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Disappointingly xenophobic


Ok I'll be honest, I couldn't watch the whole thing. I got bored and irritated and left the room. I enjoyed the first one in a sort of mindless something entertaining to watch kind of way, but Taken 2 was a big let down. The thing that just got to me was the depictions of Turkey and Muslims, which was silly and covertly (or maybe overtly?) racist.. I don't even remember the kidnappers being Muslim in the first film, but now it's showing them at their Muslimy funeral with the prayers being said and they're declaring revenge etc. Like AS IF these kidnapping brothel running rapists would give a damn about praying and religion. Ok I know that there are a lot of people who act holy and then are secretly doing *beep* and will go along with traditions at funerals and stuff, so that's not unrealistic... but in this film, I felt like it was just building up the Scary Muslim atmosphere. Like these guys are not just ANY bad guys, they're freakin Muslim Bad Guys! Then they go to Turkey and you hear the call to prayer and it's like some kind of ominous warning of what's to come. I dunno if any of you guys have heard the call to prayer in a Muslim country but let me tell you, it's beautiful. I bet even the most ignorant Islamophobes would be a little bit moved by it. It's not scary.

And THEN, omg, what was with all the face-covering Turkish women? Seriously.. in Turkey? Anyone been to Turkey? Anyone? And when Liam Neeson's ex-wife is trying to escape down that ally way and she looks through the bars and sees the covered Turkish women and she's like 'help me!' And they're staring back at her with an empty look in their eyes.. What was that trying to imply? Muslim women who cover won't help you if your a white American woman being chased by bad guys?

Please tell me, am I being crazy? Am I too sensitive? Like sometimes I just feel like Hollywood presumes their whole audience is white, American and Western. Believe it or not, people watch your films all over the world. And we just get so tired of seeing other cultures portrayed stupidly. If there were other countries making films out there that could compete with American films when it comes to funding, acting and production (NOT BOLLYWOOD) then maybe it would be ok. But we're just drowning in a sea of Hollywood.

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The movie was very culturally inaccurate, there's no arguing against that. But if you use the word "racist" on IMDB you're going to have a bad time, too many emotional people on both sides of the discussion.

But yeah, they didn't try very hard to portray Turkey as anything more than Ubiquitous War-torn Arab Country #14.

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"culturally inaccurate"

Let's see. Apart from the fact that it was a completely fictitious movie with a prepostrous plot, who or what was portrayed as "culturally inaccurate."

Was it America or Americans?
Was it Turks or Turkey?
Was it Albania or Albanians?
May be it was France or the French in that little bit in the beginning?

"...they didn't try very hard to portray Turkey as anything more than Ubiquitous War-torn Arab Country#14"

LOL! I know Kim let off a couple of hand grenades but this is ridiculous. You must have mixed up Taken 2 with Lawrence of Arabia at the DVD store!

I'm not sure whether Turks nor Albanians would appreciate being categorised by you as "Arabs", since they aren't Arab countries, though I'm sure both countries have Arab minorities just as the USA does.

Who did you say was being culturally inaccurate?

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I'm not sure whether Turks nor Albanians would appreciate being categorised by you as "Arabs", since they aren't Arab countries, though I'm sure both countries have Arab minorities just as the USA does.


I didn't call them Arabs. I said Turkey was portrayed as etc etc. You telling me that Turkey is not an Arab country is you agreeing with me. But I think you already know this.

Anyhow, you sound like someone who will just disagree with me until I give up so I'm going to skip to the end. You're right. I'm wrong. I retract all statements and concede.

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Sexual slavery, rape and violence towards women is endemic in the muslim world, and why should anyone be surprised?

Mohamed recommends enslaving the women of infidels (non-muslims), hitting women and killing infidels in general.

So sorry if there is little sympathy for the apparently somewhat MUSLIM albanian mafia men, which serve as the films enemies. The message seems to be kill evil, whatever religion or higher cause (justice) it claims to follow.

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You're correct. I concur. Amerikans... they just want to brainwash their own citizens so they recruit easily more soldiers.

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You're not too sensitive - you've just missed the target (IMO).

This is as much of a racism and anti-Muslim - as presenting Nazi soldiers and connecting it with anti-German and anti-Catholic sentiment.

The sad fact is that Albanians run a huge white slavery deal. And that kidnapping is a part of it. Hell - their leader in Kosovo has his own harem of kidnapped girls from Eastern Europe.

