Can one think that Hillary Clinton is a devil and still like this show? - Parks and Recreation (2009) Discussion

[–] fleurfairy 9 years ago

I too hate Hilary Clinton but I still enjoy this show. It surprises me that Leslie idolized her so much when Leslie was such a giving and honest person.

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[–] Zanza8 9 years ago

I hate Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, the whole pack of them, but Amy Poehler is a flaming liberal and she's created a show about a politician who adores these people. You either have to deal with it or not watch. Me, I deal with it because it's such a funny show and the politics is an occasional thing that doesn't get in the way of the humor.

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[–] Ghetto_Defendant 9 years ago

Um, Amy Poehler didn't create this show.

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[–] ncoflin 9 years ago

To be fair Leslie references several female politicians as role models throughout the show. From all political affiliations. Olympia Snow, Condi Rice, heck even Sarah Palin just to name a few. Hillary I think is mentioned most of all because she is arguably the most prominent female politician (despite personal feelings you may have against her). I always thought that Leslie was portrayed as a feminist less about the specific issues but more so admired all women who "made it" in the boys clubs of politics no matter their party affiliation. The show really skews away from too much real life political commentary. In short, I still think you can watch it and enjoy it.

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[–] Sheldonshells 8 years ago

She's a feminist? That's enough to turn me off of it, yuck.

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[–] armalite1016 8 years ago

Oh don't be a vag about it. It doesn't really affect the show in any meaningful way.

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[–] pianojessica 9 years ago

Um yeah, and how about her referencing Michelle Bachmann? Seriously, OP, using this as a platform to spout your anti-Clinton opinions? @ncoflin is right, Leslie was portrayed as a honest female government employee trying to break through the boys clubs into the upper levels of politics and government, and regardless of my own political preferences, I never took offense to her references to any female personas she mentioned on the left or right. To even let it affect your opinion of this show is just too bad, and I'm sad for you that you couldn't look beyond that and enjoy this show for its hilarious brilliance! I hope you give it another chance and leave your political leanings elsewhere.

Let's try and be constructive here, people.

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (29543476) 9 years ago

I am watching and enjoying (mostly) this show. I have seen five seasons and I am still watching. :)

But as I said, Hilary Clinton disgusts me. It makes it all even more confusing, because Bill Clinton absolutely helped Bosnia and I really like him for that, but to me, what was done in Lybia was a crime against all humanity. That mocking od dead Gaddafi was something absolutely despicable and that scene is deeply imprinted with me. Every time I see Hillary, I remember that scene and world seems like a terrible place. That does not agree well with a comedy show.

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[–] DeathRay93 9 years ago

John McCain and Newt Gingrich both made cameos. Granted it was probably to appeal to the coveted 18-35 demo but they still appeared. Yes Leslie leaned to the left but the show wasn't exactly biased.

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (29543476) 9 years ago

Wasn't meaning the show is biased. I am not familiarized with American politics, don't know who is republican, who is democrat. I just feel bad when I see Hillary, cause I rememeber that afore-mentioned speech.

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[–] Sheldonshells 8 years ago

Why would John McCain and Newt Gingrich appeal to the coveted 18-35 demo? You're not making any sense. Try popping a few less pills a day, thanks.

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[–] GreyHunter 9 years ago

Do you not have friends? Were you really so desperate to share your feelings on politics that you have to go on a site devoted to entertainment media and make sure complete strangers know your feelings about political issues with virtually no relevance to whether or not you choose to watch a show? If mentioning a given politician upsets you so much that you can't bring yourself to enjoy the show, here's a suggestion -- don't watch the damned show. That, and go make some friends so you can weep on their shoulders about how much it hurts to hear a name being spoken on a TV show about a Parks and Recreation department in small-town Indiana. And, no, this post wasn't necessary. You could make up your own mind without ranting on IMDb about your personal politics. You just wanted a soapbox and lacked the basic decency to find an appropriate soapbox to stand on. There are plenty of political websites out there where your views will fit right in, and plenty of people on those websites who will appreciate you adding to the chorus of agreement with their views. Go. Find them. Using such a flimsy excuse to post about your politics was just sad. There was never any need to solicit opinions about whether you should sit in whatever passes for a viewing area in your home and watch a TV show in private.

