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The ending seems obvious, I don't see why nobody got it...


I thought it was quite obvious...

At the end, when both Rhondas meet, it proves the theory of desynchronization of both Earths, that they are not the same anymore since the 4 years earlier...

While Rhonda 1 gives John 1 her ticket, Rhonda 2 keeps hers, and then goes and meets herself in Earth 1 (for whatever reasons, curiosity to see herself, whatever), but I don't think there's any mystery here...

Just don't get all the fuss about the ending...

"LIVE LONG AND PROSPER"

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I agree with everything you've said, but I extrapolated a bit further.

If both Rhondas won a seat on the spacecraft, that means (naturally) both entered the contest.

Rhonda (1) entered the contest because her life was in ruins after the accident.

Ergo, it seems probable that Rhonda 2 entered for the same reason.

Hence, both Rhondas were in a terrible, fatal accident. The only thing that is clearly different is that Rhonda 2 never offered her seat to John 2 (or possibly she did, but John 2 didn't accept).

Ergo, John 1's trip was for nothing: Earth 1 now has 2 Rhondas, Earth 2 has 2 Johns, and neither Earth has a living copy of John's son or wife.

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But in that case, the de-synchronization of the Earths did not take place at the moment of first contact, per the "broken mirror" hypothesis.

The answer that works is that on the Other Earth, the accident happened but was not as bad, and everyone survived. Rhoda 2 is charged with driving to endanger and gets probation and goes to M.I.T. She has a natural scientific interest in the planet, and wins the contest after she writes an essay about her life was almost changed the night the planets first made contact.

In this version, both characters get to find out about the "might have been," which is very satisfying.

Prepare your minds for a new scale of physical, scientific values, gentlemen.

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that doesnt make sense. the probabilities of her winning the contest because it almost changed her life are almost zero. both of them won the contest with the same essay. just one of the didnt offer the seat to john.

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She might not have gotten to Earth 1 via the contest at all. If she had gone to MIT, she might have gone to Earth 1 as part of a scientific/space thing instead.

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I agree. That seems a more logical reason why she is on the flight to Earth 1.

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Something I noticed was how different the two Rhodas looked. Rhoda 1 was scrubby throughout the whole movie, but Rhoda 2 looked cleaned up, proper, professional. I took that to mean that she had indeed gone to MIT after all.

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That is the impression I got. They went out of their way to make Rhoda 2 look more dressed up, which I assumed to mean that Rhoda 2 had not ruined her life and had gone on to college and became successful.

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Yea it seems that maybe Rhonda 2 was more depressed than Rhonda 1 despite her cleaner appearance, possible success, continued eduction, possibility of no disaster. A lot of people may have missed the beginning when Rhonda 1 had the space stuff on her walls and she took it all down or whatever. She clearly didn't get the life she wanted, yet made the best of it... Rhonda 2 got the life she wanted, yet decided to fly to Earth 1 to get away from her home.

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Something I noticed was how different the two Rhodas looked. Rhoda 1 was scrubby throughout the whole movie, but Rhoda 2 looked cleaned up, proper, professional. I took that to mean that she had indeed gone to MIT after all.

That was what I took from the ending, too. Rhoda 2 looked like she was successful in life, which means she didn't go to jail, which means there was no accident on Earth 2, which means that John 1 got to see "his" family again. Hooray!

How did Rhoda 2 get a ticket to Earth 1 if she didn't have a sob story to tell? Presumably her work as an astrophysicist at MIT got her on the trip. It would be crazy if they didn't send a scientist or two along with all the tourists. John 1 may have sought her out on Earth 2 to tell her what happened to Rhoda 1, which made her all the more determined to go and visit her unfortunate double.

Of course, Rhoda 2 would be dressed better than Rhoda 1 anyway if she'd just arrived by spaceship, so there's room for doubt in this theory.



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"Not as bad"? So what? Does everything happen THE SAME WAY on both Earths or doesn't? If Earth 2 is a mirror image, everything should happen the same way.

