Why not kill people BEFORE sending them back in time?
Why send people back in time alive? Why not just shoot them in the future and send the corpse back in time to be disposed of?
shareMovie didn't make much sense.
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Probably because if someone goes missing and there is an investigation, they could find evidence of a murder.
shareOr, send someone back into the middle of the ocean, or in the arctic in winter, with their arms tied up. Zero chance of survival, and no need for a looper
sharei was wondering the same thing.
also, why do loopers have to kill their own future counterpart, instead of sending them to another looper?
Ultimate revenge by the grown up kid who is now head of the mob, I would think.
sharehow does that make sense? revenge on whom? the mob wants to get rid of decommissioned loopers and and sending them to their past counterpart only causes the risk of mission failure, as people will more likely struggle to kill "themselves" instead of another person.
shareWell you see what happens when they dont
sharesee what?
shareWhat happens when you let your future self go
shareyes, now we're back to my initial question.
shareThe rainmaker is the kid from the farm, yes?
So he grows up hating loopers. becomes head of the mob and maybe figures he can't (or at least thinks he can't) change the past. So he has the retired loopers sent back and killed by their younger selves. Ultimate mind fuck and revenge.
As for them not killing themselves, as I say, we see what happens when they don't.
To answer the original question of this post, from the script:
Time travel has not yet been invented.
But 30 years from now,
it will have been.
It will be instantly out/awed,
used only in secret
by the largest criminal organizations.
It's nearly impossible
to dispose of a body in the future.
I'm told.
Tagging techniques, whatnot.
So when these criminal organizations
in the future need someone gone,
they use specialized assassins
in our present called loopers.
And so,
my employers in the future
nab the target.
They zap him back to me,
their looper.
He appears,
hands tied and head sacked.
And I do the necessaries.
Collect my silver.
So the target is vanished
from the future,
and I've just disposed of a body
that technically does not exist.
Clean.
it was explained in the movie the loopers knew about that they will get killed eventually. it was part of their contract. so it's not an act of revenge:
"When we sign up for this job, taking out the future's garbage, we also agree to a very specific proviso. Time travel in the future is so illegal, that when our employers want to close our contracts, they'll also want to erase any trace of their relationship with us ever existing."
so even before the rainmaker took over and started to close all loops as an act of revenge (and hence, destroying the criminal organizations), closing loops was common practice among the mob.
and even if it was the rainmaker's revenge, it would have been more effective to send them to other loopers who wouldn't hesitate killing a strange person. by sending them to their own counterparts, the rainmaker gives the loopers a chance to survive, which wouldn't be in his interest, if he seeks revenge. so that's illogical.
it was explained in the movie the loopers knew about that they will get killed eventually. it was part of their contract. so it's not an act of revenge:
Right, so who made that contract up then? We don't know do we? We only know that's how all contracts are closed.
and even if it was the rainmaker's revenge, it would have been more effective to send them to other loopers who wouldn't hesitate killing a strange person. by sending them to their own counterparts, the rainmaker gives the loopers a chance to survive, which wouldn't be in his interest, if he seeks revenge. so that's illogical.
Who said it was logical or even had to be? The Rainmaker is not giving them a chance to survive, he's giving them a possible opportunity to run that will only end like it did for the guy who ran.
These people were randoms for them. Most of the people send back in time wear a sack over their head and the Looper just shot them dead. They would only know it was their future one by checking the payment and getting gold bars instead of silver ones. You can see that in the flash forward of YJ to OJ, where you see how his life had been after the succesful murder of OJ. YJ just shoot him dead as usual and then sighs when he realize its gold bars.
Joe is a pyschopath, as he always shot his victims. Seth is a way less reliable looper and was likely already paranoid each loop incoming. Maybe speak with everyone before the kill in anticipation of his future one coming.
About who does the contracts: It is Abe. Abe is from the future, so like other future versions, he instantly knows when something went wrong, because they knew it in his past, that the looper ran away. That is the information Abe has and that is why he is send back into the past. Of course, he has no additional information until they happenend, because that is according to the movies logic. But the failed kill is for him a fact.
They have to send them their gold bars as a retirement package. How else will they know they are retired?
shareYou can be sure of one thing: these time travel movies can be unnecessarily AND necessarily convoluted. (Even the time travel in the Bill & Ted movies gets analyzed by confused viewers.)
Simply enjoy the ride... after you’ve given up on trying to make sense of things, of course. :D