Delta or SEAL
Which unit recievies harder training in any and every aspect? Which are more badass (opinions)? When are each used and what is their special skill or ability that makes them a SF?
shareWhich unit recievies harder training in any and every aspect? Which are more badass (opinions)? When are each used and what is their special skill or ability that makes them a SF?
shareboth are in awe of the SAS
shareIMO, the Seals are the toughest group to join. One only needs to look at the amount of guys that drop out (90 percent) to conclude it has the toughest physical requirements. You are talking about top level athletes, who most have dreamed of becoming a Seal their entire lives, and even 90% of them end up quitting and not making it. Some of the underwater training the Seals do is ridiculously hard - the normal person could not do it even if they wanted to. Seals are not made, they are born. They have God given physical gifts that the normal personal (or even above average person) does not have. Most military branches (marines, army, navy) - if you are just an average athlete but have the willpower you can be successful. I've known a lot of out of shape guys that joined the Marines and had no problem with bootcamp. In fact, when they got out of Marines they were still out of shape lol. But the Navy seals is entirely different ball game. Their lung capacities are that of olympic swimmers when it comes to holding their breath underwater. I would consider the Navy Seals to be the absolute best soldiers in the entire world. No disrespect to the Army Rangers, but the Seals physical requirements are just tougher.
But, when it comes to executing missions - I dont think any group is more bad ass than the other. Both army rangers and Seals have to do dangerous missions. What is kind of odd though is that most times their missions, while very specialized, are not that much more dangerous than what a conventional soldier would have to encounter, and certainly their physical training really isnt needed in most cases. These guys are doing almost all missions on land nowadays - so it really does not matter how long they can hold their breath under water, or whether they can run 50 miles per day and sleep 5 hrs in 7 days. You're just not going to get those types of conditions in a mission environment. If anything, if the Seals have a tough mission to accomplish - their commanding officers are going to make sure guys have gotten enough sleep and are in perfect condition to go execute the plan.
- Historically BUD/S drops about 60 percent of the class, not 90 percent.
- Top athletes and 'god given' physical gifts are def. misconceptions. Many of the swim stars and triathletes end up DOR. One of the core things that trainees learn (or don't learn) is that making it has a lot to do with mind over matter. Consequently I knew an Ensign who was a swim star and track star in high school and at the Academy. He did 2 Ironman events and finished. He banked his whole set of goals on being a SEAL. He made it to the 11th day of training and DOR'd. He could run and swim and do pushups to no end. But he could not handle the teamwork needs nor the mental anguish.
You post is pure fanboy. Do you believe you can make this stuff up as you go along?
You're taking a dump and they call GQ do you pinch it off or finish your business?
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Yuppers, they are like "Aww them accents are sure cute!"
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Wow cruel responses towards the OP. I have often wondered this myself, who's tougher which ones are the top of the elite, but I will remember to never ask such a question.
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I'm not really adding to the debate here, but in reading the book, it's interesting how Luttrell notes that the bigger guys in his BUD/S class that were the typical gym rat, musclebound types tended to have the toughest time. The guys that were quick on their feet and had good stamina seemed to handle the physical requirements easier.
Lutrell is also a very tall guy, and he mentions how his height was a disadvantage during many of the training phases, but he had excellent swimming skills, so the underwater segments weren't too challenging for him.
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Considering most delta have to complete the entirety of SEAL training and then some, gonna go with delta. No disrespect to SEALs of course.
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not even remotely true. Delta training isn't really that long. or tough. dispite what people on here like to say.
seal training is atleast between 2 and 3 years long. you also have to have been in the military for at least 2 years before you are ever allowed to even attempt seal training unless you get a waiver.
HELL weak is stated to be the toughest week of any physical training Bar none worldwide
you don't even get to sleep you get to take a brake for 5 min every hour for an entire week so after 7 days you might get 14 hours of rest out of 168 hours
when you compare DELTA AND SEAL team six
Delta is the elite of the united states army special forces otherwise known by there headgear the GREEN BERET seal team six is the Elite of the united states navy seals
these two groups are the opposite counterparts of each other both specializing in counterterrorism
this is the primary roles of DELTA
hostage rescue
counter-terrorism
direct action
reconnaissance
Navy seals
Primary role
Direct action,
special reconnaissance,
counter terrorism,
foreign internal defense,
maritime operations
Other roles,
Counter-drug operations,
hostage rescue,
personnel recovery,
hydrographic reconnaissance
whats interesting is that people always say Delta is the absolute best when the seals specialize in the exact same *beep* plus more
DELTA has absolutely 4 major roles where in the navy seals have 5 major roles plus 4 other basic roles. this means they have in total 9 roles they specialize in
So now calling SEALS and/or Delta SF is wrong? I give up trying to figure this stuff out.
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SEALS
Delta is good and all but they are mainly an intelligence group.
navy seals go for a lot longer training you have to be in the military for atleast 2 years and the training the receive is 2 years long and they have continued training until they retire they also do more weapons training they also specialize in the same exact stuff that delta specializes in
You have no idea what you're talking about. You can go to the SEALs straight out of training.
Delta prefers recruiting people who have at least one combat tour under their belt, and the training exceeds that of the SF (who pretty much get their pick). They are FAR more than a "intelligence" group.
With that being said, there really is no answer to who is better. They both excel at their areas of expertise.
There is, unseen by most, an underworld...a place that is just as real, but not as brightly lit...