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (29543476) 9 years ago

Don't worry about me, I stopped watching this damn show.

I wanted to find light entertainment, and in the fifth season was disgusted by how this show blatantly praised one politician, and out of all politicians to praise, it praised Hillary, a politician who was so happy about destruction of Lybia and murder and torchure of Gaddafi that it made me vomit.

If you like mixing sitcoms and politics, than hooray for you.
I have every right to express my disgust with such mixture.

And in some other occasion, you would agree with me. Your shear reaction to my post and pathetic ad hominems about me "not having any friends" shows how strong you react to politics.
How would you feel if a politican you disliked strongly was prasied in a sitcom after you've invested yourself in five seasons of it?

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[–] GreyHunter 9 years ago

As others have pointed out, the women mentioned as role models on this show have spanned a wide variety of political viewpoints. Not that it matters. One of the basic relationships on this show exists between a hardcore-to-the-point-of-parody Libertarian and his polar opposite, a hardcore-to-the-point-of-parody government cheerleader. If you agree with them both simultaneously, you're deeply confused. Ergo, most viewers are going to find one viewpoint or the other distasteful, yet they still manage to enjoy the show. If they can manage, you surely could have mustered up the intestinal fortitude to watch a show that didn't cater to your personal biases and make a decision about whether it was worth continuing watching without ranting here about your politics. I've seen many shows and movies that perspectives I found distasteful. I still somehow managed to make up my mind about whether to enjoy them without racing to IMDb to make sure everyone knew about my personal politics and why I dislike Person X or Idea Y. We...do...not...care...about...your...feelings...on...Ms. Clinton. If you think the show isn't funny or that the plots are stupid or that the dialogue is poorly written, by all means, share. At least you'd be talking about the show rather than your personal belief system which is in no way relevant to the show itself.

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (29543476) 9 years ago

For someone who does not care about my feelings on Ms. Clinton, you sure tend to come to this thread a lot. And all I am saying is, that in the same manner, I do not care about some imaginary character's feelings about Ms. Clinton. I just wanted to enjoy the show.

I mean, Leslie is supposed to be an sympathetic, passionate, altruistic , generally nice person and socially very much aware. If such person is shown to use Hillary Clinton as her chief role model, then this show is advertising her, saying that woman, such is Hillary, is what we need and how great such women are.

I don't agree with Ron's viewpoints at all, yet, at no point in the show, did I find that distasteful. That was funny.

On the other hand, making this kind of advertisment, in what is supposed to be an innocent entertaining show, to one politician that is still very much actively involved in politics is distasteful.

Correct me if I am wrong, but in no point in this show are presented actual politicians favoured by Ron. As much as I recall, he said few times that he doesn't have any role models.

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[–] Sheldonshells 8 years ago

Leslie was portrayed as a honest female government employee trying to break through the boys clubs into the upper levels of politics and government

Yaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwn! Hearing this kind of beyond boring garbage is enough to turn an actually intelligent person away.

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[–] ZaZeus 9 years ago

All major politicians are gross.

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[–] TheOtherUprising 9 years ago

Yes,

The great thing about Parks and Rec was you had characters with different values and viewpoints who were all likeable. Leslie was also a fan of any women who was successful in politics. Her admiration for Hillary was more to do with her accomplishments then her politics.

Personally I have somewhat of a neutral view of Hillary Clinton. I think she is right more than she is wrong but she personifies a lot of things that are wrong with the American political system.

As for Gaddafi whether or not the Americans getting involved was the right thing he had it coming. I have no sympathy for the way he died, he earned it.

