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Should White Savior movies be allowed anymore?


Are we sick of them yet?

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True. All of the characters should have been of a similar ethnicity. Hollywood bends over backwards to try and represent every ethnicity under the sun in every movie they push out and usually it just blows up in their face. Looking just at the Fremen, they had everything from lily-white to superdark sub-saharan with no explanation as to why that might be. The Fremen are supposed to be an insular homogenous society.

Point in case, look at the super successful Netflix show, "Squid Game". They didn't fuck around and try and pull together a rainbow coalition for their cast. Everyone in the show was of East Asian descent and it worked.

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That's what it's like in South Korea. Here in America and much of Europe as a whole it's a melting pot.

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Last time I looked Europe and the USA was not the planet Arrakis.

So why does it have to be like those 2 continents.

Why can't it be exactly as the movie makers want it.

Actually in Europe it isn't. Black population is about 2%

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Why do you have such a problem with diversity? I see it as something beautiful, other countries try to emulate as much diversity as they can in their films because that's what we do, like 'Ali' in Squid Game, an immigrant from Pakistan.

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I have no issue with natural diversity. Nothing I said would indicate that unless you are purposefully twisitng my words. Please quote me where i have an issue with diversity.

I am apposed to diversity for diveristy sake at the expense of a good narrative.

Dune is a work of fiction and doesn't need to replicate the population percentage of USA or Europe. It can be whatever the moviemakers require and they should be allowed to do that without repurcussions. unfortunately there is now so much pressure they are unable to do this. Just look to the oscars for now race and gender percentages to even be considered for an oscar. In short a diversity quota.

I have zero problems with an all black movie and an all white movie for example. Unfortunatly only one of those would be allowed in todays world and the other would have hundreds of articles made stating the need for more diversity and less whiteness.

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You obviously aren't aware of your problem with race and that is something you can deny or work on but I'm not twisting your words, that's how you come off to me. You can of course say that it's my opinion and I am wrong but why not take a moment of self examination for your personal growth?

Why can't the people in Dune or any other movie have people of various races or colors? Why shouldn't movie makers be allowed to use whatever actor they like for a role?

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You obviously aren't aware of your problem with race

Assumption based on nothing. No possible way you can make that claim. What has happened previously hundreds of years ago has no bearing on this movie and shouldn't be taken into account. But as you are talking about slavery, may I ask which slavery you are referring to? You wanna have a guess at who is the most enslaved race on the planet over the course of human history. I'll give you a hint, they are not black. Also what colour do you think enslaved there own people and sold them to the evil white man. They are not white. We will also ignore the barbary slave trade which was oh you guessed it, black pirates. We will ignore all these and the countless other slave trades and concentrate on only one, just one.

that's how you come off to me

Your opinion which is false and not based on anything factual.

My personal growth. I don't need to grow but thankyou for being condescending towards a stranger on the internet.

Why can't the people in Dune or any other movie have people of various races or colors? Why shouldn't movie makers be allowed to use whatever actor they like for a role?

Exactly what I just said. Whats your point.

The issue is they are not able to cast whoever they want due to forced dviersity and media pressure. So you will see mixed race couples even if the story doesn't require it. You will see black and other races when the story doesn't require it. That is forced diversity for no reason other than to change soemones colour because of there colour.

Don't make assumptions on people you know nothing about.

My quote - It can be whatever the moviemakers require and they should be allowed to do that without repurcussions.

What is wrong with that statement. Answer = nothing

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"Assumption based on nothing. No possible way you can make that claim"

It's an assumption based on every post of yours that I've read. I just DID make that claim sooo . . .

"What has happened previously hundreds of years ago has no bearing on this movie and shouldn't be taken into account."

What are you talking about? What?

"But as you are talking about slavery, may I ask which slavery you are referring to? You wanna have a guess at who is the most enslaved race on the planet over the course of human history."

When was I talking about slavery?

"My personal growth. I don't need to grow but thank you for being condescending towards a stranger on the internet."

You don't need to grow? Everyone does, I do too, to suggest that you don't is so ridiculously arrogant. Why are you being such crybaby about a stranger's opinion?

"The issue is they are not able to cast whoever they want due to forced dviersity and media pressure. So you will see mixed race couples even if the story doesn't require it. You will see black and other races when the story doesn't require it. That is forced diversity for no reason other than to change soemones colour because of there colour."

Hollywood is liberal and liberals LIKE diversity, liberals LIKE seeing mixed race couples. How has that gone over your head? You can't seem to fathom that directors aren't being FORCED to hire diverse actors.

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While Arrakis isn't earth, they are supposedly human. As the Fremen are an insular and isolated *human* society that has existed for millenia, it stands to reason they would look similar, but they don't. I understand Hollywood has been forced into an impossible position and they can't win regardless of what they do. So when watching the movie, I try to look past these little details.

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As long as they are the highest percentage of the people going to see them.

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Those who claim "white privilege" have no understanding of world history. They've never even heard of Genghis Khan or the Barbary pirates, who combined, killed or enslaved tens of millions of "white" people.

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No, but we are sick of people whining about them.

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I think we need to erase every instance from history where a (lowercase W) white person has saved anyone.

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Read the Dune books. Paul is anything but a savior in them.

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I know you know I was being sarcastic, hehe.

I'll try again because I love the stories, but I've started the first Dune on two different occasions and found it to be a trudge. Next time I won't give up.

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The left is actively doing just that.

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I don't think we can ever have too many White Savior movies. It's the White Man's Burden that we are doomed to be the Messiah of this earth.

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I totally agree. We should have green, pink and magenta saviour movies,

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Ignoring the fact that Paul isn’t really a savior as you’ll likely find out in Part 2, the movie was made in America, which is mostly white. That’s how representation works.

If you want to see POC saviors, go watch foreign works, and tell other countries to step up their game and make more movies, shows, and videogames. Japan’s certainly been doing a good job, plenty of Asian saviors in their internationally popular anime and manga.

I’ve seen more than my fair share of foreign works, that’s how I get my dose of “diversity”. You should try it.

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