Delta is at a different level than SEAL Teams though. Delta is a'graduate' level organization. SEAL Teams have their own graduate level organization in DEVGRU.
The real answer to who is better, is that you cannot compare them. Its not even an apples v. oranges argument. Its more like a Aventador v. DCB M35 Widebody type argument.
CAN go to SEALs straight out of training is more than a little misleading and its misinformed. You CAN go to Army Special Forces straight out of training, via the 18X program. You CAN go to Rangers straight out of training as well. The same can be said of the AFSOCs PJs, CCs and CWs.
Does CAN go directly mean that this is the typical pipeline for any of them? I happen to know from my job specialty that SF for instance relies much more on INSERVICE applicants than it does the 18X program, though that is shifting and over time you might see a different balance eventually. Specifically with the SEAL program I deal with it daily as a Navy Career Counselor and have a great deal of insight based on the fact I was a SB before being an NC. SEAL applicants come from all parts of the Navy. Recruits, NAV VETs, OS VETS, ROTC, Academt and Reserves too. SEAL Challenge ascensions to training are not merely first come first serve. The amount of billets that need to be filled in a fiscal year is determined in advance. You take the number of billets and multiple it times 1.7. Not sure what percentage that would be but its around 40 percent plus. So if we have to fill 350 billets this year, we offer 595 contracts. That 595 will always be divided to recruits, vets and so on at a set number. The Navy enlisted community as a whole will get 40 percent of those billets alway. ROTC and the Academy will compete for a set amount of billets as one entity. The Reserves will also have a set amount. Another set amount specifically for each class will be reserved for retreads, recycles and injury recylcles.
So what does it all mean? Well it means that 60 percent of all BUD/S classes will start up with trainees who are already in the Navy. With Recruit ascensions you will find on average about 25 percent are already 'Other Service Vets' OSVETs. Predominantly Marines.
Having said that the Navys version of the 18X program is quite like that of the actual Army 18X program, its a recruiting tool for the whole branch. NAV VETs and OSVETs traditionally make it through at a much higher rate. In a whole class of graduates you might get 5 out of 40 that are NONVETs.
Another thing that must be said about the NSW pipeline of training is that BUD/S doesn't mean 'done you're in'. Another 6 months of SQT and Cadre Training still weeds people out.
You're taking a dump and they call GQ do you pinch it off or finish your business?
Dubyah,
To call DEVGRU a "graduate" level for SEALS is inaccurate and you know that if you know which you're talking about.
One of my best and oldest friends dropped a full scholarship for wrestling to go into the Naval Academy. This was 18 years ago, before you could jump into BUD/S so quick. Was elite. Training in Okinawa, back in Dam Neck (not sure if that spelling is right), up at Quantico, back to Japan again, two tours on Team 4. Back to Dam Neck again, offered DEVGRU (before we as civilians all saw Zero Dark Thirty and knew what the hell it meant) and turned it down. Third tour with some special group, but still team 4 ... (I'd be making it up if I told you I knew the name, another acronym) and home again.
18 years and "he's out", but still leaves this country for extended periods of time. Is single, works part time at a steel factory when he's here, lives in a place in the city that I couldn't afford on three times my salary and drives a $90,000 car.
We'll say I have common sense as to what he's doing.
So, not sure DEVGRU would be the "graduate" program. That's a pretty damn fine soldier right there. I don't know a damn thing he ever did and I never will. Only reason I know what team he was on is when he's brought a team member or two home with him.
Not an attack on you, just an observation. Maybe you meant DEVGRU is "the goal?" I dunno.
No offense taken but, nothing about what I said is inaccurate. I have been in the Navy over 20 year and I am a Chief. In my current role, I am a Navy Career Counselor. Like a School Guidance Counselor for all manner of Enlisted Sailors and Officers.
No I meant it like I said it. Its a play on education and its not meant as anything more than a simple comparison. Getting to the SEAL Teams would be like the Bachelors and the next level would be Graduate or Post-Grad if you will. Devgru is where you get the Masters. Not graduate like I graduated from """", Graduate like Graduate School. SEAL and SF would be Undergrad, DEVGRU and Delta would be Post-Grad.
There are no scholarships to the Naval Academy. Sports are all walk-on only. Some highly recruited players do go to the Academy but its because the Academy recruited them. David Robinson for instance never played basketball until his senior year in high school, he was recruited by some other school but he pursued an appointment to the Naval Academy. Admittance to the Naval Academy is solely appointment only.
This was 18 years ago, before you could jump into BUD/S so quick.
I have friends in both and neither act or talk "badass". In fact, buying a round in their honor at a bar is frowned upon and they don't like the attention. I only know one in Force Recon and he also does not like the attention.
Of course, about 95% of the guys I know are now out of the military, but when they were in, none acted "badass".
I couldn't tell you which training was harder or which ones were the toughest.
I would tell you that the "most heavily trained" of the three would probably be SEALS. That doesn't make them the most "badass".
We're talking about the difference between a 450-foot home run and a 455-foot home run as well.
Other countries are right up there. SAS is ridiculous. GIGN is elite. EKO Cobra is elite. SSG, MARCOS, GROM, GSG ... the list keeps going.
These questions have been asked and answered a hundred times over on the internet.
Both are badass. Both are incredibly difficult to get into. Both have a variety of special skills.
Look this stuff up. Basic information is readily available.