Sorry because I do not subscribe to the woke/anti woke polemic, but it is impossible to deny that this movie is following a clear set of rules and preaching what is positive and negative.
And if you watch it objectively like I did, you might get annoyed by the constant, forced pandering.
I did not feel this at all in the original Predator, but that is a great film.
I think this agenda ruined this one.
I presume you meant to write "agenda" rather than "ageda". Based upon the trails, I'm not surprised to read that this flick is pushing a girl power message, though I must say, more than a couple of reviews from thoroughly anti-woke reviewers actually said this one wasn't all that terrible. Hope springs eternal
shareAnd if you watch it objectively like I didshare
Yeah, and for people who don't know what you're talking about:
1: Naru tells everybody what they should be doing and is never wrong.
2: Naru has zero fear of anything, only in one instance with the Predator and the bear.
3: Naru constantly tries to hunt things trying to literally kill her with no qualms about the dangers.
4: Naru fights the Predator in hand-to-hand combat, dismembers it, stabs it, ties it up, rips out its mandible and drags it down to the ground.
5: Naru can survive multiple Predator attacks whereas everyone else (and everything else) gets one-shotted by the Predtaor.
6: All the males act like Twitter parodies save for her brother, who is essentially used as a plot anchor to reinforce that Naru was always right.
7: Naru has the strength of three men (literally fighting three grown men in hand-to-hand combat)
8: Naru has super-human strength, capable of brushing off a bear trap without any fractured or broken bones.
9: Naru can overcome metabolic shock after bringing her body temperature down to 35 degrees Celsius and then instantly engage in high-intensity hand-to-hand, physical combat.
10: Naru has no qualms about multiple near-death encounters and psychologically brushes off every near-death experience as if it's nothing, something even Arnold couldn't do, as he was in pure shock at the end of the film flying away in the helicopter.
That sums it up.
But I am fine with a hero being always right and better than everybody else (although it makes for pretty poor writing).
What bothered me was how all this never felt natural nor logical.
It is never explained nor sold to the audience.
It just happens because they had an agenda and wanted this to happen, so they forced it in the script and on their audience.
But I am fine with a hero being always right and better than everybody else (although it makes for pretty poor writing).
What bothered me was how all this never felt natural nor logical.
She was not good at hunting. Throughout the entire film she fails multiple times.
shareThroughout the entire film she fails multiple times.
She did not defeat the predator in hand to hand combat. It got stuck and she made it kill itself.
shareHow did it get stuck?
Nice trying to weasel around the obvious.
It got stuck because she was beating it in hand-to-hand combat, and then she tied it up, and then DRAGGED it to the quicksand so it could get stuck.
Had the fight continued it obviously would have won. You apparently didn't watch the film. It explains a lot your taste in cinema is garbage. You like trash like the expendables. Which is a garbage film. The predator killed all the hunters which were superior hunters to her. Did she have the ability to life the bear and kill it like that? Nope which is why she had to outsmart the predator. You are ignorant buddy.
shareShe didn't outsmart the Predator, she somehow managed to out-fight the Predator.
Here watch this clip:
https://youtu.be/J_xyLAGGEgQ?t=203
Noticed something? The prisoner did the exact same thing Naru did, and the Berserker Predator threw the prisoner on the ground and ripped out his spine in one move.
Why didn't the Feral Predator do that to Naru after she jumped on him TWICE?
If you had watched the film the predator was apprehensive about killing her, it did not see her as a threat at first. Therefore it held back in many ways. It underestimated her.
share"Remember, it was the other boy taunting her that distracted her from seeing the lion approaching the tree."
Or ir was her flashing her ego that got him killed?
"ly to later admit she was right and that she did get the lion" - I don't remember that part, or I remember it different. I remember him saying that he killed the lion but that she was right because HE killed it the way she said to do it.
"There was always some other circumstance" not really: she was trying to hunt wabbits and got none.
The tales of Hercules bored the residents of Athens who were educated. They very much preferred Theseus who while having more smarts was not quite as invincible.
shareWhat bothered me was how all this never felt natural nor logical.