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No it doesn't mean that both Rhonda's enter the contest. Rhonda 2 could be an astronaut

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Becoming an astronaut - the normal way - takes decades. The two earths would have to have diverged much, much longer ago for that to happen.

Spheroid = sphere shaped
Humanoid = human shaped
Factoid = fact shaped?

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On Earth 1 happens the accident but because of the de-synchronization we don't know if it happened on Earth 2 too, so John goes up and he find his family happy and healthy so he is happy too, and then he goes to Rhoda 2 and tell her the whole story and send her down to Earth 1 and like this Rhoda 1 gets to know that he is happy so she will be happy too.

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I too, thought that as soon as I saw Rhoda 2 - that a "de-synchronization" had occurred. I immediately thought/felt (because I was surprised by how certain I feel this) that the accident had not happened on Earth 2. That John's family had not perished & he got to see his wife & children again. I think he sought out Rhoda 2 & told her what had happened on his Earth, & how tormented Rhoda 1 was. I think that Rhoda 2 got to fulfill her dream of being an astrophysicist & most probably would have tried to come to the 'other Earth' out of curiosity, but w/ this added knowledge, came to comfort (redeem) Rhoda 1.

I also thought of how John 1's presence on Earth 2 would affect his whole family; John 2, the children, & his wife. Would she love both men? Would John stay just to see his children grow & be near them? Would he find another woman to love & would he have his other self & family as an extended family? Would he want to return to Earth 1? I have a strong feeling he felt compassion for Rhoda 1, now that time had passed, he put the accident in perspective, & he realized the great, and only, gift Rhoda 1 could give him. I think he explained all of this to Rhoda 2 and asked her to give Rhoda 1 that message.

I really like this film. It's clearly a low budget movie, but shows again, that only a compelling plot and interesting characters are really needed, not a lot of expensive special effects. I like the ambiguity of the ending (we're all talking about it) & it sets up a sequel nicely. I would love to know what happens to the characters in the future. The film brings up so many philosophical questions. But, I do think it's over-simplified; there's no way a planet would just appear so close to Earth & not wreak havoc on the gravity - even if it just appeared through a wormhole (black hole) in the universe, or another dimension. Again...it leads to so many questions/discussions! Love it!

(The other thing that REALLY disturbed me was Purdeep's action. I know it's meant as a parable, but he's a 'real' person/character is this reality. To pour bleach into his eyes & ears was so deeply disturbing to me. I would have understood suicide more, but I guess he needed to punish himself, as well as render himself more numb. Of course, we see that he may be deteriorating & suffering from dementia, as when he loses control & urinates on the floor of the school's hallway, & as Rhoda wipes the floor, he tells her to "clear her mind". This should be on another thread...) We could talk about so many good, complex questions this movie raises...that's what makes it such a success.

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John goes up and he find his family happy and healthy so he is happy too, and then he goes to Rhoda 2 and tell her the whole story and send her down to Earth 1


This is what I also figured, it seemed that enough time had passed for this to have occurred.

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How could this be if it takes exactly 4 months to make the transit? Rhoda1 saw John1 on TV as he was about to leave for Earth2. Then we see the meeting of Rhoda1 and Rhoda2 immediately after the "4 months later" part, which would mean Rhoda2 had no contact with John1 for they would have passed each other in transit between the two Earths. It would have taken Rhoda2 the same amount of time for John1 to make the transit. Hence, the moment we see Rhoda1 and Rhoda2 meet, John1 would have just completed (relatively speaking) the transit in the same amount of time it took Rhoda2 to complete the transit. This would not have given the two of them the time to meet, discuss, and personify the situation leading to John1 sending Rhoda2 to Earth1 to meet Rhoda1.

Oh man that's convoluted, but the transit time has not been appropriately acknowledged in this thread, IMO.

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You know, I think your answer makes the most sense.

No one mentions that its Four Months later... that would account for John 1 to see what happens to his family, and for whatever reason decides to stay...but also time to earn the trust of Rhoda 2 to convince her of the need to visit Rhoda 1.

