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Ian Watkins "loved" this piece of sh-t

posted 10 years ago by cpf27
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It seems this poor excuse of a film inspired Ian Watkins' deranged fantasies about raping babies.

Joanne Mjadzelics was one of Watkins' occasional sexual partners.

"But Joanne, 38, who says she told police of his depraved desire to attack children in 2008, said: “I’m absolutely sure Ian wouldn’t have stopped at abuse. He wanted to rape and kill children. He wanted to rape newborns.

“He even wanted to get me pregnant so he could rape our baby. How does anyone become that sick?

"I can’t understand how and I don’t think I ever will.”"

"He also confessed how his favourite film was an eastern European film which shows a newborn baby being raped."

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/ian-watkins-lostprophets-singer-boasted-6358914

For those who do not know who this perv is:

Ian David Karslake Watkins (born 30 July 1977) is a Welsh musician and convicted paedophile. Watkins achieved prominence as a founding member, lead vocalist, and lyricist of the rock band Lostprophets. Lostprophets disbanded in 2013 after Watkins was charged with sexual offences in late 2012. In November 2013, he pleaded guilty to 13 charges, including the attempted rape and sexual assault of a child under 13; these offences were committed against the infant children of two fans who were also convicted. He was subsequently sentenced to 29 years' imprisonment and six years on extended licence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Watkins_(Lostprophets)

Rape is no laughing matter nor to take it lightly. It is an horrific crime, and even more when done to little kids. All adult people involved with the making of this POS, should be ashamed of themselves. Making a disturbing flick like this just for the sake of it, is irresponsible. Because this is no more than a "shocker", just a pointless movie with the idiotic purpose to shock the viewers.

[–] joelcowdroy23 10 years ago

You're an idiot. I'm sorry to have to put it so bluntly, but it's true.

Are you trying to convince us, that that deplorable piece of *beep* Watkins wouldn't have done those things if it wasn't for this "irresponsible" piece of fiction?

I suppose next you'll be suggesting that violent video games/ music cause otherwise normal, rational human beings to commit atrocities because they can't possibly distinguish between real life and fiction.

It's worrying to me that you don't have the intelligence to make that distinction. Then to have the audacity to think others have as little intelligence as you. That somehow you feel that people in general should be shielded from taboo subjects, because aww those poor people with their fragile little minds can't possibly discern morality, unless it's force fed to them by fuzzy wuzzy, feel-good, politically correct love stories with happy endings.

[–] cpf27 10 years ago

You can say all you want to justify this type of films, but that does not make it right.
What redeeming qualities have this film to make it worth to see it? None. We live in an awful world where there are killings, rapes, torture, etc. Why do we need these sick movies for? In what ways they would make us better human beings? So, an a**hole can make a 2 hour movie about the torture of a little girl, why? to please the poor idiots like you who enjoy watching this pathetic crap? Why do you defend this stupid film?

And no, I am not a super conservative type of guy who think that all violent, non politically correct movies should be censored, actually I am far from that, but I think we should have boundaries.

I can watch violent films, play violent video games, etc. and that does not mean I am a violent guy. But I am sure there are violent people who also like this kind of films and could be inspired by some scenes and make them happen. Why is it so difficult to you to accept it? One real life example: John Hinckley Jr. In no way I am saying Taxi Driver (a masterpiece) made him the way he is/was, but that film definetely inspired some of his actions.

Equally, I am not saying ASF made Ian Watkins the perv he is, but that particular scene made him think about it, fantasize about it.

Can you understand that genius?

[–] FactUnderChecK 10 years ago

maybe i watch pearl harbor and start fantasizing about crashing planes into boats. killing japanese people, getting my hands on a couple nukes blowing the sh!t out of some nations.

you understand how that works? genius.

pervs gona perv.

grow up ya cxnt.

[–] cpf27 10 years ago

Another tough keyboard warrior. Do you think you are a tough guy just because you watch this kind of crap? Grow the *beep* up you idiot. People who gets entertained by this, are pussies in real life.

[–] FactUnderChecK 10 years ago

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why are you feeling so threatened bruh?