Thats cos your obsessed with searching for and cataloguing "woke" , if you'd just enjoy the movie for what it is it would have felt more natural.
Stupid as always...
Like I said in my OP, I couldn't care less about woke or anti woke.
Yeah, and for people who don't know what you're talking about:
All that shit you listed is just what action heroes do in films.
No its not realistic , a lot of it is impossible, but when a man does it you're fine with it.
I guess you havent seen The Princess yet, that movie was even worse.
shareBecause in real life men DO perform many of the feats we see in action films.
As a refresher:
• Donnie Yen beat up eight guys at once in hand-to-hand combat and hospitalized them:
https://goodyfeed.com/real-life-donnie-yen-sent-8-men-hospital-coz-disturbed-gf/
• Spec Ops saved multiple civilians by covertly extracting them while in hostile controlled territory:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-special-operations-vets-carry-daring-mission-save/story?id=79670236
• Mike Day managed to carry out his missions and proved to be an archetype for bravery, even after being shot 27 times (there has never been an action hero shot that many times in a movie, not even John Wick):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD6J-hzAw0E
• Navy Seal gets shot but still managed to save a little girl...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-hQlGmcfDE
and an elderly man:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Y9xpaf-2Y
• Cowboy stops armed robber:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykJ7pyr87Qc
• Marine stops armed robber:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p5oKIDYtDE
• Average dude subdues robber on train:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s92Q9AuL2Eo
• Man knocks out robber at the pharmacy:
https://youtu.be/M8PQmJI2cQo
• Man knocks out three men in an elevator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCFNvsjMs2Y
• 1 vs 5 and the guy knocks out his aggressors before cops show up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKxJlQ31jy8
The action movies are exaggerated depictions of real life scenarios (as showcased in the videos above). There are no real life scenarios where women perform the same feats as men. This is why we can suspend our disbelief when we see men perform these actions on screen, because in many cases, they have happened in real life, opposite of the feats we see women performing on-screen.
But now it's your turn.
I don't expect any woman to match Donnie Yen's impressive hospitalization of eight men, but you should be able to post up a video or two of a woman fighting two men at once and winning, right? Maybe a video of a woman disarming a robber using her kung-fu skills like we see in the movies, yeah?
Woman lifts car off of child:
https://sarahcottrell.medium.com/this-mom-lifted-a-car-off-her-trapped-child-and-so-can-you-8e13d6223863
Mother and daughter stop robber in shootout:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rng_zNl-vQ
Now there are lots more stories like these.. But you will have to look them up for yourself. You have no idea what a woman is capable of when she is fighting for her life and those of the ones she loves.. Get out of that narrow mindset..
Mother and daughter stop robber in shootout:
Woman lifts car off of child:
female martial artist stops bullies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj6CrC5tpKM
Black woman knocks out man:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WXls2Br-cQ0
LOL.... wow... what reaches...
female martial artist stops bullies:
Black woman knocks out man:
Since when was it stated the predator movies are based in reality? I like how male action heroes are aloud to defy reality but women can not. No one is disputing men being physically superior to women. A predator film is not based in reality nor are action heroes.
shareThey're grounded in enough reality to suspend disbelief, especially the first film.
None of my disbelief was suspended for Prey, because I know every aspect of the film regarding Naru was 200% unrealistic.
Grounded enough doesn't mean reality. Predator is a sci-fi fantasy.
No one cares about your suspension of belief. Others do not need your stamp of approval in order to enjoy a film and consider it good.
Guns are only equalizers if you have the courage to use them.. Those women did. You would have people believe that as soon as things get scary women just cower away and start sobbing.
sharethat is literally the definition of a Mary Sue.
the Predator was cool though with all his gadgets.
Yeah, I thought they depicted the Predator well up until he had to fight Naru.
