Spreak Engrish Arnie!
DAmmit Arnie! one of best, maybe the best action Hero ever and 44 years in the US you haven't mastered ENGLISH???
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Most Americans have only a hazy relationship with the English language...
'What is an Oprah?'-Teal'c.
I love the MORONS arguing in this thread.
Arnie has not lost the accent because he chooses NOT to lose the accent. That is the ONLY answer, and the discussion about it should end HERE. Done, finished.
He's an a ACTOR, and he's also a VERY smart person, who made his millions in real estate long before he was an actor. He's keeping the accent, deal with it.
Sorry, the MORON is someone who is an almost exclusively english(w/some spanish) environment for over 40 years and cannot manage to learn to speak without and accent, am I a moron for merely pointing it out? ya Douche.
shareSorry, the MORON is someone who is an almost exclusively english(w/some spanish) environment for over 40 years and cannot manage to learn to speak without and accent, am I a moron for merely pointing it out? ya Douche.
No, you are not a moron. NO one is a MORON here at all.
The truth of the matter is he'll never lose the 'accent'. It's not just Arny. People who's first language is not English and who learn it an older age won't lose their accent.
Again, this has nothing to do with being a moron or whatever. It's literally a fact. He can't help it, neither can the millions of others who struggle with an 'accent'. They'll never lose it. share
"People who's first language is not English and who learn it an older age won't lose their accent."
I, as a second generation immigrant (came here as an early teen), agrees with you!
machineWar. I will make an exception to your response: whoever you replied to IS A MYOPIC MORON (AND A DOUCHE) who has ZERO ------- idea of immigrants struggling with English (hey, I still do).
cannot overcome an accent? That's the kind of f-ed up language English is. Escpecially when one migrated to US as an ADULT and NOT as a kid! No matter how ------- hard you try, you will never, ever lose accents.
Compared to other immigrants I know, Arnie's English skill is actually faring great.
I learned perfect Russian at twenty-three asking why some cannot speak perfect English or in Arnie's case clear english does not make me a Douche or a myopic moron, it is a legitemate question, harsh as it is...
A simple "Hey I came here later in life and it is not as easy as it sounds to get rid of an accent>> but we love Arnie anyway right?"
Your hostile response could have been left out... Your hostile response implies to me that you have anger issues and that you you are lashing out due to some deep seated insecurity.
so you are one of those very few exceptions and EXTREME cases; good for you. You see, this is a flaw of those few gifted people; they are just simply unable to comprehend standard people. Let me remind you again; we are NOT talking about extreme cases.
As I said earlier, There are some atrociously difficult languages: Chinese, Russians, Icelandic, Arabs etc. But ENGLISH TRUMPS THEM ALL! Why don't you ask other immigrants this question (ESPECIALLY Asian immigrants)? I am CONFIDENT that nearly all other immigrants would AGREE with me on this.
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It's about psychology, you dumb *beep*. I'm Norwegian and speak with an accent, but I can fake an American or British accent if I wanted to.
The problem is that it wouldn't be natural. I would feel like I'm acting.
Imagine someone from New York moving to some hick town in Texas. Do you think they'd keep their accent? Do you think switching to a southern drawl would feel natural to them? No.
As for your claim that you speak perfect Russian, that really sounds like *beep* But hey, on the internet you can make any claim you want, and not have to back it up.
Imagine someone from New York moving to some hick town in Texas. Do you think they'd keep their accent? Do you think switching to a southern drawl would feel natural to them? No.
Yes, Americans who move North to South do wind up sounding more Southern without trying to. I'm not sure if it gets close enough to fool a native, but their Northerner friends mock them for it.
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lol...u learned perfect russian?? according to who?!?
shareRot svoy zatkni, poliglot huyev! Ponimal by chego v zhizni, soplyak yobanniy.
Enjoy your perfect Russian, punk
I think he spoke better English before, getting old seems to slightly affect his ability to speak clearly, also his jaw structure may also a factor for his pronunciation, if not necessarily about accent.
shareKid, gimme your Skype, I wanna test your Russian.
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Thank you an honest response with defernance to an insult...You make IMBD better, I am not being sarcastic.
shareI'm an Austrian and grew up roughly 2 hours away from Arnie's birth place Graz. Fact is, that grazian people already have a strong accent when speaking German. People from the eastern part of Austria do speak more clearly and accurate while people from the more southern and western parts do have a distinctive accent, even when speaking their mother tongue. That's why he can't really pronounce English correctly because he's got this thick accent anyways. I, for myself, living near to Vienna (the capitol of Ausria) do not have that much of an accent and my english is pretty good, though quite stiff and rusty when spoken due to lack of usage. But if i were to immigrate to the US, i would be able to speak close-to-perfect English in under a year. It's just a practice thing.
Just compare Arnie to Christoph Waltz. Both are Austrian. Both grew up in different places. Waltz' English is close to perfect, sure, you can hear an accent but compared to Arnie's it's a million times more accurate.
Spot on Johnny! You have got right to the heart of the problem and countered everyones argument, I doff my hat to you sir!
He's not the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy..
1. learn the age when Arnie came to US before you spit out your stupidity. YES, the age DOES MATTER with English skill and articulation (YOUNGER the age THE BETTER). No, you F---ING idiot. You are a MORON for displaying your stupidity born of egocentric myopia for EVERYONE to see.
2. judging from your dumb--- comment, I bet that you are NOT an immigrant...
3. if one came at a very early age (anywhere between newborn to 6 years), then just maybe, they would be able to speak accent-less English that you love to suck on.
