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It has a white male character who is not evil

posted 2 years ago by alienzen (1931)
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[–] whynotwriteme (7725) 2 years ago

It's permissible to have a "good" white male character in modern American entertainment, but he must be either one of the following:

1. Wise, sensitive, funny and gay.
2. Hapless, bumbling and eager to please the female lead with no chance of romance.
3. A third, rarer alternative is the mildly "toxically masculine" white male dad figure who eventually learns the error of his ways and realizes the women and POC characters are more capable and being Woke is better.

[–] alienzen (1931) 2 years ago

He does resemble number 2. However he is also smart and resourceful. Admittedly he could almost pass for being gay. He is nerdy though, and nerdy white males are usually the worst in the eyes of the woke.

I have not really detected any overt wokeness so far, other than one scene where the evil woman didn't like the term Latinx....lol. Just so you know kids, only bad people think Latinx is dumb.

[–] whynotwriteme (7725) 2 years ago

Just so you know kids, only bad people think Latinx is dumb.

Yes! And the hilarious thing is, this includes the majority of Latinos and Latinas themselves! White Liberals know what's best for them, obviously!

[–] Otter (24464) 2 years ago

Quick! Name a Marvel film doesn't have a white male who isn't evil!

Most of them star white males who aren't evil, after all.

[–] alienzen (1931) 2 years ago

That was all pre M-she-U.

[–] Otter (24464) 2 years ago

You still haven't named one. All the new shows have white males who aren't evil in major roles. Bucky isn't evil, Clint Barton isn't evil, Kamala's buddy isn't evil, even Loki himself isn't evil (amoral in a fun way).

You're just pissed because the white men who aren't evil aren't the stars of every single show. Some of them are... sidekicks.

[–] nte1igentwon (957) 2 years ago

You didn't truly expect an answer, did you? Their incessant whining is getting tiresome.

[–] alienzen (1931) 2 years ago

Captain Marvel, Black Widow, Wandavision.

[–] Otter (24464) 2 years ago

Let's see, in "Black Widow" Natasha's "dad" turned out to be a good guy. "Wandavision" co-starred the extremely white Paul Bettany, and in "Captain Marvel"... well, maybe there was one film that didn't have a good white guy in a major role.

So out of, what, 25 streaming shows and 5 TV shows, there was *one* movie that didn't have a white guy in a major good-guy role. And just so you know, everyone who isn't a white straight man thinks whining about that is absolutely pathetic, and so is whining because white straight men aren't the star of every single film and show - that's genuine "manbaby" level embarrassing.

[–] alienzen (1931) 2 years ago

Vision is a robot, he doesn't have a race. Technically Alexei was on the good guys team, although he got punched in the face and continuously mocked by all of the female characters, but you win on a technicality. He is certainly not a sympathetic character. It's not just that these movies don't feature any sympathetic white male characters, the main villain in all is also a white male.These are also the only female lead Marvel properties, which is hardly a coincidence. So Ms Marvel breaks the mold.

[–] Otter (24464) 2 years ago

You really do expect straight white men to be the baby at every christening, the bride at every wedding, and the corpse at every funeral! You really are self-centered and small-minded enough to think that there's something wrong with the world, if every fucking movie doesn't have a white straight male protagonist!

Well if you feel slighted because people like you are appearing in supporting roles, as sidekicks or villains and not as the protagonist, well that's how the rest of us have been feeling SINCE THE BEGINNING OF FILMED ENTERTAINMENT. So we have nooooooooo sympathy for you, none at all.

[–] alienzen (1931) 2 years ago

Yeah, I was always really offended watching samurai movies where the protagonist was always a Japanese male.

That was sarcasm by the way.

I also really hated that all of the protagonists of Jane Austin novels were women, and the men were only romantic interests.

That was also sarcasm by the way.

You are complaining that a genre invented by nerdy white men features white men as protagonists. How silly.

But you seem to be missing the important fact that ALL of the villains in these aforementioned movies/series were white males. If Phase one of the MCU exclusively features white male heroes and black/female villains, I would also find that sus.OBVIOUSLY.