I see all these excuses about why he lost in hand-to-hand combat, and people constantly saying, "bUt sHE dIdN't usE pHysIcal sTreNgth tO bEAt hIm" even while we clearly see that she does use physical prowess to best him in hand-to-hand combat and literally dragged him off his feet, which is literally physically impossible for someone her size. It's like a Pomeranian being able to drag a grown man off his feet.
1. Dutch tells everybody what they should be doing and is never wrong
2. Dutch has zero fear of anything, only in one instance where he punches the Predator and it has no effect
3. Dutch constantly tries to hunt things trying to kill him with no qualms about the danger.
4. Dutch fights the Predator in hand to hand combat, punches it in the face; stabs it with a spear and kills it by dropping a log on its head.. In future Predator movies we see tha they are so strong that it would be impossible to kill one in that fashion.
5. Dutch can survive several Predator attacks, crushing shots to the ribs and jaw which would should have broken every bone in his body when you consider that Predators have the strength to knock out bears with on shot to the jaw.
6. All of Dutch's men are treated as unskilled, untrained saps who can't even keep track of a scared woman despite being the elite of the elite.. They are also one shotted by the Predator.
7. Naru was a better skilled fighter than the French men if that is who you are talking about. She was trained by her brother.
8. Dutch has superhuman strength able to brush off several shots to the ribs, sternum and jaw. Which should have broken several bones yet is still able to run at full speed when he realized that the Predator was about to nuke the area.
9. That is not uncommon for several people today; especially those in special forces of the military.. in high stress situations adrenaline kicks in and the body can do amazing things.. Naru and her brother and the other hunters were the special forces of their time.
10. That is just called being mentally tough and fighting for your life.. You are used to the scenario where women break down and cry as soon as the shit hits the fan.. Trust me not all women are like this. I have seen some go toe to toe with grown men in fights. Hell you can find videos of this on YouTube.
Seems to me these are all things that we see from the hero in any movie.. (cont.)
Be that hero male or female.. You seem to have no problem accepting these tropes when it is the male who is dominate.. But find some kind of conspiracy when the protagonist is a woman. Truth be told Naru killed her Predator in a far more plausible way than Dutch killed his.. She killed her adversary by using his own technology against him. Dutch stopped his with a giant log.
shareDutch didn't kill the Predator, the Predator killed itself. At most, Dutch just briefly incapacitated the Predator, but the Predator rigged his bomb before Dutch could get the kill.
Also, I have a problem when fantasy flies wildly in the face of reality. No woman can beat a man in hand-to-hand combat at equal weight.
No real life woman will ever show the mental fortitude Hollywood has imbued to its impossible super heroine female leads.
No real life woman will ever be able to achieve the physical feats Hollywood depicts. But you know what? Some men WILL and HAVE done some of the things we've seen in Hollywood action films.
I even listed them here:
https://moviechat.org/tt11866324/Prey/630074e515502776c14e3a74/This-film-has-an-agenda?reply=63092b3ac52e8f4eda4019ba
Now feel free to find an equivalent list of women achieving the same thing in real life that they are depicted as doing in the movies. Can't? Tough luck. Thanks for proving me right.
Girl beats down guy on train:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sQUoYxUnYk
....It pays to fact check:
"That's not a dude; its a lesbian. Gotta give the smaller girl credit because not only is she a foot shorter but she didn't take her bookbag off. Still, she stomped her opponent."
1. Dutch was lied to by Dillon, and obviously didn't know everything and was wrong about the way they could trap the Predator.
2. Dutch is an experienced elite soldier, and even he was afraid of the Predator multiple times, which is how he ended up crawling the mud... AFRAID.
3: Dutch absolutely has qualms about the dangers, hence why he was angry at Dillon for lying to him because he didn't know exactly what the dangers were.
4. Dutch's punches did ZERO damage to the Predator. Next.
5. Dutch was at least 250 lbs, and likely did suffer lots of broken and dislocated bones, hence why he was broken and slumped in the helicopter at the end, opposite of Naru who showed ZERO signs of fatigue or damage.
