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Why do people keep calling Gwen black?


She clearly isnt black or looks black, so why do ignorant people keep calling her black? Are white people and americas so ignorant that they call anyone who has brown skin black?

She doesnt even call herself black, because shes not.

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It's not an American thing at all, it's a white thing. Anything darker than white, most people call black. It's particularly glaring in the case of people of mixed parentage: everyone calls Obama black, when in fact he's half and half; why are people who are half white, half black, always labelled according to the black half? Because, however we have progressed in terms of tolerance, belief in equality and justice, and all that, we still live in a white-centered society, psychologically speaking. White is the standard to which most brains refer, for obvious historical and cultural reasons, and anything departing from the standard is instinctively labelled according to that.

"Occasionally I'm callous and strange."

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Basically, youre trying to say that whites are ignorant, arrogant and racist.
I agree.


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Not in the least. That would be a horribly racist claim. And I don't know how you got that from my post, unless it is what you wanted to see in it regardless of what I wrote. What I did say was that there were historical and cultural reasons for that sort of statement. I didn't say it was right or wrong, I merely observed that it was no great mystery.

"Occasionally I'm callous and strange."

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Fair enough.

although the historical and cultural reasons (like the one drop rule) were born through racism.

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yeah, cos every single white person has the same believes and experiences just like every single black person has the same believes and experiences. Should I take that to mean that every black person is a thief cos I saw on the news that one ridiculous young black man (whose particular set of parents didn't teach him how to be a decent human being--but not every black person's parents) stole some candy bars from a convenience store? Ridiculous.
Just some food for thought,
Peace, Y'all!
Loralee :)

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Obama refers to himself as black. When he filled out the census back in 2009 I think it was, he checkmarked Black. He could have done multiracial.

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Half...caste? Wow, what an incredibly racist thing to call a person. Why don't you just call them half-breed or zebra? Sheesh. :P

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Half caste isn't considered racist in some parts of the world, you incredibly ignorant person. It's like going to a spanish or portuguese speaking country and whinging because they call africans negroes.

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"anything darker than white, most people call black" Baloney. Most people do not.
AND Obama calls himself black, so do you blame others for doing so?

Just some food for thought,
Peace, Y'all!
Loralee :)

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Bro she's black

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get your facts right

Shes half Indian.
1/4 black... BRO.

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So what would you call her then? Indie-african-caucasian chick? C'mon man, it's about simplifaction more than anything else I suspect.

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Er.. maybe you've heard of the fairly common term "mixed race"?

If it's about simplification, she would be called Indian, right?

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Is she? I really don't care either way.

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I don't think it's racist of people, merely ignorant, when people guess someone's race they go with what they think is closest and usually don't bother to find out. Take it from me I grew up in a white community, there was one girl in my class who was obviously Native American and all others to me we "white" people, over the years I've found out that many of the "white" people who were a little tanner than I there's were part Native American or Hispanic or something else, but since my community consisted only of white people and people of "color" in my community were of mixed race and not true "black" or "red" or "yellow" it's always been hard for me to tell someone's race. Where I live people were either white or white and part something else, I even have a little Native American heritage but I look "white" and it's not been until recently that we've had people of color who are not mixed race move into the area (it's a sheltered place) and at first it was shocking to see people of full color in our community, not in a bad way or anything but just something I hadn't really seen before, it made me feel like Brendan Frasier's character in Blast from the Past where he's lived in a bomb shelter all his life and when emerges meets an African American mail-woman and he exclaims "oh my lucky stars! A negro!" So I don't believe most people are racist, just sheltered, and mixing of the cultures and races living together and understanding each other is much needed. Since my racial radar is no good and is just a labeling tool I've decided to take the healthy step of tossing it out and just referring to people as people.

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I always thought she looked Maori. I prefer to call people by their names rather than their race.

To answer your question yes many people are ignorant.

"Do not call the tortoise unworthy because she is not something else" -Whitman

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I don't care what skin shade she has. I've always found her very pretty.