Because of the time difference I dont think "winning the contest/ticket" issues matter... the de-synchronization makes up for most difficulties.... but remember what Rhoda 1 spelled out to her blind/deaf freind - forgive. She saw the need for her friend to do so but not herself. Maybe thats what Rhoda 1 could learn from Rhoda 2 - to forgive herself.

Issues about clothing and how Rhoda 2 differs. When Rhoda 1 "dressed up" of course she looked better, but she didnt look sophisticated, classy or sucessful... but I think Rhoda 2 did. For whatever reason Rhoda 2 seems in a better place and possibley came to visit Rhoda 1 to share that.

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norsemanl2, John1 never meets Rhoda2, because she left Earth2 the same time that he left Earth1. Remember, it's 4 months later when the two Rhoda's meet, the amount of time it was to take to travel between the two Earths at their closest points.

Check out 'ccpeck's' version of the two different out-comes of the accident, on another similarly titled thread. Totally makes sense.

"I find your lack of faith, disturbing."

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Did everyone miss the "4th months later" title? At first I wondered why it took 4 months to travel there, but then figured that things must have been non-synchronous.

Assuming that things were different, then ALL bets are off.

Maybe Rhoda won the contest on E2 or was awarded a seat for other reason (brilliant woman so not that improbable... and it IS a movie, not reality), but it took longer for them to prepare and send the shuttle or they waited to see what happened with the E1 shuttle. Maybe there was no contest at all on E2 and Rhoda found some why to weasel a trip onto a shuttle. She's smart and, again, this is a movie so the improbable becomes a plot twist.

My wife's reaction was occam's razor-like: She figured John gave her doppelgänger his return seat since he decided to stay on Earth 2. Either since the accident killed only him there and not his family or for a less "nicely wrapped" reason such as he forgave her and wanted to give her a shot at a redo as well.

All that being said, I find it funny that we can be discussing how long it takes to become an astronaut in a movie that disregards science so entirely.

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I give up, seeing endings and double meanings in everything I see. A film that was yes ok to watch but had no deeper meaning. Just very impressed that it was well directed and acted.

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OMG,

You are all just reading too much out of it, They didn't put Rhonda2 in the final frames to make us think how she won the contest or how she end up in Earth1, Rhonda2 was putted there just to let us(the viewers) know that indeed things happened differently in Earth2, thats all!

Besides, If things would had happen in the same way, she wouldn't be there simply because both John's would have taken the ticket, thats what a mirror its all about if on Earth1 John accepts the Ticket in Earth2 has to happen the same way, because it's a MIRROR!!!

So, just stop over thinking, Rhonda2 was included just to let us know,that the mirror was broken the second the Earth's saw each other, that indeed things were different, without prolonging the movie too much, thats all!

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Maybe the accident did happen on Earth 2 but John only died.

"Tickets Please..."

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That's what I think happened too.

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No necessarily. She was interested obviously in astronomy even before the "desynchronization". That is what got her into the accident in the first place...

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The accident just probably didn't happen on Earth 2.
There are quite enough hints at that. Remember what she hears on the TV - it is quite literal actually "somebody looks in a slightly different direction and it changes everything"

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Rhoda 2 could have traded with someone, or won via another type of contest. OR she actually went to school and because of her training she might have been valuable in a sort of reconnaissance/scientific expedition and not have had to enter at all and gone to Earth 1 as part of that. Her clothing was much better than Rhoda 1's, so that might have been a visual cue to signal that it was the latter.

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Rhonda 2 did not have to be in a fatal accident to enter the contest. She was an MIT student and was a scifi and astronomy fan, as Rhonda 2. Her clothes show that her life went fairly well. Just saying :)

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Maybe John 2 died in the accident. Maybe nobody did but it still left her changed and that won her the contest. Just because they meet doesn't mean they had the same life in those 4 years. It just means that they end up at the same place.

