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Silly premise all wrong: J-Police would NOT shoot/kill suspect


First of all, I love this film. And it really should have been in 3D. Man that would have been awesome.

However, as someone who has lived in Japan (Tokyo) and is well aware of their strict anti-drug laws, un-leniant criminal sentencing structure and borderline-racist immigration policies, I found the whole premise of this movie (cops shoot unarmed kid suspected of dealing drugs) so absurb and laughable that it almost ruined the movie for me.

Anyone familiar with Japanese culture and/or law can tell you that Japanese police would never, ever, ever, ever shoot at a suspect just because of drugs, and certainly not blindly through a door. It categorically would never happen.

Also, the part about the Japanese police lying that Oscar was carrying a gun was beyond stupid. The Japanese are the one if not only culture we can trust NOT to lie, especially the police. And even if they did, there were so many witnesses there to refute them. And how could they produce a stolen gun with prints at the very last moment? No, the Japanese might be cruel and heartless, but they are not dirty liars.

All the director had to do was swap out the police with the yakuza, then the story line would have been perfectly believeable.

I just can't believe that no one has pointed out the profound implausibility of the premise of this film. Not even the Japanese press. And I am surprised that the Japanese permitted it in their theaters.

Read this article for more info about cops and guns in Japan if you don't want to take my word for it:

http://www.davekopel.com/2A/Foreign/Japan-Gun-Control-and-People-Contr ol.htm

"The police carry guns, but rarely shoot them, instead using their black belts in judo or police sticks. In an average year, the entire Tokyo police force only fires six shots...In a top-down society such as Japan, when the government disarms itself, it creates a powerful moral climate for citizens to do the same."

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Completely right, dude. I just don´t know, I haven´t seen the film myself, but from what I´ve read, seen, heard about this, I guess is a kind of a metaphor or symbolic stuff about getting f*uck in the ass. But as what you said about it, kind of understand what you mean about the realism of the scen. So, I guess that was the point of the director, using that fantasy scene to get to the point of the scene. Because someone said to me, that the end when you see the dick penetrating the vagina is like an image trying to simulate that is f*ucking your head. A personal interpretation.

So, there you have it. Still, seems a great mise-en-scene filmmaking work.

P.S. Waiting for anybody to upload that piece of filmmaking, anyway.

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How is it silly??? Oscar says behind a close door that "i have a gun i will shoot" so why wouldn' they shoot him?

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Exactly what I was thinking. If I was a cop and someone was behind a door and said "I have a gun. I will shoot," I would probably shoot him too.

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That's not how the police would respond. They would try to negotiate. If that failed, they might either wait him out or tear-gas him. But they would never shoot through a door, especially because there might be more than one person in there. And whoever was in there had not fired any shots at anyone.

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Your just wrong. There's no sympathy with the cops when they're dealing with drug dealers. Especially if there is a direct threat on their lives.

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And this is something you say from the perspective of the Japanese police? Did you even read the headline of this thread?

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That might happen in the U.S. but it's silly because this is Japan and it would NEVER happen in Japan. Trust me. Most cops don't even carry guns. I've spent several years in Japan and I couldn't help laughing when I watched that scene for the first time. Great movie, though.

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Just saying youve a gun is no justification for anyone to fire in any police of any civilised country. A police officer would get in trouble. And I think even in the fire-away friedly USA such an incident would bring trouble (no gun found). After all an unarmed boy was shot and if not the police has to make sure of a definite threat before taking such drastic action, then who else has?

And countries like Japan (or UK) are not compareable with the US police on top of that.
Maybe you ppl are already damaged by Hollywood. Like propaganda brainwashed.

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just watch the movie. while I can't say you're 100% wrong, you and your friend are assuming way too much

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Everything you said, Gaspar said during the Q&A. It is just a movie.

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Exactly, it's a movie you were entertained, Gaspar got the point across.


Plus, Gaspar thought of many choices as where to shoot the film in the world until he settled in Japan, which was perfect for the tone and atmosphere of the movie regardless if you think it's "silly" because of a 5 minute scene



sorry a bullet almost ruined a movie for you

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It's an interesting point the OP raises. I bought the gun-toting Japanese cops cos I'm unfamiliar with Japanese culture. I think the explanation of Oscar saying 'I'm gonna shoot' holds water tho. If it's a film I'm really into I can never accept this 'it's only a film' line. I believe to truly immerse oneself in a film you have to buy into ''the film's reality'' even if this rarely corresponds to ''real reality''

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crystalxcity, don't get me wrong, i adore this movie, and filming it in japan made it all the more special for me because i lived there! tokyo was the perfect city for this story, absolutely. moreover, i'm all for suspension of disbelief when watching a film, especially a fantasy movie like this. however, gasper really should have done his due dilligence into japanese law enforcement before turning the tokyo police into gun-slinging shoot-em-up loose cannons, because it just would not have gone down like that in real life, and i think most film makers strive for at least a semblance of accuracy. anyhow, i'm sure gasper's japanese fans are groaning in their seats, but still it was a fantastic movie and i intend on watching it again and again...

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It was all a bad trip dude. He never left his room after smoking that heroin. Everyone knows when you die nothing really happens.

