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Already wrong in the first episode

posted a year ago by TerraFirma69 (2308)
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Years ago I listened to an interview with the detective who handled Dahmer's case from the start. The black man who ran into the street handcuffed didn't even want to go back to Dahmer's place, and didn't make any serious allegations.

All he wanted was for the cops to take off the handcuff Dahmer put on him. They didn't have a key for the brand Dahmer used so they took the guy back to the apartment to get them off. That's when they busted Dahmer by snooping around while he pretended to look for the key (I say pretended because he didn't actually have a key - he would retrieve the cuffs by cutting off his victim's hands after they were dead - yikes).

If the cops had had a key, nothing would have come of the escape.

Why lie about this? What does that say for the rest of the show?

Edit: I'm not putting any blame on the black guy for not wanting to make more of it. According to the detective he didn't know Dahmer had killed anyone or that he planned to kill him. He simply got freaked out when Dahmer cuffed him and he wanted out. That lead to a scuffle and Dahmer pulling a knife. As bad as that is, I can't blame him for not wanting to get his life legally tangled up in what for all he knew was just a situation with some drunk idiot who went too far.

My point for the post is why change what actually occurred? After watching that scene I was already annoyed with the show for making shit up that didn't happen.

[–] whynotwriteme (7739) a year ago

This Dahmer retelling was all about being Woke and ennobling his victims who were people of color. If the true version had been shown, the guy in cuffs would have come across as selfish and not at all heroic. That wouldn't have fit the ennoblement theme they were going with.

That ennobling theme is also why they created the wise, heroic black woman who desperately tried to warn everyone about Dahmer but was shut down by the white patriarchy cops. In reality, her story was an amalgamation of a lot of different people who just made very small insignificant efforts.

It was a 2022 production, so the Netflix execs probably would never have approved the show without a racial injustice angle. In reality, Dahmer's victims were of all races, chosen out of convenience wherever he was living at the time. Diversity was his strength. In the show, though, his killings become some sort of symbol of inherent white racism.

[–] Otter (24464) a year ago

OMG THEY'RE DEPICTING A WHITE SERIAL KILLER AS EVIL!!! THIS IS AN OFFENSE TO ALL WHITE MEN!!!!!!!!!!!

[–] whynotwriteme (7739) a year ago

Stupid, ingenuous response.

Nobody is complaining that they made him look evil. That goes without saying. The problem is, they hijacked the story of an evil murderer to turn it into a diatribe against white people in general. It's like if someone made a movie about black murderer Samuel Little, and turned it into "All black people bear responsibility for these killings!" story.

[–] Otter (24464) a year ago

Dude, whenever you get on these rants you make ME hate white people, and I'm white myself!

You're not advancing your cause with this idiocy, you're hindering it.

[–] whynotwriteme (7739) a year ago

Too bad you're blinded by all the propaganda they fed you in school and on TV your whole life.

[–] Otter (24464) a year ago

GOD FORBID that innocent victims of a serial killer should be given a sympathetic portrayal!

Seriously, dude, what the fucking fuck is wrong with you, that it makes you angry to see ordinary innocent people who were attacked by a serial killer being treated with sympathy? What the hell is offensive about that, to a sane person? Would your feel like all was right with the world if the show was slanted to show that they were somehow asking to be attacked, murdered, and their corpses used as nightmare fuel? Well, they didn't ask for it, they didn't do a damn thing wrong, they were just regular Joes who were unlucky enough to cross paths with a serial killer. It could happen to me, or you, and it's happening to somebody somewhere now, and whatever is happening is 100% the killer's fault and not the victim's.

[–] whynotwriteme (7739) a year ago

You're so moronic that you completely or more likely willfully misunderstood the whole point of what I was saying.

They could have treated the victims with sympathy WITHOUT pretending that Dahmer is somehow representative of how evil whites systematically mistreat the noble black people of America. Why can't they tell the story the way it happened without injecting trendy racial politics into it?

So take all your obfuscating willfull distortions of what I was saying and sit on them, Ot-Tard.

[–] Otter (24464) a year ago

"OH NO! SOMEONE IS REACTING TO WHAT I SAID, AND NOT WHAT I MEANT!!!"

You need to shut up about this. The police could have nabbed Dahmer far earlier and saved lives, if they'd been willing to treat a presentable middle-class white man with suspicion, but they didn't and he killed again and again. So if you want to watch a story which agrees with your stupid beliefs, watch something else.

[–] whynotwriteme (7739) a year ago

a presentable middle-class white man with suspicion, but they didn't

Dahmer lived in a crap neighborhood and his job was mixing chocolate. He wasn't presentable middle class by any means. He was also gay, so the cops definitely looked at him with more contempt than any they may have had for black people, as in the comment a cop made about having to be deloused after returning the Asian kid to Dahmer's apartment.

If anything the cops ignored what was going on because they didn't care to get involved in what was presented as arguments between gay boyfriends, not because Dahmer was part of some imaginary white get-out-of-jail-free club.

[–] Stratego (30740) 3 months ago

"If anything the cops ignored what was going on because they didn't care to get involved in what was presented as arguments between gay boyfriends,"

We actually have evidence on tape that the cops didn't want to get involved in any gay business. Otter is just a moronic troll.

[–] whynotwriteme (7739) 3 months ago

Exactly.

I notice Ot-tard had no response to that last comment.

[–] [email protected] (1358) 2 months ago

I hate when they twist the truth. This was a real life situation. If its to be credible they need to stick to the actual facts.

[–] TerraFirma69 (2308) 2 months ago

indeed. And the truth is so often more interesting on a human level than the 2 dimensional crap they shoehorn into the stories anyway.

The fact that I recalled those details about that particular event clearly demonstrates the truth really was more interesting than the glossed over version they told here.

[–] [email protected] (1358) 2 months ago

Yes absolutely The whole handcuff situation was far more interesting as the true story than what they depicted. Off topic, but I wasnt happy he was killed in prison. A deep case study was needed on him. If its true that his brain was not granted to science, thats a major loss on understanding more of how he ticked.