4. You think Arnie is bad? You haven't seen ANYTHING!
5. adults who came to US or at late age will NEVER lose their accent, no matter how hard they try. (but of course, there is ALWAYS a handful of exceptions but we are NOT talking about extreme case)
6. and it NEVER occurred to your spoiled life that English is THE CRAZIEST and the MOST ATROCIOUSLY DIFFICULT language to learn to begin with! Let alone accents.
7. you would do much better if you just shut your mouth and keep your myopic perspective to yourself.
I, as a second-generation immigrant, CAN BACK UP MY STATEMENT. What's YOUR back up?
My back is: My Russian accent is perfect, I learned Russian from Russians when I was 23, I had mastered the Russian accent and way of speaking it is possible to work at losing an accent especially after 40 years.
"F---ING idiot
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stupidity
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You sound angry and should probably get therapy...
Maybe in your homeland you do not have freedom of speech, maybe work on the purity of American discourse before worrying about your pathetic accent.
It is okay to educate me on the struggles of an immigrant. But to sound superior and insult me, well that just makes you a douche bag.
Like I said, THERE IS ALWAYS AN EXCEPTION, or did you NOT read my comment? Arnie, myself and most other vast majority of immigrants are NOT one of those few gifted exceptions.
so you turned out to be one of the few gifted in linguistics? Good. But to speak as if everyone is gifted as you and expects everyone to be as gifted as you makes you a f-ing haughty, arrogant douchebag.
So what if you learned from common people? That's nothing home to write about. Come back and brag when you learned Russian from some school and LEARNED Russian PROPERLY. (I'll give you a hint: Learn to use 'is not/am not' in school before you learn to use 'ain't'!)
this maybe irrelvant, but let me say this anyway. I knew a buddy from the army who made the same claim as you did; he also learned his foreign language (German) from people and not from schools. The result? He can engage basic conversation with his German wife and friends, anything beyond that he cannot (reading sophisticated books, articles, filing legal papers in German [about his wife], engaging in debates etc.)... These because he did NOT learn his language the right way. The difference between you and him? He is honest enough to admit that his German, which he learned from people, sound seemingly perfect to those who know nothing about German, but in actuality is FAR FROM perfect!
I PROMISE you what you think is a PERFECT accent when it comes to a language like Russian is only in your minds eye.
Ok you didn't like the film,
But why so much hatred over a movie?
You need a man hug
'''6. and it NEVER occurred to your spoiled life that English is THE CRAZIEST and the MOST ATROCIOUSLY DIFFICULT language to learn to begin with! Let alone accents.'''
It's a joke, right? You cannot think that for real... probably the easiest language that can be learn...
And I say it as a French that learned German, Japanese, Italian, Spanish and English.
"cannot manage to learn to speak without and accent"
And you can't write English without mistakes.
You are a xenophobic moron, and you represent what's wrong with this great country
sharehis accent is his trade mark
shareWould anyone really like Arnold not having an accent? It is one of his great trademarks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kayFrIR-Qfw&feature=player_detailpage#t=67s
You will shed tears of scarlet
I'm going to guess before watching that that it's the deleted scene from "Terminator 3". If not, I'll be back to edit my post with the link. Let's put it this way, Schwarzenegger with a distinctly american accent will never come off as anything but hilarious. lol
**edit**Yep, it was. Thanks for the lulz.
Damn, if you ain't so sweet, you make sugar taste like salt.-Stuntman Mike("Death Proof")
No, I really would not like to see Arnie without an accent BUT, as I pointed after 40 years he should be *Practicing* his "Arnie" accent.
shareIt is odd that he hasn't lost his accent after living in an English-speaking environment for such a long time but he wouldn't be Arnie without it. Maybe he just puts it on these days.
shareI think he speaks just fine. I can understand what he's saying; that's all it counts.
shareArnold is Arnold because of his movies and his accent! I wouldn`t like it if he suddenly switched over to perfect english. I`d wonder, where did good old Arnold go?
So leave his accent the heck alone!
If you wish to be moved: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TBd-UCwVAY&feature=share
Thats his thing. Its awesome that he still retains his accent even after so many years. There are so many english actors in hollywood who have have done more roles in american accent than their own, they can only wish they had the screen presence and charisma of Arnie that roles would created around the accent just so they could be in the movie. Apart from the movie, he has nailed hollywood like no one else
Don’t judge me based on your ignorance
That was English. His accent is part of his charm. And, yes, definitely in the top three!
"It's not my fault!"
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Sherriff Owens stopped Escobar on the bridge because he was "giving immigrants a bad name." lol
I asked this question once about Dolph Lundgren, after hearing him as a child of course in Rocky 4 and Masters of the Universe, then a couple years later sounding pretty much American, here's the discussion on it, it cues into Arnold:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000185/board/thread/204678675?d=204678675#204678675
actually Americans all have accent as well
because British are the ones who speak English in its purest form
so having north american accent is a distorted version of speaking english as well similar to arnold's austrian/german accent
True :)
shareBrits got accents too. All depends on where you are in britain ;)
Anyways to the guy who says he speaks Russian perfectly after having learned it at age 20. I gurantee that you do have an accent. It could be that only russians are able pick up on it though. I am Danish and I consider myself pretty decent when it comes to English, but I definitely got an accent that I cannot shake. I know how the words are supposed to be pronounced, but they just come out slightly different despite it. It is like a signature. I am sure you could change it gradually if you really worked hard at it with a teacher, but what is the point ;)
Sorry bud, I believe (from my Brit lit class) that folks from Britain used to speak with a flat tone like Americans. Overtime they developed their accents (chavs And whatnot)
Edit: source also dictated that the accent caught on when the upper echelon of society (the rich folks) decided that the accent was a mark of someone with money. If someone could find this source, please do. I'm a lazy *beep*
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actually the american english is much closer to the original english than the british is.
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