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[–] FactUnderChecK 10 years ago

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why you got your panties all over the board bud? boyfriend break up with you today?

[–] chamohlamb 9 years ago

Screw your buddy. You're a pussy. Someone got too upset over a movie.

[–] omendata 9 years ago

I have to agree with cpf27.

There is no doubt video games accelarate aggression!
Movies do without doubt give ideas and inspiration to already sick individuals.
As an ex police officer I have seen it in action and listened to the sick whining of demented individuals who thought they were Neo and other fictional characters - you just have to look at many of the killings in the USA with their long black leather coats , dark glasses and weapons of destruction - open your eyes!

And the first person to use violence , aggression and foul language when discussing something is always the loser.

I declare cpf27 the winner!

[–] jounicmx 9 years ago

"And the first person to use violence , aggression and foul language when discussing something is always the loser."

In that case cpf27 is the loser,since in his original post he uses all those things that you mention.By not giving the filmmaker even the benefit of the doubt and by just projecting his own thoughts in a violent,aggressive and rude way.

[–] omendata 9 years ago

I have to be honest i cant see any aggression or foul language just someone calling another person a cXnt because they disagree with them - the first post seems quite reasonable to me!

I havent seen the movie yet but intend to educate myself on this one.
I dont agree on censorship but i would say violence for violence sake or shock value does devalue the product!

[–] jounicmx 9 years ago

Im sorry what?You dont think cXnt is foul language?Then what is then?

I dont personally care,but you said that the first person to do that and use aggression is the loser,so im going by your words here.

If you dont see any of that in the first post than youre being very selective in your reading.

[–] omendata 9 years ago

Its so easy to get things wrong when dealing with posts on the internet.

I was referring to the ugly world cxnt as being the foul language - Please re- read my post - I am unaware of cpf using it?

"grow up ya cxnt."

the first post by cpf is:=

It seems this poor excuse of a film inspired Ian Watkins' deranged fantasies about raping babies.

Joanne Mjadzelics was one of Watkins' occasional sexual partners.

"But Joanne, 38, who says she told police of his depraved desire to attack children in 2008, said: “I’m absolutely sure Ian wouldn’t have stopped at abuse. He wanted to rape and kill children. He wanted to rape newborns.

“He even wanted to get me pregnant so he could rape our baby. How does anyone become that sick?

"I can’t understand how and I don’t think I ever will.”"

"He also confessed how his favourite film was an eastern European film which shows a newborn baby being raped."

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/ian-watkins-lostprophets-singer-boasted-6358914

For those who do not know who this perv is:

Ian David Karslake Watkins (born 30 July 1977) is a Welsh musician and convicted paedophile. Watkins achieved prominence as a founding member, lead vocalist, and lyricist of the rock band Lostprophets. Lostprophets disbanded in 2013 after Watkins was charged with sexual offences in late 2012. In November 2013, he pleaded guilty to 13 charges, including the attempted rape and sexual assault of a child under 13; these offences were committed against the infant children of two fans who were also convicted. He was subsequently sentenced to 29 years' imprisonment and six years on extended licence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Watkins_(Lostprophets)

Rape is no laughing matter nor to take it lightly. It is an horrific crime, and even more when done to little kids. All adult people involved with the making of this POS, should be ashamed of themselves. Making a disturbing flick like this just for the sake of it, is irresponsible. Because this is no more than a "shocker", just a pointless movie with the idiotic purpose to shock the viewers.

[–] jounicmx 9 years ago

Ok,i misunderstood what you wrote,my bad.

What i have a problem with in the original post is this:

"All adult people involved with the making of this POS, should be ashamed of themselves. Making a disturbing flick like this just for the sake of it, is irresponsible. Because this is no more than a "shocker", just a pointless movie with the idiotic purpose to shock the viewers."

These type of comments are very hostile towards the filmmakers and to people who actually enjoy this film as a good film,not as mindless gore.

The OP doesnt have a problem throwing insults at these people in an aggressive and dismissing way,simply because he himself didnt happen to see any value in this film.