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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"Rhonda (1) entered the contest because her life was in ruins after the accident.

Ergo, it seems probable that Rhonda 2 entered for the same reason."


I agree with all except for this bit. Both Rhondas seem to be interested in this new Earth - the very fact that she has the accident to begin with is because she is fixated by looking at the other planet. Surely then, it's possible that even a Rhonda that did not have a car crash would still enter the competition and write some other compelling reason why she should get to go to space? When I saw the ending I assumed that Rhonda 1 felt indebted to John and let him have her ticket whereas Rhonda 2 went of her own accord?

I am really enjoying these posts by the way and love the idea of following the moon waxing and waning throughout the film as a clue...
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"No time for the old in-out,love-I'm just here to check the metre"

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She was an avid science and astronomy geek pre-crash and thus pre-desychronisation and therefore Rhoda 2 could have easily have entered the competition just because of that and not because she crashed. Plus Rhoda 2 was smartly dressed whereas Rhoda 1 was usually not very smartly dressed after the crash alluding to the fact that Rhoda 2 did not crash.

I think the point is that there is no right or wrong answer, the film was left ambiguous on purpose i suppose.

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The ending is very abrupt; and we are certainly free to imagine many different scenarios that could have led up to that final moment - some happy, some grim.

And I can certainly understand the desire to imagine an uplifting ending, as an antidote to all the sorrow and despair found in the rest of the film.

However, I think that if we go strictly by what the film shows us - and include as little as possible from our own wishes and imaginings - the most sensible interpretation is that Rhoda 2's life mirrored Rhoda 1's life in nearly every respect, differing only by John 2 not accepting Rhoda 2's offer of her seat on the space flight.



An interesting thing about this film is that your interpretation of that final scene can transform the meaning of the whole story - an uplifting ending makes it a tale of hope with the possibility of redemption, while the grim ending makes it a Twilight-Zone-esque morality tale about the futility of trying to escape your fate.

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My take is that on Earth 2, John 2 might have died in the accident also, so Rhonda 2 goes to Earth 1 to check if things are different there (maybe nobody got killed) so she could have some piece of mind.

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okay i saw it differntly.

I think the contest was only in earth 1.
And that john 1 went and decided not to go back to be with his family.
so she told roada 2 to go in his place.

And that whole desynchronization was right.

I may be wrong though....but thats how i saw it.

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Interesting; so you're thinking that Rhoda 2 came to Earth 1 -- when the Earth 1 spaceship returned to Earth 1.

I hadn't thought of that; but then again, no mention was made in the film of the Earth 1 ship having ANY plans to come back.

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On Earth #2 the accident didn't happen so Rhoda #2 became the kickass astronomer-physicist-whatnot she was destined to be and joined the crew out of scientific reasons. That's why SHE looked so shocked.

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pretty farfetched that both rhoda's would win the ticket for two different reasons.

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I agree with KennyOMG. In that line of thinking, Rhoda2 didn't win the ticket at all but had a legitimate, scientific place on the crew.

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In the broken mirror situation, Rhoda 2 did not have to "win" the ticket. The accident never happened because she looked in time to avoid it. Rhoda 2 went on to be a talented MIT graduate and therefore was invited/allowed to go on a trip to Earth 1. That's why she looked good, healthy, happy. She had not ruined her life on Earth 2.

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Oh come on! If Earth 2 was so like Earth 1, they'd still only be sending one amateur person from the whole world's population. No matter how successful she was at MIT, she was 1 in 6 billion (and reckless enough to drive drunk like that? Not likely to succeed that far anyway). And these days, it's only private enterprises that plan to return to space, and Russia, China, and India beyond that... not NASA with the budget cuts that had happened years before AE was even written.
I'm more interested in why beyond that first contact with the SETI lady, there was no more news about interaction. They did it once but couldn't replicate contact? And the first time they tried they did it on live TV and it worked? We never hear about Earth 2 having a contest, but we never hear anything more about Earth 2. Just philosophical speculation and scientific theory.
And all the stuff about John 1 talking to Rhoda 2, I don't think so. I think he'd find his family alive and be horribly jealous to see his clone with the family he misses dearly, or the same sad John 2. I mean, if Rhoda's such a science buff, you'd think she'd be at a party where the Earth 2 info is released. She heard it live, meaning the mirror had just been cracked. She's still drunk and speeding down the road, and John's family on Earth 2 is still NOT listening to the radio announcement.
I'll be back for more discussion later.