[–] Otter (24464) 2 years ago

I'm not complaining about the existence of white male protagonists, some white male protagonists are interesting, likable, or lustworthy. I'm complaining about YOU expecting to see nothing but white straight male heroes in your comic book films! And YOU objecting to seeing a white straight man cast in non-heroic roles!

And YOU totally failing to grasp that anout 97% of the world's population is not white straight men, and that maybe people who aren't just like you might share your desire to identify with a comic book hero who reminds them of themselves. And that they've been watching people who look like themselves cast as stereotypical villains, sidekicks, arm candy, servants, buffoons, anything but the hero for ages, since they were kids. We didn't like it any more than you like this, so man up and shut up, because everyone else has had it worse than you have it now.

As long as you don't get that, you aren't worth the effort it takes to yell at you.

[–] alienzen (1931) 2 years ago

How about not yelling? I don't identify with any superhero. To think that I would identify with a character because it is white and or male it crazy. People like superheroes because they can fantasize about being them, not because they see themselves. Apparently your imagination is able to conceive that you have outlandish superpowers, but not a different skin color.

Of course you totally ignored this:

"you seem to be missing the important fact that ALL of the villains in these aforementioned movies/series were white males. If Phase one of the MCU exclusively features white male heroes and black/female villains, I would also find that sus"

I don't care about what race or gender characters are, it is the fact that the writers of these movies DO that bothers me..

[–] Otter (24464) 2 years ago

There are times when I have to shut down discussions because the other person just isn't worth talking to, and it looks like you've hit the mark. Yes, I get it that you don't like seeing someone who reminds me of yourself as the villain, and you take for granted that you've seen people like yourself as the hero your whole life, and you don't give a rat's ass that people who aren't like you have spent their whole lives going to escapist fare knowing that they are going to see people like themselves as the villain, the thug, the eye candy, the support personnel, but definitely not as the hero who saves the world.

SO YOU DON'T RATE ANYTHING BUT YELLING AT, AND I'M TIRED OF THAT. FUCK OFF.

[–] Bossdog677 (1567) 2 years ago

These guys that our adamant they need characters that look exactly like them would put on Friday the 13th the game and play as Vanessa and/or play Dead by Daylight as Claudette.

[–] Bossdog677 (1567) 2 years ago

I used to tie a towel around my neck and jump off the couch and pretend i was Superman but i was 5 years old, i never once though "Wow Superman is exactly like me because we are both white" and about 10 years after that i was dressing up in Fubu outfits, sagging my pants and listening to Gangsta Rap and i never once thought "Boy all these black people in a rap, i need a rapper that represents me" and when Eminem did eventually come along i wasnt like "Finally i am represented" i thought he was trash and still do.

[–] Otter (24464) 2 years ago

That's nice, but it doesn't mean that other people's feelings of feeling shut out of the mainstream media are invalid. You know what it means to grow up as you, you don't know what it feels like to grow up as someone from a different background.

If you'd been childhood friends with a Muslim girl from your block, and you wanted to play superheroes, you'd have been playing Superman or Batman, and not someone who looked like her. Because there wasn't anyone who looked like her among the superheroes.

[–] Bossdog677 (1567) 2 years ago

The Muslim Girl on the block was likely playing with Barbie and thought boy games were stupid.

[–] Bossdog677 (1567) 2 years ago

And you know i went to play Barbie once with my cousin and her friends when i was really young and didn't understand the gender differences between toys and i was struck down by them and had my mom have to explain to me that Barbie were girl toys and i had to go play on the swingset by myself as i was excluded from this activity and they were never jumping up to play Ghostbusters with me.

[–] Otter (24464) 2 years ago

Well, I was willing to give you the benefit of a doubt...

[–] Bossdog677 (1567) 2 years ago

Im just saying whenever i went to my cousins house they didn't want to play my games and they didn't want me to play there's some 25 years later or so Lady Ghostbusters informed me it was actually me being discriminate with my toys all along and girls always wanted to be Ghostbusters.