[–] omendata 9 years ago

Cant really comment until i have seen it but I think OP has probably been affected by it and not in a good way.

Perhaps he is right - consider that - I personally dont see violence or aggression in his post - merely passion , disgust and a need to express it to others - life would be rather dull if we all had the same views!

We do have to have limitations - as Clint once said - "A Man has to know his limitations" and so does mankind if we are to remain sane which seems a far way off these days where it seems anything goes and hell and the devil seem to be in control if you pardon the religious metaphor.

You have to draw a line somewhere otherwise we will eventually be legalising paedophilia , rape torture porn , snuff - who knows where it will end!

A movie made just to shock with no artistic merit isnt really a movie, its just commercial cynicism masquerading as art at its worst!

I personally found "Tusk", "I spit On Your Grave II","Martyrs" quite hard to watch myself and pushing the boundaries!

Whereas Human Centipede III ridiculous and laughable.
Perception is individual!

[–] chunkiefroth 9 years ago

I personally found "Tusk", "I spit On Your Grave II","Martyrs" quite hard to watch myself and pushing the boundaries!

You should probably skip A Serbian Film then. It makes Martyrs look like Finding Nemo. Seriously, Martyrs seems sweet and uplifting in comparison.

[–] omendata 9 years ago

And thats it, the temptation of man, the red apple hanging from the forbidden tree - I know i shouldn't now but you have made me even more curious Chunkster!

Its a hard game being human!

[–] chunkiefroth 9 years ago

I crossed paths with it a few years ago while searching for the most f--ked up movie ever made. The only ones I've seen that even come close to being this disturbing are psudo snuff films like August Underground or Slaughtered Vomit Dolls. This is a real movie though. Clever cinematography, great acting, and enough suspense to keep Hitchcock on the edge of his seat. . . it is also relentlessly depraved. Though it never attempts to glamorize real world atrocity. This may not be "top worst" but it is definitely high ranking amongst seriously good films that happen to be whacked out.

[–] omendata 9 years ago

Damned if i do , damned if i dont - damn it i will!
>;O)

[–] Smurfsarebad 9 years ago

I find all this hate towards these kind of extreme movies very wrong.
As a society, we are more fcked up than that. We pay to watch news that show us murder, accidents, people dying, all the real gore, but we get upset if someone is doing an work of fiction depicting similar things. When ISIS executions are getting posted they are watched by million of people. People that are especially searching for them, that are clicking on that link because they want to see a real execution, a real person dying. But the same people are offended by a work of fiction.

I personally love gore and extreme cinema. I like good effects, i like the whole concept of something fictional shocking you, and i also liked A Serbian Film. Am i a sicko? Well, not really, i usually faint when i'm getting some blood-work done and i feel sick when i watch real gore, that shows real people dying, or even real autopsies. The sickening part comes straight from the fact that i can make the difference between fiction and reality.

As the wife of that dude is saying, he was having those thoughts before this movie even existed. And anyway, there is no movie, book, any piece of art that can make a rational human being wanting so much to do something that it's so wrong. This dude had deeper psychological issues.

People need to stop blaming all these external factors and start blaming themselves. Knives and guns don't kill people, movies do not make people kill other people. People do that, by their actions. The society should blame themselves for not finding the issue before it takes actions. People with psychological problems, like pedophiles need to be helped by society and not marginalized as it's happening. Because there is a huge difference between a pedophile and a child molester, but our society does not make that difference. Pedophilia is a neurological disorder before becoming child molestation. Those pedophiles that are suffering from it, need to consult an specialist before acting on their fantasies. That's a hard thing to do, as it's such a sketchy subject.

[–] Thiang 9 years ago

"The OP doesnt have a problem throwing insults at these people in an aggressive and dismissing way,simply because he himself didnt happen to see any value in this film."

I'm having a hard time with your argument. It seems kind of weak to me. OP is not being vulgar or hostile in any way whatsoever and I'd be interested to hear an intelligent and coherent breakdown from you as to the reason the film has this so called "value" you speak of.

[–] jounicmx 9 years ago

I was referring to the subtext of his post and also his other responses.He judges anyone who could possibly like this film,which is hostile deep down.But i understand that my comment doesnt come across like that now that i look at it.I wrote it in a different state of mind.