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Pretty farfetched that there would be Another Earth in the sky and our world wouldn't be destroyed by gravity-induced tsunamis. It's pretty farfetched that there would be a contest with tickets to the other earth, and it's equally farfetched that Rhoda, out of presumably millions, would win, especially considering it's not PR savvy to give tickets to convicts who've accidentally killed two people.

It's a movie. Everything is farfetched. And Rhoda is the protagonist; it would make sense from a thematic point of view to juxtapose the Rhoda that Rhoda wanted to be, the space explorer and awesome, well dressed MIT graduate, with Rhoda 1.

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This is the way I interpreted the ending.

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I thought the ending was more like: John goes to Earth 2 (where his family is still alive, since both earths parallel timeline were disruppted the moment you could see it in the sky) and finds Rhoda 2 and sends her back to Earth 1 to show Rhoda 1 that there's hope and also that he forgives her... something like that.

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That's what I got out of it too.
The "desynching" theory was correct. Earth2 Rhoda avoided the accident and came to Earth1 to comfort Rhoda1. This happened because John1 went to Earth2 and told her what had happnened to Earth's1 Rhoda.

If there was no accident, then there was no Earth2 "contest" peeps...can't have one and not the other.

Rhoda2 coming to Earth falls in line with the movie's theme of compassion and forgiveness.
The thing was at that point, though, Rhoda was actually beginning to live her life again. She was going to be ok. Seeing Rhoda2 put a spin on the whole movie, but it really wasn't needed for her character's redemption.


You can run with happened to John though. Did the fact that Rhoda only saw Rhoda2 mean that John didn't return? Did he stay with his family and his other self (kinda weird), did he make a new life for himself there-- not "with" his family but at least on the same planet as them, or did he come back to Earth1 too?

At any rate, I loved the movie. I kept wondering how Rhoda was ever going to really make it as right as she could with John, and giving him that ticket when it seemed to her that leaving Earth would be only way she could go on living was the only thing she could have done; and she did it.

One "unforgivable" act followed by one truly selfless act.




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see my thread...right below yours


I agree with you...that part IS obvious.... the thing that we should point out is the fact that the Rhondas meeting imply that there was no big accident on earth 2. Things were different.

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This. Rhonda 2 appears all dressed up in contrast of Rhonda 1 to clearly show she continued with her life we saw in the beginning and the accident event never happened.

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Interesting to see how differently the ending is interpreted, and how complicated some people seem to make it.

My theory is this:

Based on the fact that Rhoda 2 is dressed much nicer than Rhoda 1, I believe she never had an accident on Earth 2. She went to college and became either a genius astronomer, a billionaire or both (yes, in like 5 years :). Remember the "Richard Branson"-guy telling Rhoda 1 on the phone that the difference between going to prison and becoming a billionaire was a fine line - well that fine line is what separates Earth 1 and Earth 2.

So in the end John 1 goes to Earth 2. Meanwhile on Earth 2, Rhoda 2 (the genius/billionaire) is participating in an identical space travel experiment to go to Earth 1.


Another thing pointing towards there being no accident on Earth 2 is the fact that it is night on Earth 1 when the accident occurs. Therefor, Rhoda 2 would not be able to look up at Earth 1 while driving, because it wouldn't be visible at that moment... but then again, there could just be a delay of 12 hours, in which case this whole case crumbles.


