the supposed sloppy writing
Maybe it's not sloppy. Maybe it's making it so Dexter is sloppy and finally gets caught. The way he left Elrick's body?
shareMaybe it's not sloppy. Maybe it's making it so Dexter is sloppy and finally gets caught. The way he left Elrick's body?
shareNah, it's sloppy. Do we know how Curt made the leap from a screw to Dexter being the killer of his son? And if he wanted Dexter to witness Harrison's death, why didn't he wait until his guy had already gotten there before beginning his ritual with the ski mask and rifle? And why didn't the coroner notice the injection site on the dead dealer's neck? Despite being a shorter episode, last night seemed to drag on with a trope filled unfolding that didn't remind me of what this show once was.
shareThe screw was a platinum medical screw from his son's body, found at a place where he deduced Dexter had been the night he picked up Kurt. So quite plausible.
shareYes, I mentioned the screw already. But there's a leap from finding a screw to thinking that Dexter is certainly the one. Why couldn't some of the Native American population be responsible? Before Dexter dug up Matt's body, Curt thought they might've been the culprits. So, he didn't think it was merely plausible, but rather acted as though he had concrete knowledge that Dexter did it. How? Someone burned my son's body ---> Dexter surely did it, is a leap. Considering that Matt's an outward jerk, there'd be many plausible culprits in town who did him in and got rid of the body at that location. The idea that Curt had this doubtless attitude about it is silly. Another person could've driven by a minute before he walked out of the bar or a minute later -- or, more logically, the culprit might've avoided driving past the popular bar altogether.
shareWell, you are right that this show was lazily written.
shareKurt already had his suspicions of Dexter when Dexter let out what he knew about Matt's boating incident. Ashes falling from the sky is definitely unusual so I can see Kurt checking out the incinerator to see what was being burned and then finding the screws. Dexter slipping up and revealing info to Kurt about Matt's boating accident + Finding Matt's surgical screws + Dexter driving from the direction of the incinerator that night + Matt's murder taking place right near Dexter's home = enough for a serial killer such as Kurt to realize it may be Dexter. Also, Dexter appearing out of nowhere at Kurt's cabin to save Molly is suspicious behavior enough for Kurt to zero in on him.
Who knows? Maybe there could have been a hunting or cctv camera nearby, and one of Kurt's friends shared the info with him that Dexter was there that night. Kurt goes to check out the ashes, and bam! He finds the screws!
Granted He could just be trying to get Dexter to nibble based off of a hunch after he found the screw. He doesn’t seem to know for sure that Dexter did it, he’s just angry that Dexter barged in and stopped his kill on Molly so he started wondering.
That's fine, but again, like the other person, you say "may be Dexter". Plausibility and suspicion is a far cry from acting as he did. He sent him the screw as an "Hah, I know it's you." That's his confidence level. Also, most of the other "suspicious" activities would not suggest that he murdered Matt. Why would Dexter rush into Matt's room to prove that he wasn't there? All of "Jim's" antics, while weird, wouldn't inspire a theory that he's the killer. Why would the killer want to prove that Matt isn't in the room? Who cares about the boating accident stuff? Some guy from town knows about Matt's incident so he kills him? Look at how "Jim" is depicted in this town. Why couldn't it be one of Matt's "friends" who resent him and also know about the boat? If it were any of the other things you're mentioning (cctv, hunting), you could include it in the show. But if left out, b/c you can't think of a better way to get to a twist reveal that Curt knows, then that's lazy/sloppy writing. Also, we have a much more concrete thought, the dead deer, the blood, the image of a guy with a rifle in the woods, all much more suggestive of someone like the Native Americans that were initially suspected. They fall off the list in favor of Jim b/c of an incinerator that anyone in town could've used to dispose of a body, including those Native Americans? If we didn't know Dexter, would you think for sure he did it? Enough to send him the screw? Dexter knows about the boating accident, so he goes out in the woods with a rifle hoping to run into Matt? Remember, Matt's gone b/c of coincidence that morning. Dexter didn't hunt him.
shareWell if you really need something else, maybe there will be a reveal about the drone Kurt gave to Harrison? I betcha that's it!
shareSo he comes to SAVE someone and PROVE that the person HE KILLED ISN'T alive and well in that room. Makes sense? Right? Wrong. You know that Dexter isn't the typical serial killer. Curt doesn't. Curt has a screw and a hunch that ridiculously locks down on a guy who's desperate to prove that Curt is lying about said guy's own VICTIM being alive. A serial killer would agree with Curt that Matt's fine, but instead he keeps challenging it. Aha! He must the killer then. B/c a killer will always try to prove that his victim ISN'T really alive. Gotcha!