The film is really well directed and acted,the atmosphere and the soundtrack are strong and i had a very visceral experience with it.Thats why i like it.

You cant verbally explain a subjective experience to someone else in a completely satisfactory way,so i have no illusions about convincing you of the value of this film.

I completely understand people not liking and even hating this film,but i have a problem with people who dismiss anyone who do like the film.

I dont have a thing for violent films and most of my favorite films arent that violent,but this film was simply a powerful experience for me.

[–] noose-children 9 years ago

No. You ARE that conservative *beep*, and you sought this movie out to be offended. You are an idiot.

[–] BeOneOfUs 9 years ago

People who gets entertained by this, are pussies in real life.

Didn't you make enough idiotic statements in your OP?

[–] divisionbell-2 9 years ago

Have you actually seen the movie?

[–] jmwbate 8 years ago

I agree that it's a shame that this film contains a scene that scarily mirrors that of what Ian Watkins appeared to be involved in. To me, it's just a testament to how damaged his mind was because any of the scenes involving children in the film were particularly gruelling and upsetting, especially since the rest of the violence was actually darkly comic.

I'm not trying to start a battle here, but have you seen the film cpf27?
You're description "So, an a**hole can make a 2 hour movie about the torture of a little girl" suggests to me that you haven't.
I'm not saying that you should, or that if you did it would change your mind.

I just think you might have taken the Ian Watkins link and the hype the film created and that's made your mind up for you.

This film is a little hard to justify, especially since most of the criticisms seem to have come from people who've heard about it or simply just googled the worst scenes. But I think there are quite a few sick movies that are made for the purposes of opening your eyes to the sickness of the world. These are things that we, in civilised societies, can do something about (whether it's simply be just donating to charity), but we may not be aware if films didn't highlight these atrocities.

I'm not saying that this film is necessarily one of those (although it is the directors intention to use extremes to highlight poor treatment of Serbian citizens by its government), but I don't think we should avoid using upsetting material in films if they're made for the right reasons.

I don't agree that this is the main decider for Ian Watkins. If this film has caused anyone to want to act like Ian Watkins, then they were the type of people who were always going act like Ian Watkins. Because anyone who doesn't want to act like Ian Watkins who sees the film would agree that it's very horrible to act like Ian Watkins.

[–] hotnoodletuna 9 years ago

You are conflating two separate issues. If the OP intended to suggest that we should censor films in any way, I would be 100% on your side. What he said, however, is that ASF is exploitative garbage made to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Despite the disingenuous claims, there really is nothing particularly artistic or meaningful in this film. It certainly shouldn't be censored, but you shouldn't go around pretending like it isn't a steaming pile of cinematic garbage either.

[–] FactUnderChecK 9 years ago

hold on. didn't i just see you promoting salo as 'worth a watch' and then to call this garbage?
where do you get off huh?

but seriously. i get that you feel like you are too high brow to appreciate what this movie presents making comments like "garbage made to appeal to the lowest common denominator". but so what the story has no deeper meaning than what you get at face value. its well shot, the story comes full circle, the characters are appropriately developed, well paced and more importantly is creative, expresses exactly what it wanted to express. not your taste and 'garbage' are not the same thing.

[–] cooltoyetic 9 years ago

But to say it nothing to with it makes you naïve. Which is worse.

[–] MrSelfPaid 9 years ago

Holy Hell, you took the words right of my mouth. I don't understand why some weak minded people mistake fiction for real life. If someone has squashed potatoes for brains, his/her opinions should be kept private and public forums like these should not be a therapeutic escape for future deranged people. It is this perverse ideology of empathizing with fiction and relating it to real life that has lead to some unnecessary, unfortunate and sickening behavior by people who were quick to point out works of fiction as inspiration for horrible crimes they themselves committed.

[–] jounicmx 10 years ago

If you think this movie turned that piece of *beep* to rape kids then you really are ignorant.A serial killer might like serial killer movies also,doesnt mean those movies made him that way.Surely you have the intelligence to understand this.
Hate this movie all you want but dont make up stuff thats not true.

