This may seems to be a stupid question as it is very obvious in the film. However, I still want to confirm this.
Also, Miss G was reading some letters about Fiamma, what are these letters about?
I'm not a native English speaker and I couldn't figure this out when watching it.
Thanks
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This board's discussion (beyond the particular film) reminded me of an incident I had forgotten about. In 1978 I attended the London Film Festival, and caught Jorn Donner's Finnish movie titled MEN CAN'T BE RAPED. It was quite a poor film, which of course has sunk without a trace (though I'm sure some film buffs in Scandinavia might remember it).
Donner was trying to make some sort of statement, not satirical, about a woman raping a man as revenge for having been raped (several decades before the similar premise in THE GIRL WITH THE DRAGON TATTOO, also Scandinavian). I found it quite unconvincing, and to this day don't know what his position on feminism/Women's Rights Movement actually was. Right after the film at a Q&A I asked the simple question concerning the film's theme and title: what about men raping men -as so frequently occurs in prison? He dismissed my question and didn't reply at all -a typical, pompous filmmaker.
The point is that, disregarding some legalistic definition of "rape", what we commonly call rape can be carried out by man or woman, and using foreign objects instead of a penis.
"Three quarters of what is said here can be completely discounted as the raving of imbeciles" - Donald Wolfit in Blood of the Vampire (1958)
The legal definition of rape is not relevant. There was a criminal sexual assault.
shareOnly in the film is Miss G considered to be "raping" the younger girl without her consent.
In the book, all of the girls are fascinated by Miss G, and even have physical "crushes" on her, all except for Fiamma. In the book, Fiamma's past is never fully explored, although it's certainly hinted at that she's had a scandalous past, and has even allowed Miss G certain sexual liberties.
But whereas in the film Miss G is the clear-cut "villain," that's not so much the case in the book, where the overwhelming jealousies of the other female students takes the center-stage!
Massive spoiler in the header of the thread.
shareActually, she molested her. She couldn't fight back, so it wouldn't be rape.We can conclude this from Fiamma saying that she knew what she did to her and she'd make sure everyone knew the truth about Ms. G.
And the letters were possibly from Fiamma's family to the school explaining why they sent her there. After reading these letters, Ms. G did mention a scandal.
You *beep* idiot. "She couldn't fight back, so it wouldn't be rape."
That is precisely what rape is.
Do you think a woman has to be screaming and hitting her rapist in order for it to effectively be rape? *beep* you. Learn something. Fiamma was passed out. Ms. G sexually assaulted her, no consent was given. Once more: *beep*. you.
A black cat crossing your path signifies that the animal is going somewhere.
You're fully welcomed to your own opinion. Suggest that you educate yourself on the meaning of both terms and find a better word in the English language to express your disapproval rather than whatever word the "beep" signifies. :)
share"she couldn't fight back, so it wouldn't be rape"
Congratulations! You've won 1st prize in the 'most idiotic comment ever written on IMDB' competition. You must be so proud.
Seriously though, I'm wondering whether you really meant to say that. You can't truly think that people who are incapable of physically 'fighting back' can not be raped. By that definition, defenseless children, people who have had drugs slipped into their drinks, the frail or elderlderly, indeed, anyone who is physically overpowered by another, can not be raped either. You *have* to know how insane that sounds. And how offensive your assertion is.
Everything I've ever told you has been a lie. Including that - George Spiggott
The point is she is a child who was sexually assaulted. She was molested. It's the same thing as being raped but it's a term used when the victims are minors.
shareThe point is she is a child who was sexually assaulted. She was molested. It's the same thing as being raped but it's a term used when the victims are minors.
shareSo now you're saying that the definition of rape has nothing to do whether the victim is able to fight back or not?
"She was molested. It's the same thing as being raped but it's a term used when the victims are minors."
You're talking about semantics? Same meaning just different terminology?
That's interesting, because you yourself made the distinction with:
"Actually, she molested her. She couldn't fight back, so it wouldn't be rape"
I'm sure you'll understand any confusion felt after reading these seemingly contradictory statements.
According to the film (as opposed to the book) we can't be certain whether Fiama was actually raped or not. We don't know how far that assault went. You are correct when you say that sexual assault took place. But, if Miss G penetrated her in any way, either with a body part or an object then yes, that would mean Fiama was raped. And since we're not in a court of law at present, let's for the sake of clarity, just call it by its most commonly understood term.
Everything I've ever told you has been a lie. Including that - George Spiggott
Whatever.
share"Miss G... abuses her position of trust by sexually abusing the unconscious girl." -- British Board Of Film Classification.
shareStupid, stupid, stupid
'nuff said
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