This may seems to be a stupid question as it is very obvious in the film. However, I still want to confirm this.
Also, Miss G was reading some letters about Fiamma, what are these letters about?
I'm not a native English speaker and I couldn't figure this out when watching it.
Thanks
Yes Miss G raped Fiamma. Miss G was in love with Fiamma, well obsessed is the word! anyway after the feast Fiamma Miss G took back to her room where she passed out... there she touched and kissed her.
All we see is Miss G groping and kissing her, nothing else.
The letters weren't readable, but the words "scandalous" etc. were visible, and Miss G talks about a Countess (possibly Fiamma) running away with a peasant
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Dont be so effing lame. What did u want the filmmakers to do, make it child pornography, fool?? Of course she sexually assaulted her, ALL NIGHT, at that! That's how Femma found out what she did! She woke up & caught her in the morn. Use y'alls God-given common sense & imagination
<SPOILERS AHEAD!> It's not necessary to know exactly what Miss G did with Fiamma. You can use your imagination, having watched Miss G's obsession with Fiamma growing, and the opportunity she took of Fiamma being unconscious. It's enough to know that Miss G felt it necessary to let Fiamma die at the end to preserve her reputation.
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Thats rape. Shes passed out out and is not giving consent.
shareYou dont see anything so no, not really. also how the hell can a woman rape another woman? They dont have the equipment for it. Its more like assault.
shareI think its possible for another woman to do that, you don't need a man's body part to do such thing :P
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The act of rape requires a penis.
(a) the introduction (to any extent) by a person of his penis into the
vagina, anus or mouth of another person, whether or not there is
emission of semen; or
(b) the introduction (to any extent) by a person of an object or a part of
his or her body (other than the penis) into the vagina or anus of
another person, other than in the course of a procedure carried out in
good faith for medical or hygienic purposes;
IT IS a stupid question. A woman cant rape another woman. They dont have a penis.
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You think. Could you Google it and confirm, and come back with the results? Seriously, I'd be interested to know. (If you're right, then maybe the UK law needs to catch up with other jurisdictions?)
I'd appreciate it if you didn't call me or other posters a "moron", please. Totally uncalled for. I practise criminal law in Australia, so I actually know what I'm talking about with respect to my jurisdiction; the other poster may well be correct in relation to his/her jurisdiction too. The Crimes Act 1958 (Vic) defines rape as forcible sexual penetration by ANY means - it has done since the 1991 amendments. The definition I posted is taken verbatim from section 35 of that Act, and rape is defined in section 38, if you don't accept what I'm saying. We have no such terminology as "serious sexual assault" - it's either rape, attempted rape, indecent assault, or (for offences involving children) indecent act with a child under 16 or sexual penetration of a child under 16. Incest if the perpetrator is a family member.
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However, there's also this:
Causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent
(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a)he intentionally causes another person (B) to engage in an activity,
(b)the activity is sexual,
(c)B does not consent to engaging in the activity, and
(d)A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
(2)Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.
(3)Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.
(4)A person guilty of an offence under this section, if the activity caused involved—
(a)penetration of B’s anus or vagina,
(b)penetration of B’s mouth with a person’s penis,
(c)penetration of a person’s anus or vagina with a part of B’s body or by B with anything else, or
(d)penetration of a person’s mouth with B’s penis,
is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.
(5)Unless subsection (4) applies, a person guilty of an offence under this section is liable—
(a)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both;
(b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years.
In the USA the states each have different statutes regarding non consenual sexual activity. In California the top three are rape, sexual assualt and sodomy if it involves the anus. I do not have the time to look up the extensive penal code on each one. While the public may call it rape, the legal definitions differ.
sharei'm glad you posted this, sekhmet.
shareYou just don't have enough imagination.
I still believe that peace and plenty and happiness can be worked out some way. I am a fool.
If you honestly think this, than your living in the wrong decade.
shareAre you *beep* kidding me? It's entirely possible for a woman to rape another woman. What a bunch of childish, uneducated posters on this board. Wow. It's sad that many men still think this way. I've worked in the government field for quite some time and have found that it's probably more harsh, the act of rape between two women than it is between a man and a woman. This is why women don't come forward about lesbian rape, because society is still ignorant about this issue. An issue that has long been avoided and not taken seriously. Women who have been subject to lesbian rape have a higher suicide rate than women in heterosexual rape. Take a few college classes. Please, for the love of God, educate yourselves before spouting off ignorant, and moronic posts. Then again, I don't mind because then the readers of this board can see how ridiculous you two look.
share^^THIS!! I only read the first two sentences but that's all I needed to read!
shareI agree. They need to take sex ed again and figure out the female anatomy. It's hard to believe anyone is that naive or dumb this day and age.
shareYou are right, but I'm sorry for you : you sound frustrated and obnoxious.
shareIt most certainly does NOT! That is a male ego talking.
shareNo, it doesn't. Not legally, or by anyone who knows what they're talking about....
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You are completely wrong. Sexual assaault involving penetration is the definition of rape. Check your local laws.
shareNot true. People have been raped with objects, too.
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They could've just showed that, I haven't seen the movie - but there are objects women can use on other women. If you read the book, then you'd pretty much know this.
