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Of course the villain is a wealthy powerful white guy


And the hero is a young black girl. They aren't even trying to hide it any more

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Wokey woke woke.

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a netflix epic is having Denzel play ROmes enemy Hannibal, i am not even making this up. this guy, a Phoenician, was apparently black...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Mommsen_p265.jpg

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It's because of BlackRock's diversity mandates. It is mandatory to include people of color in roles which put them in a positive light. As long as Black Rock stays in charge, this will not change.

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^This person gets it.

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I'm not a fan of wokeness either, but it could still be irrelevant what the characters' races are.

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Could be, unless it's a historic person, or a fictional character who is long-established as a certain race (e.g., Snow White, Shaft).

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So what do we know about the characters in this movie, and how relevant their race choices were?

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It is a god damned fairy tale and even a complete new one. How butt hurt you have to be? I also despise the changes to Little Mermaid and Snow White, because they are definitely weaker. But what you like as a bad guy? A demon? A dragon? Or the evil step mother.
Regarding evil step mothers: Thats a 1800 woke movement against step mothers, as in the original stories it were the real mother who is the jealous bitch.

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The opposite. Wokeness is caring about race and gender, making sure everyone gets included, at the cost of logic, narrative, human behaviour, tradition and established universes. Being anti woke is just wanting film makers to focus on good films again, without any forced social agenda.

This is a fairy tale clearly set in some European medieval inspired time.as such your first vision of a hero is not a rastafari girl. Good fantasy is believable on a subconscious level, it makes sense. This is forced and doesn't. Aladdin made sense. Snow white made sense.

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Do we know if the movie is good or bad? I don't know yet, at least. Do I prefer to see a rastafari girl in my movie? No! Does it make the movie instantly bad? No! At least in the medieval time I know from history books there was no white dude kingdom with a talking goat. So here the "social agenda" does not instantly creates a worse movie. The movie is called Wish and not Snow White, which derived from the white skin tone of the main person.

btw: Despite the bad guy is played by a white dude (Chris Pine), he looked to me much more arabic type, but might be just his dress in the few scenes I saw.

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It could be a great movie, but it being woke is a strong indicator that it is not. It indicates lack of creative integrity. A talking goat is fine. Talking animals have been in stories since the first was created. If the talking goat was actually a camel in a European medieval setting, that could be interesting, but id need a full explanation what it's doing there. I'm not going to pretend that it's normal. If not explained it would distract me greatly from whatever story being told.

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TALKING GOATS...FINE BROWN SKIN....BIG PROBLEM.


GOT IT.

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looks like you really try not to understand what the guy wrote and instead twist the issue. Just like usual woke people tbh. Hmm

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I AM NOT A "WOKE PERSON"...I SIMPLY DO NOT SEE NOR JUDGE PEOPLE BASED ON THEIR SKIN COLOR,SEXUALITY OR ANYTHING ELSE.

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the issue isnt diversity, its nonstop forced diversity, cultural appropriation, race swapping and representation above the story.instead of focusing on telling a good story its about presenting these things like they are brownie points for a film, as if that matters more or jsut as muchas it being a great film. it is sacrificing good media so some corporation can market "look how inclusive we are". i dont care if 100% of directors are black, great i am down for that if they prove they are the most competent and best people for the job and can tell GREAT STORIES. we saw what happened when "representation" takes precedence over qualifications and a good story. how did that work out for the Marvels?

cleopatra, hannibal, little mermaid, julius caesar the list goes on and on and on.

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Hannibal? As I am informed he is from Carthago, which is from nowadays tunisia, so never considered him white at all. But maybe I missed his heritage, as I must have missed any backlash regarding him.
Cleopatra on the other side was really (one of) the most stupid social agenda shit out there. She came from the blood line of one of Alexander the Greats best buddies, a heritage well known for incest (marriages) - King Charles would call sus here. Nevertheless, I also wouldn't necessarily consider Liz Taylor as a good choice, as I would doubt ancient Greeks or Romans were the classic blue eye blonde guy type. But I am convinced that it was much more realistic to have a Brad Pitt Achilles as a Adele James Cleopatra.

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Carthage was a colony formed by Phoenicians. while yes the did not like "nordic europeans" they resembled greeks and went from pretty pale complexions to tanned. .there are quite afew mosaics, coins and some busts depicting what they looked like. but it certainly was not like denzel. its a recent netflix project announcement.

ohhh i think liz taylor was a bad choice as well. but im consistent of my criticism on both sides as it seems you are when this happens. the issue i find is how quick people are to scream "whitewashing" or "cultural appropriation" when it happens to non whites, but when the tables turn they are not consistent on it.

i also wouldnt even have an issue with the swapping and switching since its actors playing people (except for historical figures) if it was not for this hypocrisy above and one sidedness of it. of course there is more backlash now, but it seems like "one rule for them, another for us". and if you criticize this side of it you are screamed at as being a "racist"

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WHY DOES SKIN COLOR MEAN SO DAMNED MUCH TO YOU?🤔

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When whining about Di$ney remakes being "woke" for making the characters diverse, you people say you'd have no problem with "diverse" characters if it was a new, original story but when they do exactly that, like in this case, you immediately reveal yourselves to be disingenuous, bad faith liars by complaining about it anyway. In this case, the new female character being black & the antagonist supposedly being a "white" man, despite the character actually being a fairly dark complected man who could easily pass for middle eastern or Hispanic.

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Exactly what is wrong with a white villain and a black hero in a fairy tale? I mean other than it chapping your prejudiced ass. :)

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