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This movie wasn't good. That said, you've got to be kidding me about the cops being unrealistically depicted. Did you not notice that Tokyo seemed to not have a population at all? This film takes place in a mythical reality. Its Noe's little microcosm, like the guy who has a model replication of Tokyo in his room. I find it hard to believe that you picked up on the cop thing but not on the fact that there are no Japanese people living in Tokyo.

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It was DMT not herion. DMT is an extremely powerful hallucinogenic said to induce out of body experiences and voyages into unseen lands. It is also a chemical that is released into the brain when you die. It was not herion dude. You are right that it 'could' have just been a bad trip though.

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It was DMT. You don't trip on heroin.

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Yes I agree. I spent part of the film trying to work out if the cops were being paid off to kill him or something... because I just knew it was unlikely they would shoot EVEN if he said he had a gun. In real life they would just take cover from outside the toilet and call in riot police or something...

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Wow. This is pathetic. If you don't think there are plenty of untrained police out there not fit for the job, take a look at American police who kill unarmed black people all the time, WITHOUT them even yelling that they have a gun and are about to shoot.

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Oscar said he had a gun and was going to use it. Cop knew english and panicked. What more do you need to know?



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yeah didnt he scream i have a gun ill shoot while he was in the bathroom.

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I often see these kinds of threads when a foreign director makes a film set in another country, and I'm always confused by them.

Do you think films set in America realistically portray American even half the time? Pretty much no police force in the world would just shoot down a person like that (okay maybe in some insane country, but no developed/civilized country).

The film wasn't about Japan, it was just set in Japan. And coincidently it made me really want to go to Tokyo.

I'm not even sure how a Japanese person could say ETV made Japan look bad. Look at the kind of films you guys export! Ichi the Killer?

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Dude, there's tons of police brutality and absurdly excessive use of violence in America. Obviously the craziest stuff has got to be the exception, or we'd all be dead by now, but as an American I didn't even think twice about what the police did in this scene. It's actually refreshing to read that somebody watched it and thought "that would never happen."

On topic with the plot, I wonder if his friend (sorry, I'm a face person) told the police that he was doing something more extreme and dangerous to get them to arrest him. Although it probably wasn't his intention to get the guy killed. OK, I'm blanking on the main character's name too, *beep*

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Thank you. I nearly typed Alex for some reason.

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@unamerican I agree with you about Jap cops. Gaspar Noe wrote the plot not thinking in Tokyo but any city, by the way he is from Argentina (and guess what the police can do in south america?), for many years Noe was working this movie and gathering the money for it.
Tokyo was the best location for the producers and for the FX ambient... the old and stinky pull-chain toilet a place in Buenos Aires the best location in Gaspar´s mind.
Independ film makers can do that and more... just for example the casting was done by Gaspar himself and the names of the characters are valid names in spanish in english and others languages "Oscar", "Victor", "Linda", "Alex" in fact the story could be set at any big city, the NYC from "Taxi Driver" or the "Cidade de Deus" from Brazil or the London from "A Clockwork Orange". There are not "Silly" cities but hardcore plots with all right premises: shooting at your senses.

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this whole post is stupid. the cops shot because he said he was going to shoot. that's all that needs to be said. i didnt bother reading anything past the original post because that's what happened. to say it wouldn't is a lie..it can happen and it happened to oscar. the OP failed to realize what oscar screamed out moments before he died rendering this all very, very useless.

let the hate mail ride.



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For me even more unrealistic was the sister just sitting and crying when she got the voice mail at her cell phone that says her brother was shot and Victor said they killed him.

I mean...Anyone else felt that would be much more realistic she just ran to check what really happened before sit and cry (a lot, by the way)?

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ye, such a shame with the rest of the movie entirely making sense.

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"The Japanese are the one if not only culture we can trust NOT to lie, especially the police."

I'm sorry? We're talking about the culture who, to this day, denies their World War 2 war crimes and even censors/alters recounts of things like the Rape of Nanjing on a national educational level.

That line just stood out to me as being absurd. If anything, the Japanese are VERY good at lying. I don't know who else can continually stick their fingers in their years and scream 'it's not true' when everyone else in the world knows they're full of it.

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Japan does not deny WW2 crimes. And the only "censoring" of Rape of Nanjing is in not detailing rape and pictures of dead bodies in childrens text books, you moron. The Japanese crimes in WW2 are factually explained in upper-high school student text books. They just don't go into detail with repeated pages telling students that "Japan sucks". Big *beep* surprise.

Japan OFFICIALLY recognises it's role and has accepted responsibility. The only "denial" anyone has raged about has been when they factually state that head goverment officials did not specifically demand or endorse those actions and stated quite clearly that it was an issue of lack of government reigning in of overseas troops by use of plausible deniability.

For *beep* sake, a Japanese general who had absolutely no part in one of the massacres and was physically unable to control his troops was executed for war crimes. When he COMMITTED none.

Japan officially admitted it's crimes. It also paid war reparations for it's crimes. To this day it teaches it's students about it's crimes.

That it chooses to not spend an eternity paying for crimes the current generation did not commit doesn't make them "liars" or mean they are ignoring what they've done at all.

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