Raping is when you force some kind of sex on them by inserting something into them, just because she doesn't have a body part to do so, doesn't mean she doesn't have the ability to rape another female.
Forcing sexual intercourse doesn't just mean using a man's part. A woman can rape another woman with her hand, forcing oral sex on her or by using another object.
shareWhatever your definition of "rape" is, the psychological repercussions are the same.
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Ann - "Is this the elevator?"
Joe - "Eh, this is my ROOM."
Yeah, I believe she molested her, but there was no rape as in the straight sense.
I'd like to read the scene comparisons between book and film.
Can anyone transcribe them, kindly?
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I don't remember there being a rape in the book but I could be wrong. The movie and the book are quite different. I prefer the movie.
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I've read tons of moronic statements on the Internetz but this one takes the cake. Congrats.
-prence
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You are a idiot. Women can and have raped other women. You don't read about as often because it doesn't happen as often and when it does the person who was raped is to embarassed to talk about it. But even saying they don't have the equipment for it is just stupid. Plus umm hello moron there are such things as you know SEX TOYS. They could also use house hold things like the handle(or even the bristle end) of a hair brush, The end of something like a broom. They could pretty much use anything.
sharein the us rape is defined as penetration,without consent of any object,fingers,penis etc,
sharerape is not strictly defined as penile penetration.
shareWomen rape other women all the time. Rape used to mean being sexually penetrated without consent but now the term is like an umbrella for all types of sexual assault. If you are unconscious and you are being groped, by many people thats considered rape. Especially if its a man thats doing the groping. Double standards apply.
shareHmm don´t need a penis for rape to a person... there are so many forms to raped, actually the person who commit sexual abuse can use their hands, tongue for commit rape, so is not necessary a penis for that... and in the book, the girls sodomizing to Fiamma with sticks.
And yes, in the movie Miss G take to Fiamma to her room and abuse of her when she was drunk and Fiamma don´t had consciousness of what Miss G was making with her, so is a raped!
Sorry for my English, i just speak Spanish!
It's not a stupid question and you are quite wrong. Rape is not defined by whether or not a man uses his penis but whether the perpetrator--man, woman, or child--forces sexual intercourse on the victim. That can be done with an implement or with the hand--it is still rape.
shareI still think there wasn't penetration, so no rape per se. But it was sexual abuse, most certainly.
Glad they didn't include the sticks rape scene, that would be horrible to watch.
Poor girl.
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In the book, it becomes apparent long before the "St. Agnes Feast" that Miss G is "molesting" Fiamma. In the film there's a scene where Miss G follows Fiamma into the girl's changing room. Well, in the book, Di follows and spots Miss G kissing Fiamma's breasts in the changing room, with Fiamma appearing disgusted but allowing it. That's the kind of relationship Miss G has with Fiamma.
On the night of the Feast, Miss G enters the room and discovers all of the girls intoxicated, but she's only interested in Fiamma, and leaves the room with her, presumably to molest her some more in the privacy of her own room. But Fiamma isn't unconscious, and neither are the rest of the girls, who all strongly suspect what's going on.
It's the very fact that Fiamma doesn't want to talk about it that turns all of the other girls crazy with jealousy!
Miss G appears more vulnerable in the film than she was in the book.
In the book she treats Fiamma like her pretty little sexual plaything, but doesn't seem overly concerned once the girl disappears, whereas in the film she plays a direct role in the girl's demise!
That's true. In the book, Miss G is apparently fired after Fiamma's disappearance, whereas in the film it's clear that she leaves under a cloud of being suspected of having committed homicide!
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This film is about pedophilia (the role played by Ms. Green), rape, including sodomy. Frankly, trying to understand the market, market understanding of this film, let alone who would, in all good conscience, go to see this film after reading the review and posts, is a troubling question.
I wasn't sure what the film was really about based upon the trailers. Upon reading the posts I was disturbed by subtle, suggested sympathy for the pedophile, charismatic or not, the acceptance of child abuse and rape in a boarding school, and the rape and murder of a boarding school student due to jealousy, or resentment.
I'm typically a fan of the Scott's, but this film romanticizes the most vile and base abuse of children, and encouragement of children abusing other children.
Why was this film even made?
@ atlas: i haven't seen the movie either, but from what i could see of the trailer, i think the romanticisation of pedophilia was the last thing on the directors mind. rather, at least i think, it makes the subject more confronting when the abuser is an attractive female (as opposed to an unkempt male), and a fully formed character, rather than a faceless monster. while certainly not a pleasant 'sunshine and rainbows, feel-good flick',and definitely not something i would enjoy watching from an emotional standpoint, it seems an interesting exercise in forcing the audience to confront personal impressions.
yes miss G sexually assaulted her whilst she was drunk.
I think the letters indicated that Fiamma had been involved in a scandal and was therefore sexually experienced.
I think that there was something highly erotic about Miss G's attraction for the pretty Spanish girl on her diving team!
It's obvious that several of the girls had an attraction for her!
being a victim of such, it is very possible for a woman to rape another woman.
you need not a 'male vessel' to do so.
it only takes one persons strong hold and the victim's unwillingness for it to be classified as rape.