Edit: The reply above is to what you first said, before you cut nearly all of it out after the fact.
Keep your panties on...you'll find out about the drone thing when Kurt is on the cutting board. Also, keep in mind that the more the writers can get people talking on these forums about Dexter, the more money they make. So, if you want to call that "lazy" writing, I'm sure they don't care! lolol
shareYeah, MovieChat really moves the needle. So many members, talking so much. Absurd. It's a tiny fraction of what imdb used to be. Most don't know this place exists. But maybe you'll edit this post to pretend like you never mentioned it, you know, like the other dumb reply that you took down.
And who cares about a drone? It's so sloppy that Dexter himself isn't puzzled by how Curt is certain that he's the killer. If he was surprised, a later reveal might work, but he didn't question it at all. More lazy writing.
Meanwhile there's a ton of other sites talking about this very topic. Just google this:
how did Kurt know dexter
Reddit has a ton of threads, and there's a shitload of videos on youtube with thousands and thousands of views that discuss almost every nuance of every episode. If you can tease your audience a bit, and get a buzz going, it's only good for ratings. Someone sees that video in their related feed, and bam, you just snagged another viewer. Meanwhile if there were no controversy or things to talk about, you get less videos posts, etc, and therefore snag less newcomers. Remember, any publicity is good publicity. That's marketing 101! So, the more you type in here with your "concerns" about their abilities, the more money you're making them. It's like you're working for them right now! Surprise Muthafucker!! (Doakes reference).
Dexter isn't concerned with the "how" right now. He knows he's been caught "somehow", and needs to start cleaning up his mess!
Yeah, so a bunch of other sites are questioning something that Dexter himself isn't questioning. Great publicity. People pointing out holes in writing does wonders for a show's rep. Just ask the showrunners for the final season of Game of Thrones. Or better yet, just look at this show. This "New Blood" was supposed to give a better ending than the shitty writing from the finale years ago. Maybe they'll re-revive it to make up for the bad writing for this one, huh? "Dexter: Newer Blood. We tried harder this time!"
shareDexter is not always giving us a complete "stream of consciousness". When he gets done talking with Kurt in the jail, and comes back to his truck he narrates this "he knows", meaning "Kurt knows". It is implicit that he is scrambling in his head to figure out "how" Kurt could be so sure, but at the time it doesn't really matter in the big picture of things, so he changes his focus. Figuring out the "how" is not really relevant, and Dexter is a not going to open up an investigation of exactly how Kurt pieced it all together. What good would that do? Even if Kurt is only bluffing, Dexter now at the very least Kurt's prime suspect. Focusing for the "how" would be a complete waste of his time at this point. He needs to figure out how to get Kurt off his back, and fast!
shareI know! He should've brought his syringe to the holding cell, jab Curt, Curt dies, and a conveniently lax coroner will surely miss it! End of season!
And you didn't reply to that silly ritual Curt has to "reenact" with such precision. But there are a couple of problems with it though. Why the ski mask? Or is that just put in there to obscure Curt's face for the audience b/c they can't think of anything better to hide his identity. The original incident doesn't involve a ski mask, so why else does he need one? Now let's get to him doing the same thing with Harrison. Remember he's enraged when he has to shoot that busty girl in the face, b/c it doesn't match the ritual, yet he suddenly decides that it doesn't have to be a runaway girl like ALL the others?? Instead, I'll reenact it with Harrison?!?! He aint a runaway girl. Now the son of local will do?!?! I thought it had to match??? Silly. Stupid. And of course, he doesn't even wait until a supposedly bound Dexter to arrive to witness it. For the sake of the plot, his ritual drastically changes in this one instance. Coming out from the back in a ski mask was ridiculous. No reason for him to wear it except to match the earlier silliness that was needed to hide the actor's face to add mystery. Maybe he should've given Harrison a wig and stuffed bra to put on first, huh?