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Ignorance isn't limited to nationality or race. There's ignorant white people, ignorant Asians, ignorant black people, etc. Those blanket statements you made only show your own ignorance.

As for calling her black, I thought she was black too until someone on here said that she was part Indian and a fourth black. Big deal. I didn't think she was black because I thought she was an inferior being (because NO ONE is inferior because of color), I thought she was black because quite frankly, that's how she looks. People think I'm white all the time because that's how I look when I'm actually only half, but I don't get offended. People think my mom is Asian because of how she looks when she's actually Mexican, but she doesn't get offended because that's how she looks. Big deal.

It's just the damp of the first spring rain; I do not believe this darkness will endure. -Faramir

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I never said ignorance was limited to race or nationality.

She doesn't look like a typical black british woman. She looks mixed. If you were to say she looks like a black american, then maybe... considering black americans are mostly mixed and confused thanks to brainwashing from their former white masters.

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Lol African Americans are mixed but Black British look full black. very funny

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YOu do realize that pretty much every nation in our world had masters and slaves--of every 'color', yeah? Some nations still have slaves of African descent. I love how the whole wide world seems to think that the United States was this evil entity that had the GALL to enslave black people or any people at all, and no one else did.
Of the 11 million Africans shipped westward into slavery, only about 400,000 made it to the United States of America. Something to think about--seriously. That is a tiny percentage. Not saying it was right--no matter which was their receiving nation, but the reputation that the United States has in regard to this matter is more than a little misplaced.
Just some food for thought,
Peace, Y'all!
Loralee :)

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It's the same ignorant people who keep calling Porthos from BBC Musketeers "Black" who call Gwen the same, when clearly they are both Mixed race.

Don't think I don't understand loyalty just because I've got no one left to be loyal to.

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I'm calling Gwen black because in the show her father was black. Her brother was definitely black. What else do you expect people to think?

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What Slyther said, so much. If she wasn't black then her father and brother should have been Indian as everyone is claiming as well, not black. Sorry, she was cast as a black girl like it or not.

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so a half indian woman was caste as a black girl by the ignorant white producers at the BBC, so all other white people who think the actress is black should get a pass for their ignorance? white people have the best excuse for ignorance. it's like its genetic.

Anyway, i dont blame the half indian actress. god knows theres not enough acting roles for brits of any colour, so i wont hold it against her for snapping up the chance to get her career going and earn some money by playing a person of a different race.

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Im Black
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@Blackwhatever


Coulby is clearly a black woman-----exactly what is the "typical black British woman" supposed to look like,anyway. Black women come in all shapes and sizes just like anybody else. And there are black and Indian people too (pretty much most of the people in the Carribean,for one thing.) I don't know why you (and other people on this board) seem to think just because a black person is mixed that this automatically makes them "less than black"---she's clearly black and looks black,no matter what else she is. Bottom line----whatever she considers herself is up to her,not you me, or anyone else,period.

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I expect people (especially those in the UK) to think... hang on, she doesnt look black.

That was my thought.

the only people who can get a pass for their ignorance would be the americans.... as they're all mostly mixed race and seriously confused when it comes to racial and ethinc identity

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Im Black
Im Beliebing

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I find your remarks offensive regarding Americans. How dare you lump an entire nation of people into your small-minded views. The only racist that I see here is you.

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@BB

the only people who can get a pass for their ignorance would be the americans.... as they're all mostly mixed race and seriously confused when it comes to racial and ethinc identity


Ignorance about what? Trust, black people here in the U.S. have always had a very strong grasp on who we are always known who the hell we are because we're always had to, since we were first brought to America as slaves. You sound all arrogant about it, as if British folks have no racial problems----when you clearly do, and always have had you own racial issues to deal with. So get off your superiority soapbox,please. I seriously don't think you are really black because you sound racist as hell sometimes. I could care less about your pic---anybody could put up a pic of anything on here.

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She clearly blah blah blah
So you're both stupid and racist. Well, I guess that's to be expected. Racist is usually accompanied by either ignorant or stupid. Your posts demonstrate it's clearly on the stupid side.

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