UPDATE (5 months later):
Hey, I just had a epiphany, revisiting this thread! Although I don't remember all the details of the movie, what if the reason that John 1 and Rhonda 2 end up going is this - they are both dissatisfied with the lives they are living, and the trip to the other Earth is just a metaphor for not being happy, and wanting something else? We get the feeling that Rhonda 2 has had better luck in her life than Rhonda 1 mostly based on her clothing. But who wouldn't dress up when visiting another planet? I know I would. She might be really lost on Earth 2, even compared to Rhonda 1 back on Earth 1. Maybe the accident she had on Earth 1 was really a blessing in disguise, and had that not happened she would have been worse off the rest of her life. That might actually be the essence of the movie - things happen, and they might benefit you in the long run even if they are really bad initially. Then again, that would be a super selfish point to make, considering she did cause the premature death of a woman and a child... doh!

Oh, another theory of mine is that we can never be sure what planet the movie is actually portraying! Earth 1 & 2 could actually be identical, which means that some scenes could be from Earth 1, others from Earth 2... right? We can never be sure that it's actually Rhonda 2 visiting Earth 1 in the end, might just as well be Rhonda 1 visiting Earth 2. The only thing we can be sure separates the two is the fact that on one of the planets it's John who leaves, and on the other one it's Rhonda.

If the two planets are not identical, I would love to see the sequel which shows everything from the other Earths perspective...

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"My theory is this:

Based on the fact that Rhoda 2 is dressed much nicer than Rhoda 1, I believe she never had an accident on Earth 2. She went to college and became either a genius astronomer, a billionaire or both (yes, in like 5 years :). Remember the "Richard Branson"-guy telling Rhoda 1 on the phone that the difference between going to prison and becoming a billionaire was a fine line - well that fine line is what separates Earth 1 and Earth 2.

So in the end John 1 goes to Earth 2. Meanwhile on Earth 2, Rhoda 2 (the genius/billionaire) is participating in an identical space travel experiment to go to Earth 1. "

Yes, BadCash, that is the same conclusion I came to at the end of the movie. I think the conversation she has with the Richard Branson person when she won confirms this.


Whether I'm just not funny or you just don't have a sense of humor is up for interpretation.

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Nicer - but "much" nicer?

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa58/beady_el/Rhoda%202/R2b.png

Perhaps clothing is just something that men - like myself - just don't see the same way, but personally I don't see a heck of a lot to go on.

Rhoda 2 is wearing:

A dark, knee-length coat
Dark pants or maybe leggings
Brown leather boots
Some sort of light colored shirt is visible at her neckline.

She's neatly, but not extravagantly, dressed. To me, there's nothing in her appearance that screams either "MIT Grad" or "Ex-Con".

Am I missing something?

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I think that the stories on earth 1 and 2 are very different, If not, the movie would make no sense, at all...

But don't miss the point there, by searching "How" or "Why" things did or didn't happened on the other earth.

I'm pretty sure that Rhoda 2 come on Earth 1 to "forgive herself" since Rhoda 1 will never be able to do it, I think that's the more important point, and it does make sense for the whole movie, no ?

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She looks pretty well put together, and I think that's the main point people are talking about.

I think the fact that she's color coordinated and wearing those boots at all - it takes confidence to wear heeled boots! - is indicative of her being majorly different. She's not EXTRAVAGANTLY dressed, but there's a marked contrast between her and Rhoda 1. Obviously this film couldn't afford much, but I think it's pretty clear that they were going for something with such a clear contrast.

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based on the fact that Rhoda 2 is dressed much nicer than Rhoda 1, I believe she never had an accident on Earth 2. She went to college and became either a genius astronomer,


I'm sure Rhoda 1 would've dressed nicer too if she took the trip to meet herself.

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See, here's the thing about ambiguous endings: everybody is free to interpret them however they'd like. There is no right or wrong answer, hence the term 'ambiguous.' Therefore, nothing is actually obvious about the ending, and people can fuss about it as much as they'd like. That's the sort of fun of these endings, anyway -- to share your theory and to read others.

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'I was very shocked when my son told me his boyfriend was a homosexual.'

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