[–] cpf27 10 years ago

If you think this movie turned that piece of *beep* to rape kids then you really are ignorant.

I never said that. Read my reply to the other guy above.

[–] jounicmx 10 years ago

You said it inspired him,then surely any movie with any violence or murder can in same way inspire deranged people.Those people would still do that stuff without movies.

Why arent you attacking Taxi Driver also with the same anger since you admitted that you think it inspired some bad actions?If your answer is that Taxi Driver didnt set out to do that,well neither did A Serbian Film.

You're also being very rude and egotistical and frankly completely wrong by accusing people who like this movie as being poor idiots.

Even though you cant see it,theres some really strong and great filmmaking in this movie.Im a film buff and love cinema and i love this film.
So i have no problem defending and prasing this film and simultaneously despice people like Ian Watkins.

[–] cpf27 10 years ago

Sure they can do it without watching these movies. Again, I don't blame the film for Watkin's perverted actions. I am just saying he fantasized about raping newborn babies when he saw that particular scene.

You can't compare a POS like this with a masterpiece like Taxi Driver.

You seem a nice and educated person, but seriously, how could you say that you love this film? What is to love? What scene did you enjoy the most? A guy raping a newborn, a man being raped, a man having sex with a headless woman, a man raping his own son or maybe the protagonist penetrating the eye socket of another guy with his penis or the sad ending where they are going to rape the dead bodies of the family? This flick is so ridiculous and full of stupid scenes just to shock, it is an insult to our intelligence. It has no meaning, no message, no artistic value. Just nihilistic nonsense garbage.

[–] jounicmx 10 years ago

Well,i suppose love is not the right word to use in this case but this movie is in my top 20 or 30 films.

I can understand obviously that people see this movie the way you do,it just bothers me if those people think that anyone liking this movie is sick and not a good person,but enough about that.

The directing and the atmosphere of the movie just got to me in a very strong way,i dont think i can verbally explain it to you in a satisfactory way.

As far as the message and meaning of the movie,the director and the writer have talked about it in interviews how its a metaphor about Serbian life.People will dismiss that as *beep* or accept it or be indifferent about it(based on their viewpoint).

But i didnt know about the message when i saw this film so the"message"didnt play a big role in me liking this movie.It was jus the power of the filmmaking.

On a side note,i dont think a movie needs to have a message neccessarily to be effective,same way as an instrumental song doesnt have lyrics.

Ok,ive ranted long enough.By the way,can you name some of your favorite movies?

Ps.I like your pic.

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[–] jounicmx 10 years ago

We get it,you lack the ability to communicate logically and calmly because you're not in control of your emotions because of your programming that you have no awareness of.Your ego is going to react to this in an intense way,proving that i am right.When actually,this is a change for you to grow.

[–] TaRaNRoD (1579) 8 years ago

Grow the fuck up.

[–] castricv 10 years ago

Even in your own write up you say he had depraved urges at least as far back as 2008. This movie came out well after that. You cannot be retroactively inspired to be a sicko>....He was already a latent loony who later dwelled on ..lo and behold...his particular fetish in a movie. Theese cretins are born and need to be culled from society, any transference of guilt simply harms that noble goal.

I take it you have watched this film as well and have not as of yet raped, killed, or tortured someone? Raped a child? Fellated a donkey??

Right?

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[–] guillamedematarese 9 years ago

Dude...you shouldn't be here discussing about this movie. It's strictly for persons ABOVE 18 YEARS OF AGE. This is a work of art that is very different in style and content from Sesame Street...it's called a Film. You'll understand once you grow up and are able to grasp the meaning of big words like "filmmaking", "style", "atmosphere", etc.

And btw, kids your age should seriously not be on the Internet without parental supervision. Yeah..I'm kind of conservative that way.

[–] matthewjsimpson-64149 10 years ago

Don't be such a baby. If u can't handle the shock genre don't watch it. There's plenty of Disney films out there ssssssson

[–] Tehsupercow 9 years ago

Joanne Mjadzelics was worse than Watkins, she actually tried to get pregnant, too. The mother's of the babies he planned to rape? They knew he wanted to rape them, and they actually agreed, thank fúck he was caught in time. The women in this situation, are much worse than Watkins.