6. Dutch's men damaged the Predator first before Dutch did, and took out an entire base of guerrillas.
7. There is literally no teenage girl in real life capable of beating up a grown man in hand-to-hand combat. It's never happened, it's pure fantasy.
8. It's called adrenaline. Stone Cold Steve Austin managed to pin Owen Hart after being paralyzed by having his neck broken.
9. No they were not. Naru was a teenager who was 85lbs and Commanche did not train their women to be hunters. All of that is made-up fiction.
10. Because that's exactly what happens in real life, like here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KRQGfYfAoU
Here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh2tn7dZVOs
And here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTY9FaQbUuc
1. Naru was afraid of the lion and proven wrong about being ready to hunt it when she was nearly killed and had to be carried back to the camp.. (so she wasn't perfect)
2. Naru was a skilled and experienced tracker and hunter.. As I stated she and her tribe would have been considered the elite soldiers of her time. Dutch was never really afraid of the Predator until he realized that he couldn't beat him in a fight.(again as I stated)
3. Naru also had qualms about dangers which is why she was trying to hide from the French until she realized they were about to kill her dog, then she acted. Using combat skills that she learned from her tribe and the weapon that she had been practicing with. She also showed trepidation about helping the man who had one foot. Because she thought he might try something underhanded.
4. If you read my original post.. I SAID THAT DUTCH'S PUNCHES HAD ZERO EFFECT.. So what do you mean next. And Naru never tried to punch the Predator. She stabbed him.
5, But Dutch still had the ability to run with several broken bones and likely internal damage from the Predators blows. Have somebody take a bat and crack your ribs and brake your jaw with them and see if you can run. If you are not going to accept Naru being able to run after being caught in a bear trap. Then you can't accept Dutch being able to run with cracked ribs and internal bleeding.
6. Naru's brother was also able to damage the Predator.. She wasn't the only one to hurt it.
7. I disagree with you on that as I have seen it myself. The entire Predator franchise is fantasy.. What is your point.
8. If you are going to accept the adrenaline argument when Dutch is fighting/running then accept it when Naru is doing the same.
9. You have no idea what the Commanche trained their women to be. Weight has no bearing when it comes to tracking and hunting. It only matters if you know how to use your weapon.. As one of the male hunters said. So she practiced.
1. Wrong. She still killed it, but the only reason she wasn't "ready" was because the Twitter parody of a sexist distracted her from when the lion came. Her brother later congratulates her and says she was right about the lion.
2. No they wouldn't. Women weren't allowed to hunt in the Commanche back then. It's pure fan-fiction and historical revisionism, especially girls at that age.
3. No amount of training (hunting rabbits) would give an 85lbs teenage girl strength to physically over power three full grown men.
4. She literally ripped out his mandible with her bare hands and stabbed him in the throat with it. Even Dutch didn't have the physical strength to do that while he was being choked.
5. Yes, because plenty of people have run with cracked ribs. In fact, Romo won the Cowboys game with a cracked rib: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1GzBtvGxnc
NO ONE can run with a broken leg from a bear trap.
6. I still call BS on that, but they killed him off so he couldn't get any glory from the kill. And they still minimized that by having Naru do EVEN MORE damage to the Predator in hand-to-hand combat.
7. Fantasy grounded in some sort of realism is what helps suspend disbelief. Just like with Alien -- just because xenomoprhs don't exist doesn't mean the laws of physics and basic reality get thrown out with it. Reality helps ground the story.
8. There are no 85lbs teenagers surviving a bear trap and running around fighting in hand-to-hand combat with a 500lbs monster.
9. The Commanche were unceremoniously brutal and did not allow women to hunt, nor learn the ways of hunting to graduate to becoming a warrior... ever:
https://www.toptenz.net/10-facts-feared-comanche-tribe.php
No man, don't embarrass yourself.
Dutch is a trained, skilled, hardened commando leader.
The movie shows many times how he is wrong, how he gets bested, how he has no chance against the predator.
It also shows how he needs luck and intelligence and all of his skills and knowledge to (barely) win.