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (29543476) 9 years ago

No, he did not earn it. Lybia was a great country before they completely ruined it.
Many of my friends from Croatia worked there on oil rigs and felt safe. Then they removed him and now Croats are decapitated there(Tomislav Salopek case).

Gadaffi held under control many opposing tribes there and it was the best system they could have had. His biggest sin was his wish to stop exploitation of Africa and also to create a new currency which would make them independent of international monetary funds.I mean, they were protests and one person was killed by un unknown sniper. They imediately declared war crisis and bombed the country. It was a war crime and pure work of evil.
France and USA should both be embarassed for it.

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[–] pianojessica 9 years ago

Let's leave politics aside here, people. This is IMDb. Not a political blog.

Let's try and be constructive here, people.

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (29543476) 9 years ago

Everything is politics. :)

If you don't want to discuss politics, don't read this thread.

You say I am using this thread to spout my anti-Clintonian opinion.
But what if this show is being used to spout pro-Clintonian opinion?

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[–] GreyHunter 9 years ago

Holy...I thought for a second you were being facetious, but you really believe Gaddafi was a good leader, don't you? I mean, his well-documented violation of human rights in Libya, his sponsorship of terrorism (do look up the Lockerbie bombing for a good look at how a wonderful person like Gaddafi helped murder 250 innocent people, including children), his autocratic rule that suppressed (often quite violently) dissent, his rape of Libya's wealth for his and his family's benefit...man, it takes a special kind of willful ignorance to pretend Gaddafi was anything other than a murderous tyrant who bore no resemblance to anything approaching a decent human being.

If you were being facetious, I apologize. You just seemed so sincere and clueless that it was utterly dumbfounding that anyone would say such things. But monsters will always manage to gain the support of a certain number of completely clueless people. It's just how our species works sometimes.

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (29543476) 9 years ago

I mean, his well-documented violation of human rights in Libya,

All thise stories about him and his family members abusing servants are based on witnesses, there were no actual proofs for those claims. Classic media war-fare.

I am from former Yugoslavia and there are many claims here too about Yugoslavian president Tito being a murderous tyrant. In fact, he waged war with mebers of Ustasha and Chetnik movements, colaborators of Nazies.

his sponsorship of terrorism (do look up the Lockerbie bombing for a good look at how a wonderful person like Gaddafi helped murder 250 innocent people, including children)

And what did the USA army do in the Gulf od Sidra? It is clearly Lybian teritory, the bay enteres their country and they were sending bombers in there and crashing Libyan planes with pilots in them. In addition, Gadaffi claims that he never said that the bomb was to be activated and he was only into a scare.

How many children did French and Americans kill while bombing Gadaffi? Oh no, he was using them as a shield. It is his fault. Why are you dropping bombs if you know there are children? What strange logic of them.

In addition, the whole world saw that the geneve convention was being broken. He was a war prisoner, he was torchured and murdered. Politicians that celebrate that are a disgrace.

his rape of Libya's wealth for his and his family's benefit

Yes, the country is clearly better of without him.

These are the reasons why he was attacked:
1. Sarkozy's and others debt to Gaddafi measured in billions.
2. Trying to find a new source of oil and gass for Europe. They are dependent of Russia and they want to break that dependence by importing it from Lybia.
3. International monetary funds feared that his intoduction of golden dinar would weaken their influence over Africa and decrease their profits.

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[–] Zanza8 9 years ago

Don't feed the troll!

http://thinkingoutloud-descartes.blogspot.com/

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (29543476) 9 years ago

I am not a troll.

Mentioning Hillary in a sitcom in such a positive context feels wrong to me. I watch the show, laughing, then suddenly that pops up and I feel trully awkward. Instantly when she is mentioned my first association is how she celebrates a war crime : torchuring and murdering a person. That interferes with my laughing mode. Maybe if I knew who Joe Bidden and the others are, I would mind mentioning them too. But I just know Hillary.