Actually Harrison was about to "runaway" when Kurt offered him the job. So, yeah he fits the bill just fine. Did you forget that he also wants revenge for Dexter killing his son? Yeah, there's a bit of motive there too don't ya think? Ever hear of an eye for an eye? Perhaps Kurt is re-enacting what (perhaps) his father did when he killed the first runaway. Maybe Kurt is messed up in the head, and wants to be like his father or some shit. It doesn't really matter "why" Kurt does this, he's a fucked up serial killer wacko, am I right? Anybody home in there McFly? :-)
Hahaha! Ya know what Marty?! I can't believe you don't see these obvious things. At this point, I'm starting to suspect you actually work for the studio, and are out here trying to create more threads and talk about the show!
Yeah, motive to kill Harrison. But wait, let me put on my ski mask, and get my laser sighted rifle, b/c I'm suddenly fine with a half-assed reenactment, after I tried to put the face back together of the last girl I shot, b/c she ruined it by facing me. Yeah, makes sense.
And it wasn't Curt's father, you buffoon. It was Curt himself. He was lying. Iris got killed 25 years earlier. The young trucker is Curt himself. You pretend others aren't paying attention, yet you bought Curt's story even though they showed you him doing it. No wonder you can't see bad writing. You can't see at all. Lol.
How do you know for sure? Maybe Kurt's father actually did the first murder? Maybe Kurt was there, and his father was showing him the ritual? The audience is not made aware 100% that Kurt's story doesn't hold some truth. I just took another leap of logic, and speculated that his father was also a murderer. That "sometimes the sins of a father" quote would have even more impact! Unlike you, that is how my mind works. I don't discount imaginative possibilities like that!
There's no "leap of logic". Now, not only are you filling in gaps to make everything fit, you're actually revising what's been shown. They show you what really happened while Curt is lying, get it, genius?
shareYou have no way of knowing if my theory is correct. Kurt was narrating a "story for the cops", and that was what was shown on the screen. It was not necessarily a flash back. You can't even spell Kurt right, so shows how much you know!! haha Anyhow, I know you're gig now, go collect your banner ad paycheck from moviechat, you're exposed "Marty"! hahaha!!
shareYeah, or maybe they're all aliens from the dark side of Pluto! You can't prove they're not! Duuuh
shareSo lazy writing is actually a good thing?
You're weird.
Well keep in mind that the more the writers can get people talking on these forums about Dexter, the more money they make. So, if you want to call that "lazy" writing, I'm sure they don't care! Don't you realize if they can get more money and ratings that is a "good thing" to them?
If you can tease your audience a bit, and get a buzz going, it's only good for ratings. Someone sees that video in their related feed, and bam, you just snagged another viewer. Meanwhile if there were no controversy or things to talk about, you get less videos posts, etc, and therefore snag less newcomers. Remember, any publicity is good publicity. That's marketing 101! So, the more you type in here with your "concerns" about their abilities, the more money you're making them. It's like you're working for them right now! Surprise Muthafucker!! (Doakes reference).
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Kurt finds a screw and thinks, "Oh, it must be Jim!" Angela meets Angel - a big enough leap - now thinks Dexter is a serial killer. That's sloppy as hell. Waaaay too easy for her.
shareYeah, i'm sure that seeing those needle marks on two victims' necks, and one victim even saying that Jim "jabbed" him with a needle and only actually started throwing punches when the cops pulled up had nothing to do with Angela closing in on Dexter huh?
Ugh, pay attention much? Are you watching the show on your phone or something? Maybe you should lay off the bong hits too.
You mean the needle mark that a CORONER missed. The expert in cause of death didn't see an injection site on the neck of a drug dealer suspected of an OD. Brilliant writing.
shareRemember you're talking about a small town with limited resources and training. The coroner could be a drunk idiot for all we know.
shareYeah, "for all we know" and "somehow" -- b/c none of it is actually written into the show to make the logic work.
Aren't you tired of making excuses for this slop?