There's nothing racist - it's just as bad when anybody else does it.
This movie series used one chain of white slavery for villains.

There's nothing inherent about crime in a nation, nor religion.
It's not even the way it was presented.

You have a gang of thugs, using numbers, violence and cunning.
Dead set on having a vendetta because somebody pushed back.

You are right - Hollywood is making their own people the protagonist and heroes in every story.

In this case - it's a nice change that somebody is rising the awareness about cartels such as this one.
In my city - I've learned about dozens of kidnappings done in this way. Worse - the girls weren't even abroad. They got taken while going grocery shopping. And then owned as slaves.

Si - there's no truth hurt, here.
There is a very ugly practice, out there.

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Totally agree with you. The bad thing is that we're supposed to 'respect' it. I'm not respecting anything related to islam untill I can freely tell people I'm an atheist without getting a headshot.

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... did you just tell me I'm a brainwashed moron for being happy with Islam?

Where the *beep* did you get that idea?

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You are happy with islam. you can choose between brainwashed or stupid.

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Where the *beep* did you hill-billy get the impression that I'm happy with Islam?

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If you do not remember what you posted 18 days ago i suggest you look up a bit.

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I haven't changed my stance on Islam in the last 18 days.
What the *beep* are you rambling about and what the *beep* gave you those insane ideas?

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I see you still havent read the post i was replying to.

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I see you are confusing me with a liberal.
You should have your head examined.

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You complaining about this is like going to the Godfather page and complaining it's xenophobic to Catholics and Italians.

Here's a fun fact. People can be nice, people can be horrible, and some people, albeit thankfully a small number...can be extremely disgusting excuses for human beings REGARDLESS of what they believe.

All you can seriously complain about is factual errors, which isn't going to cause an uproar anytime soon.

Yes, you are oversensitive.

And now I'm off to the Simpsons page and complain it's xenophobia about the British.

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Turkey is changing & rapidly at that. Once the most reliable Muslim country around they are now aligning themselves with other more radical Muslim states.

So the Turkey you are describing might be true of say 5- 15 years ago but it has changed a LOT in the past 3- 4 years.

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Why does everything have to come down to a race/creed/religious issue?
Going by that logic, the race card could be played in regards to most movies.

Oh look, that white guy just shot someone in that movie, just what is the director trying to imply here? How racist.
Oh no, those Albanians just kidnapped someone in that movie.. that has to be bordering on racism if they are being portrayed that way.

Whatever happened to just appreciating a movie for what it is? A movie.
Instead of picking it apart and finding something that isn't there.

We're at a stage where politically correctness has gone mad.

Oh, and this isn't an attack on the OP or anyone else in this thread, it's more of a general post as i've noticed things like this alot on IMDB.

I don't pick movies apart and notice certain races of people being portrayed in a certain way and then consider it to be racist, so why do you?

We've all seen movies where people of every race have been both the good guys and the bad guys. Are they racist? No! (unless you choose to make it that way).

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Why does everything have to come down to a race/creed/religious issue?

Because otherwise those moral crusaders have to admit that there exists such thing as Nuance and they are not always right. and they will rather cut the nose to spite the face than do that.

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Given how xenophobic the original Taken was, I doubt the sequel was going to be any less. We have a plot where after a Muslim funeral, the father of one of the victims who made a living from kidnapping young women and selling them to sex slavery talking about gaining revenge on the person who killed them all with a straight face.

Its that man again!!

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Your uninformed sanctimony is as repugnant now as it was in February. Have you ever read a history book?

Islam was founded by a mass-murdering child rapist. Since then it has unleashed untold suffering and misery on the peoples it has conquered by its "submit or die" ethos. Don't believe me? EVERY Muslim majority society today is marked by violence, oppression, slavery (as in the movie), bigotry and rampant corruption. EVERY ONE!

It's no more "xenophobic" to depict such a crede as evil than it is to depict Nazism or Stalinism as evil. I suggest you educate yourself before parading your ignorance.

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Xenophobic? It's the truth! The West has become far too soft due to its welfare state and many from the third world take advantage of its system and the situation is getting worse day by day. Nobody is saying all nations are like that. Nobody is saying all Turkey is like that, but a lot of criminals who are hardened by the brutal police culture of these countries have a free run in the West. That is what the movie depicted. And yes, you are crazy.

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You should youself make sense of your comment before commenting again.

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My comments did make sense.

I was replying to a bigot who has form in making anti muslim comments all over the IMDB.

Its that man again!!

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