I actually stoped watching the show because of that.

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[–] Ghetto_Defendant 9 years ago

Then don't watch.

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (29543476) 9 years ago

I am not. I stopped in the beggining of season five.

I am free to discuss, though.

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[–] lazarillo 9 years ago

The character is first off, satirical, and, second off, has nothing to do with Hilary Clinton or any national US political happenings. So I would tend to say yes.

On the other hand, many Hilary haters seem to be quite pathological. Her bad judgment with the email servers leads them to somehow conclude that she must have practically planned Benghazi herself. She won't admit to whatever terrible crime they're convinced she committed, therefore she's a "liar". It's at least possible that since she decided to run for president that she really DOESN'T have anything to hide. I can accept that, but then I'm a reasonable person.

My point if you're another raving right-wing loon, I don't want to try to recommend what you should watch, even if its totally harmless entertainment like this.

"Let be be finale of seem/ The only emperor is the Emperor of Ice Cream"

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (29543476) 9 years ago

I never claimed that she had anything to do with planned attacks on Lybia.
But it is obvious that she supported it and that reaction to Gaddaffi's torchure and murder was inhumane and way over the top.

These other things you are ascribing to me are your own pathological construction.
I am actually a left wing. As I said numerous times, I don't know much about political situation in USA. I would say that, if Hillary is your representative of left wing, you have a problem.

In my country, Croatia, we now have a woman president , she was ambassador in US and she is right winged. Although she herself tries to be normal, the people she supports are heavy nationalists and fans of Nazi colaborators from Croatia, Ustasha organization.
she is also a fan of Hillary and speaks highly of her.

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (59774721) 9 years ago

You seem oddly fixated on the callous comments she made toward the death of Col. Gaddafi. He's been a very unpopular figure in the United States since the 1980s and most Americans did not mind seeing him go.

And no Hillary Clinton is not the poster child for the American leftists. she is a fairly right-wing politician with moderate views on social issues. Her and former president Bill Clinton are prominent figures in the "third way" movement that brought the Democratic party much closer to the right-wing about 25 years ago. Though I do expect to see that party return to democratic socialism in the decades to come.

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (29543476) 9 years ago

Yes, I am maybe oddly fixated on that. I just think that France and USA did a huge damage to the world with that action. It was the greatest mistake USA did since Vietnam and I fear that we will realize the full scope of that mistake in the upcoming European football championship to be held in France. It was a mindless operation with only financical interest as it's motivator.

At some time of his life, Gaddafi was a rebel, militant person and a terrorist, but he settled down in the 90's and became a lot more of a pacifist. Lybia wasn't involved in any war or terrorist act since 1989 to the best of my knowledge. Gadaffi even showed remorse for his terroristic acts and pay offs to the families of victims. It was not much for them, but it was something. He obvioulsy wasn't thinking clearly as he was provoked with constant violations of Lybian territory in Gulf of Sydra and shooting down his planes.

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[–] MoistTrout 8 years ago

You're flipping insane. And there is no such thing as "Democratic Socialism". It's a made up term. It would be like saying "healthy junk food".

Eskimo

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[–] darkavenger77 9 years ago

Can one think that Hillary Clinton is a devil and still like this show?

I've read through this thread and will add this:
The characters such as Leslie and my favorite Ron are caricatures of what writers think a liberal Democrat female and a Libertarian male are like.

While I can't answer as to liberal Democrat females, the way they portray Ron is over-the-top. He espouses having no government at all, which is anarchist, not Libertarian. Libertarians want limited (small) government. If the writers missed the mark with Ron, I'm sure they did so with Leslie also.

My answer to your question is yes. I dislike Clinton, Saunders, Trump, and most of the GOP candidates. I found the show until the last season to be enjoyable. Of course, what I enjoy another may not and vice-versa.

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