Oh, and Joanne Mjadzelics? Got caught with child porn all over her computer, too.

"Maybe he's just a guy, that's trying to do the right thing" - Bruce Wayne.17/04/2015

[–] OnlyOneFalco 9 years ago

True story:

When I was 11 I was a huge fan of Lostprophets. I have a cousin who lives and works in LA, and she gave me his phone number. I texted him a few times, not disclosing my age, and got no response. A couple months later I finally sent him something along the lines of "Ian I am only 11 and it would mean the world to hear back from you. It's my birthday soon!" And viola. We sent maybe 4 or 5 texts back and forth but he never said anything creepy or bizarre, from what I can recall.

That all aside, I love this film. Like many others have stated, the entire point of a horror film is to inflict a sensation of horror upon the audience... Very few films do that nowadays, but this one always succeeds.

[–] ma_marcil 9 years ago

Several members already expressed what is basically my opinion on the subject of this film and the ridiculous idea that it should somehow be forbidden to create something like this. I have to say that I am unfortunately not too surprised to read opinions like the OP's one, but it still strikes me as very narrow-minded and ignorant. I mean, I can perfectly understand that A Serbian Film is not exactly for everyone's tastes, but first of all, I just do not understand how somebody can just "happened" to see A Serbian Film without knowing beforehand at least some informations about it. I mean, all the people I know who have have seen the movie KNEW well before that it was going to be very shocking, so it is not like the OP and people like him/her have not been warned beforehand. It is like going to see a movie that you know is 18+ years old for violence and complaining about the level of violence and the disturbing elements afterwards; why bother seeing the movie in the first place in that case? And whatever you say about A Serbian Film, the movie remains a work of COMPLETE FICTION, so it is not like Cannibal Holocaust where one could complain, rightfully, that they REALLY killed animals in reality for the purpose of their film, which IS shocking and not excusable if you ask me.

And as for the quality of the film per se, well like others wrote before me, I thought and I still think A Serbian Film is actually much more than just an exploitation film made just for the sake of shocking people with the sickest scenes possible. Yes, the movies goes to extremes, but it was actually quite well made, acted and edited for me to the point where I genuinely cared for the main character and his family. The movie was well written for me, and the characters actually had a character arc contrary to numerous exploitation movies where you are only looking to see blood and guts and have no attach to the main protagonist at all.

Bill Foster: I'm the bad guy?...How did that happen?

[–] Strong_Mad 9 years ago

OP, free speech is a very unstable thing...some very, VERY screwed up ideas can be bandied about, including what you see here in ASF. (semi-related...I watched Birth of a Nation the other day for the first time. That vicious film caused major social problems, and people want it banned to this day.)

Maybe this film is depraved, pointless, and irresponsible...but more power to the filmmakers. The fact that speech this explosive and obscene can remain legal is one of the reasons I love America so much.

I hope someone comes out with something ten times more shocking than this. If the envelope isn't being pushed, we're not testing the First Amendment enough. Who said free speech had to be responsible or safe?

A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?

[–] Vargur 9 years ago

Don't be retarded, pedophilia/hebephilia are EXACTLY like homosexualism and heterosexualism.
And they're not exclusive to each other. You can like old and young, women and men alike. The only difference is the legality of it all, and whether or not you CHOOSE to act on the illegal ones.
Nobody's forcing people (so that's including women) to act upon a potentially illegal situation. It's their choice.
And the media (videos/games/broadcasts/whatever) has NOTHING to do with THEIR CHOICE.

[–] kirkwuk 9 years ago

Salo is a much better film than ASF, and I loved ASF as well.

They are two films which are just so out there they become disturbing as hell. Salo just beat it to the post I would say on how elaborate it was filmed and how deranged the four libertines were, far more convincingly than the villains in ASF.

I recommend that one very highly. If you're still not disturbed, the book version from Marquis De Sade will question your sanity.