 11 years ago

Actually, the hallmark of a troll is ad hominem attacks, like calling someone a dumbass or a troll, especially if the comment is all caps.

I was hoping to be entertained by the movie, all it did was piss me off as stupid and I turned it off. Pissed me off enough to start a IMDB thread. Interesting thing about my initial post is the number of people on both sides of the argument who have commented and the length of time the thread as been alive.

[–] BobInValencia 11 years ago

Not just spike strips. If they wanted to take the guy out completely, there is an air station in Yuma to scramble jets, and the Border Patrol has drones for tracking and weaponry, too. And why didn't the FBI chopper have infrared/night vision to track him when he turned off the headlights. Forest mentioned that getting the military involved would take presidential authority. Not sure if it would need to go that high, but, even so, with a major international drug dealer on the loose, one phone call couldn't hurt.
Of course, all that being said - this type of movie is made to show that all law enforcement is inept except for 1 super-cop who saves the day with a band of misfits as support...

[–] reaver80808-552-7999 11 years ago

I'll agree with this, but I'd say it is still a better action movie than most that have been released recently. (at least that I have seen)

Sure it had some terrible lines, some seriously suspect acting, a comedy villain and some plot holes bigger than the Mariana Trench, but at least it had energy and even some actual heart. More than can be said for a lot of flashy crap that gets released.

For me the plot holes were just funny. I didn't fall for any of them, but found I was able to ignore them enough to watch it. I did see it for free(ish)on Netflix though. Maybe if I'd paid, I'd have been less forgiving.

You forgot to mention the fact the FBI can't seem to afford a helicopter with infra red night vision or thermal imagery gear. Instead relying solely on a spot light to catch Americas most wanted lol

It's a seriously dumb movie, but at least it tries to be fun.

[–] JoBagofDonuts 11 years ago

^I agree with this man. I enjoyed the crap out of this. Haha, Peter Stormare and his crew had high tech Call of Duty night vision goggles, just a step above the FBI and their spotlight. Also, I've played enough Grand theft Auto to tell you that when you kill an entire police department at a roadblock and gun down 3 FBI agents, you get 6 stars and the army comes after you with heavy artillery. All that aside, this movie gave me exactly what I wanted.

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[–] ronin11-1 11 years ago

I too suffered from the inability to suspend disbelief. But on a positive note I found this movie to be an excellent remedy for insomnia.

[–] jmact 11 years ago

My go-to for insomnia is Corner Gas. Sleep hygiene SOP would be to avoid anything that would piss you off.

Against the reviews, I tried to watch Lone Ranger last night. Couldn't make it through without falling asleep, so I skipped to the end. As someone who grew up watching the Lone Ranger on TV, the plot was unrecognizable, vaguely irritating, boring. Nice to hear the old William Tell Overture at the end, tho.

[–] tokyostreetkiller 11 years ago

I could suspend disbelief for all of the movie. It was fun and entertaining. But that ridiculous and over the top scheme to bust out the cartel boss was straight up dumb. I mean seriously. I ran convoy security in Iraq and we did all kinds of sh*t and employed numerous tactics to avoid ambush. You're telling me the FBI didn't have a clue as to how any of that worked? lol come on man! A magnet crane? Other than that, the movie was fun.

"Let's get out of here before one of those things kills Guy!"

[–] jmact 11 years ago

If you ran convoys in Iraq, you certainly know what you are talking about. I worked with soldiers in Army medical in Germany, heard a lot of stories. If they wanted to get the bad guy delivered, they should have used experienced US Army security forces. Of course, then they would not have had a Hollywood movie. Would have been a much different, and for me more enjoyable, movie if it has been done by Kathryn Bigelow. Wouldn't have made as much money, tho.

[–] tokyostreetkiller 11 years ago

Yeah, I still had fun watching the movie but some of the little details here and there did annoy me. Another example: The guy who was locked up and deputized. Well, he's apparently a former Marine (as evident by the "Semper Fi" tattooed on his forearm). But he does little things that just scream "I don't know what I'm doing" lol When they were setting up the road block, he didn't know the simple concept of a choke point or when he went to help Johnny Knoxville for example, in the middle of the killzone, he fireman-carries poor Johnny over his shoulder. No soldier or marine would ever do that. You drag him! and ONLY after the threat to both of you is ZERO. The same could be said about the mercenaries who don't properly use cover, or movement. They must not have been that expensive lol

Not to mention, a .50 caliber round would have torn Luis Guzmans arm off along with a good chunk of his torso out in the real world.

I'm nitpicking of course, these were moments during the film where I said to myself: "really?". In the end, I accept the film for what it is: Fun. But yeah, it could have been much more enjoyable if they paid more attention to realism. Then again, I enjoyed it either way.

"Let's get out of here before one of those things kills Guy!"

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