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My thoughts on Carl, and the generalized, artificial movie


There are a few points that I would like to make or simply point towards.

It is shown that Carl was very much in love with his wife, but it is contradictory that he is so unhappy (with strong anger and bitterness) after she is gone. One does not truly lose something they love, as long as one has faith and keeps it alive in one's heart.

His character towards the corporate people is unjust, as they were only doing business and they offered him double the price for his house, and they did not use any unjust tactics to get him out of there. At least not that any are shown. He is is not happy to meet or see people, except his childhood hero. His attitude towards younger children is pretty clear and if I were permitted to speculate, it would not be too arrogant to say that it was because he could not have children himself that he behaves this way, since one cannot simply be bitter and angry towards others because one's beloved has passed away.

A loving person does not behave this way. It is selfish only to love one thing or person, and be bitter to others if is gone. Carl cannot be held in the sight of children as a noble man.

Ty.

[And Edit after nearly 2 years]

Thank you for your replies and opinions. Unfortunately I am was not a recurring visitor of the site as a forum member and have only just recently seen your replies. Looking back at what I wrote I would like to reiterate and clarify my standpoint and own opinion which I presented to you. Hopefully this will be enough to let everyone know my mind.

Carl, first of all, who has loved a person sincerely his entire life is shown to have no loving friends or family (and to argue that they have died at this point is a bad argument imo, for friends and family can be of all ages, and if one is loving towards them and caring, they will look after you or remember you in your later years). But I let this go because it is possible that he, in his depression locked himself up and isolated himself ( but even then such a person will be found by his caring others), but altogether his entire personality towards society (as he often laughs at other's pain in the movie), shows to me that he became rather a sadist.

It was just very surprising for me to see this Carl who is still a child nearing the end of his life, who cannot handle seeing love go, not so much as to see it go, and go into a depression or feel pain, but to become such a negative person which becomes a harm to entire society. I totally understand that he is going UP in his life, but this DOWN was quite artificial and shallow.

In summary point is this: It is COMPLETELY justified, and quite HUMAN to fall into depression on the loss of a beloved, but, did you see how Carl behaved with children, with Russell? I'm not saying he not be slightly bitter, sad or depressed. I say he not sadistically laugh at the misery of others or diss children.

On another category,

I would like to quote a philosopher who says something about the selfishness of a couple loving each other (and please do not view me as a Carl or sadist, a person who is whining because he has lost love, for I am an optimist and a great fan of love)

"The intoxication of self-feeling is the most intense, and the height of this intoxication is most admired. Love and friendship are the very height of self-feeling, the I intoxicated in the other-I. The more securely the two I's come together to become one I, the more this united I selfishly cuts itself off from all others."
- Soren Kierkegaard

and another:

"Love of one is a piece of barbarism: for it is practiced at the expense of all others."
- Friedrich Nietzsche


I thank you again for your opinions.

N.B.: Along with all of this, another fundamental problem I have with the movie is the commercial element and the generalization:

I understand this is a Disney movie for children, but the way they make Carl into a bad person after his wife passes away creates an awful black and white contrast and gives a very artificial look to it, as if it were deliberately done by writers to win audiences and their sympathies, which I believe demeans actual depression and behavior which might occur after a loved passes away, and one's whole subjective experience.

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Well, that was the point of the movie, after all.

Carl had to learn to let go, which he did in the end - throwing out everything in the house outside, all his possessions and everything that reminded him of Ellie - so he could rescue Russell, so he could go "Up".


Griffin


Evolution takes no prisoners.

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People are different and everyone has a different way of dealing with the loss of a loved one. Some (like you) remain happy while others (like Carl) become angry and bitter. It is not "contradictory" as you call it. In fact, most people are more likely to react like Carl instead of how you feel that they should react. Not everybody in the world thinks like a Buddhist monk, you know.

I'm not saying that one way is better than the other, it's just that saying that Carl was not a good person just because he reacted differently than how you would, is not correct. To each his own.

Besides, if Carl had reacted the way you described and been all happy and forgiving and loving, then what would have been the point of this movie? In fact there wouldn't have been a movie at all. This movie shows Carl's transition from being a happy man, then becoming a sad and bitter one after the loss of his wife and then eventually finding happiness again after his adventure with the kid.

"I'm the dude playin' the dude, disguised as another dude!"

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It is shown that Carl was very much in love with his wife, but it is contradictory that he is so unhappy (with strong anger and bitterness) after she is gone. One does not truly lose something they love, as long as one has faith and keeps it alive in one's heart.
You seriously believe that everyone who loses the love of their life is blissfully happy and not depressed or angry and unable to move on?
His character towards the corporate people is unjust, as they were only doing business and they offered him double the price for his house, and they did not use any unjust tactics to get him out of there.
They were clearly intimidating him and attempting to drive him out. The dust pollution and the fact that three enormous skyscrapers were springing up around his house demonstrates this.
His attitude towards younger children is pretty clear [...] since one cannot simply be bitter and angry towards others because one's beloved has passed away.
What? Really? 7 billion people on the planet and not one will ever be bitter because of the death of a loved one?
A loving person does not behave this way. It is selfish only to love one thing or person, and be bitter to others if is gone. Carl cannot be held in the sight of children as a noble man.
Rubbish. Carl clearly loved his wife and was totally lost after her death.

The whole point of this movie is how difficult it is to cope with the death of a loved on and to move on (and up) after their death.

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I agree wholeheartedly with widescreeneyes! OP you clearly have never lost anyone or you are a troll. The first step is admitting you have a problem. I'd take Carl as a friend over you any day of the week...you are too judgmental and bitter towards anyone who has known real love.

So long and thanks for all the fish!

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I'd take Carl as a friend over you any day of the week...

geez, a little too harsh, aren't we?

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You seriously believe that everyone who loses the love of their life is blissfully happy and not depressed or angry and unable to move on?


Carl clearly loved his wife and was totally lost after her death.

The whole point of this movie is how difficult it is to cope with the death of a loved on and to move on (and up) after their death.


Full agree with you, cant add anything more

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You are completely missing the point of the film!
And your point about the corporate people? Baffling

It's a Disney film and great one at that! I love Carls attitude it's supposed to be humorous!

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you sound very young.

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you sound very young.

and retarded.

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The OP is either a troll or just fortunate enough to never have lost anyone close to him.

Everyone acts differently. Just because you would act "normal" doesn't mean everybody should.
In fact, I think most people would act the way Carl did. It's not something you just can act all happy and normal with, you have to deal with a lot of emotions.

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The OP is either a troll or just fortunate enough to never have lost anyone close to him.

so why are you not replying him instead??

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This made me laugh more than it should have.

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This made me laugh more than it should have.

what?

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The OP's only, "crime," is being naive. Yours, on the other hand? Well, take a look at your post. You'll see what I mean.

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The OP's only, "crime," is being naive. Yours, on the other hand? Well, take a look at your post. You'll see what I mean.

sure, i'm rude towards him, but i think it's deserved.

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Op, you're either a child, troll, or moron. Pick one and let us know.

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Op, you're either a child, troll, or moron. Pick one and let us know.

perhaps he's all those things?

btw, i'm glad to see all these replies. the op deserves to be mocked.

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There are a few points that I would like to make or simply point towards.

it's so funny that you want to make these points when you haven't thought them through at all.

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