Realizing that police forces and especially coroners and "blood specialists" are not as good in small towns was addressed. Remember when Angela said that she didn't need "Jim" to help her at the cave, and that she wanted "Dexter Morgan", forensics expert instead? Yeah, that's a hint right there bud; The town isn't Miami, and there's not a ton of great resources there. The coroner could be an ex-basketball ball coach that took a few classes, and got certified at University of Phoenix for all we know. Even if the writing doesn't completely go into the coroner's whole story, it can easily be inferred that small towns have absolute shit for resources like that. Why would some hot shot expert even stay in a small town like that? Nope, they'd be going for the big bucks to pay off all those student loans. Use your imagination. Much of enjoying film is using suspension of disbelief, and using deduction though creative thought. Do you think Sherlock Holmes requires everything to be handed to him on silver platter to figure out the mystery? No!! It's elementary my dear Watson! :-)
shareYeah, you need a big city forensics guy to notice the hickey Angela instantly sees by turning his head. It's exactly the type of thing any coroner would be looking for in a drug death.
And suspension of disbelief doesn't apply to simply anything that doesn't pass logical muster. This is a key plot point, and it's not a fantasy show. When others here question how Harrison gets around town, I don't call out the writers b/c that's minutia. I don't care if he walked, hitched or took the bus to account for his mobility in a rural town. Why? It doesn't matter. Explanation not required. But if Harrison was suspected to have murdered someone on the other side of town, and you needed to account for time, then such things would matter, and you wouldn't suspend your disbelief.
So you really think small towns all have top notch people? That's a bit silly Marty, and I don't believe you believe that.
Angela knew to look for the injection mark b/c she just saw one on the dealer's buddy! The coroner may have passed it off as just another junkie with a needle mark! I mean who's to say a drug dealer wouldn't get high and shoot himself with a needle? Why would that be something the coroner would even consider in an OD case like that with someone who took and dealt drugs? Where's the cause to suspect foul play in a case like that for him?
Like I said, you're "points" don't make sense, and I am starting to realize you're likely working for the marketing of the Dexter studio to get people talking about the show.
Resorting to trolling, b/c your initial defense was blown to bits, is a bad look. You've turned the hole you've dug into a crater.
shareI could flip that back on you, and say you are resorting to calling me a troll simply b/c you cannot battle back what I am saying. Actually, I do not believe you could this stupid Marty. I am now practically convinced you are either working for Dexter studios or even working for moviechat forums to get more clicks and ad revenue generated. The latter being the most likely imo.
shareYeah, I'm working for "Dexter studios". And the person who thought a young trucker was the FATHER of Clancy Brown, who killed Iris 25 years prior, is calling people stupid? Math is hard, huh? Lol.
shareSo you ADMIT IT! Well, that's case closed then. I called it!
Like I said, what was shown on the screen was only a "mock up" of the 'story' Kurt was telling to the police. The real way it went down could have been totally different. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Oh wait, that's right, you're not trying to understand, you're just trying to get me to keep typing, and pushing "refresh" on my browser, and give moviechat another 10 cents in ad revenue!
The case was closed with my first reply, then welded shut with all the others here saying the same thing. Why? B/c we actually watch the show and pay attention. Now go back to Gilligan's Island or something. Maybe you'll catch him finally getting off the island one of these episodes. Lol.
shareThe coroner missed the needle mark on the dead one and the junkie that was still alive didn't tell anyone else besides Angela. Yeah, not convenient at all. The fact that she even connects the two is a joke.
And meeting Angel and finding out Dexter's real name in 15 minutes? Stop.
I see Dexter himself is sloppy now, being rusty from not doing this for so long, but moments like Curt just knowing Dexter done it, the vet just so happens to be busy with an animal and tells Dexter to go ahead and grab whatever. And what do you know theres giant rolls of plastic sitting there too with the drug and needles he needs, when he was getting the stuff to kill the drug dealer, thats the lazy writing.
Its not gonna be revealed later on how Curt knows, Dexter and him are already coming at each other, Dexter at this point likely doesn't give a shit how Curt knows. Curt's little talk at the jail is the only explanation you're gonna get. you can tell that was their big reveal Curt talking about the screws and flashing back to the bar when Dexter picked him up. So yeah sloppy ass writing.
Theres no reason at all Curt should think its Dexter just cause he picked him up outside the bar the night someone's used the incinerator, anyone could've used it, he never saw Dexter coming directly from there, Dexter just pulled at the bar. Thats hardly definitive proof Dexter killed his son cause he was in town the night the incinerator was used.