List of things that made no sense and were stupid: S8 E4 (Spoilers)

I agree with all of your points. 14 is probably the worst. There is no way Tyrion would have suggested another parley after Cersei lied to everyone the first time.

All of these points are a combination of:

• the showrunners agreeing to wrap the show up in 13 episodes (with a budget boost for the final 6). This means rushing things that the show previously took its time with. It’s jarring.

• the show’s writers having to try and bring the characters to the ending that George RR Martin outlined ... after writing the characters a different way by themselves for the previous few seasons.

• the desire to provide the audience with dumb fan service moments, like Jaimie & Brienne becoming a romantic couple.

3. Gendry becoming the lord of some place I don't remember. What does this have to do with the plot?! Nothing.

the whole episode was a mess. I don't think the writers even watch the show anymore. Those bolts don't even make any sense. There is no medieval weapon that works like that. Daenerys should have burned that fleet easily

1. Agreed, but heartbreaking for her to be upset about being alone upon Jaime deciding to leave her.

2. Also agree, but he felt a deep sense of shame about how he had affected others negatively in his life, and was drawn to go to his sister who he felt he was meant to be with and who seemed alienated fighting against the world. This would be preferable to living with Brienne who was a noble soul who he didn't deserve. Probably he realised a sexual relationship with her was a fundamental mismatch despite their close friendship.

3. Maybe this was a way of taking him out of the equation to free Arya to independently follow her chosen path. He was rewarded for being a moral individual who had suffered hardships and was now free to live a life that he chose without the hardships of the past.

4. Arya was not interested in attachments but he was keen at that moment to form a permanent relationship which reflected his confidence in the future perhaps.

5. I don't see why Dany should be in any way jealous - she had her time as a recognized ruler in Essos who was celebrated for her deeds. In Westeros she may need a few years to become liked by the people by doing nice things for them - her gift and enoblement to Gendry was a good gesture and well conceived and worthy. Though, she is quite insecure about how she is perceived at the moment - she doesn't want to be left out of the picture or face the prospect that Jon will be loved and recognised as a leader and not her. She wants that recognition and natural affinity that Jon has with people.

6. A Varlerian sword and a strong battle instinct. Not sure he was uninjured in the body though.

7. Maybe but it's not unbelievable that he could manage to survive to this point. He is a rugged individual and has developed much self-reliance deciding to be alone in his life. I'm sure he is pleased he can hang out with Arya for a while longer, though.

8. I agree but it might symbolise the solitary path Jon is on having to give up personal security to help Westeros become a peaceful realm.

9. Euron is known for his ability to surprise from my observations. I'd say there were at least eight ships armed with bolt throwers - if they can be reloaded in 30 seconds, that's 2 bolts per minute firing rate times by 8 which equals 16 bolts a minute. In five to ten minutes ten ships could be severely damaged with direct hits from the high velocity projectiles. It seems to be a reasonably realistic and devastating strategy against sailing ships.

10. I guess we're meant to understand that two to three days have passed allowing people to gather their forces together, and have those conversations that we would normally see.

Cersei is feeling very confident. She is allowing her enemy to come to her and will repel their smaller forces and solitary dragon should they attack. It will work initially but I don't think she can out manoeuvre the combined talents of Jon, Dany, Tyrion and Varys. Dany has been weakened though - she no longer has Jorah, all her dragons or the full compliment of her armies. I feel that Tyrion's and Varys' knowledge and networks of Kings Landing might be helpful strategically.

11. Yeah, he does seem to be harsh towards Tyrion. I think to some extent it's a strategy - he wants wealth and is looking to see who will give the better deal, but he's afraid of being hunted down and executed by displeased powerful people - he wants to appear to be on a certain side without necessarily being so. News will get back to Cersei via Jaime that Bronn threatened the brothers but didn't kill either of them though he appears to be a threat to them - Cersei may then change her mind about Jaime if he wants to side with her against Dany (of course, this might be a ruse on Jaime's part also - he wants to appear to have defected to Cersei's side but his real plan is to get close enough to assassinate her, preventing further bloodshed).

12. Waste of ammunition killing him and unnecessary when she is apparently in a secure position. Killing Missandei was a threat and a rebuff to Dany, maybe an incentive to a rash action attacking the city putting Cersei's plan into action as described it in the episode - the people might turn against Dany if she attacks their city and appears to threaten their lives and homes.

13. Not necessarily possible with a swift blow from the Mountain and/or immediate action from the guards.

14. Tyrion knows she is ruthless but was hoping to reach her sympathetic side and address her innermost concerns. He tried and he failed. Not sure what would have happened if Dany's party had just decided to leave at the impasse in negotiations - would Missandei as a result have lived or been executed?

15. Yes, she doesn't think he should be dealing with Dany. Tyrion is key here in that he seems to support all sides but was asked by Sansa to support Jon as a a preferred ruler with the required kingship requirements, ie. blood lineage. The argument is that Jon is a better person

The portal traveling was really weird this episode. They probably traveled 3 months up and down by land and sea.
The dragons are useless the last few episodes.

Well done, very well said. I agree with all of your points but especially 9 & 10, all the teleport business, doesn’t make sense.

re.1. They long ago established a connection between them. This was fan service and fine. It solidifies that Jamie isn't all bad.

re.2. This is exactly Jamie's arc. Everything he has done has always been derailed by his love for Cercei. It is the very essence of his character to abandon what is good and return to Cercei. Although there is a big chance that he is only going back to kill her.

re.3. Tyrion immediately said to Kalisi that she managed to deal with a contender and make him her ally. It was skilled diplomacy.

re.4. Gendry just got turned into a made man. He suddenly has something to offer Arya (Stark nobility). It totally makes sense. He has known her for a long time and obviously must have liked her. It was actually sweet. No problem with the scene.

re.5. I don't see any problem with the feast at all. I expected exactly this after the battle.

re.6. Doesn't seem like a big deal to me but sure, he could have had some evidence of the battle.

re.7. The Hound is awesome and nearly everyone loves his relationship with Arya. I disagree with this point most of all.

re.8. Agreed. I couldn't believe he didn't at least go touch it. A word to the noble, loyal beast was in order.

re.9. His fleet was hiding behind that island. However, ships are not that fast so if they were in bolt range then they were easily seen long before that. The multiple perfect shots were painfully plot-driven. They wrote "another dragon dies" and this was the best they could come up with?

re.10. Time jumps are fine but this show does alot of it without continuity. Very rushed. I agree.

re.11. Bronn's journey seemed to take the proper amount of time. I agree about his behavior though. His change flies in the face of what he and Tyrion have been through together. Lame.

re.12. I get why she doesn't kill him right away but after killing Misandei, it doesn't fit that she didn't fill him with arrows. I assumed the rest of them were just outside of range.

re.13. Yeah, most would have tried but she would have had her arms cut off if she made a move toward the queen. That would have been a cool scene.

re.14. Tyrion does know this. However, he was appealing to the one single angle he has on her to try desperately to sue for peace. It was the only card he could think of to play.

re.15. Never liked Sansa. Hated her in the early seasons and am irritated by her in these later ones. She behaves as if she knows something we don't. Smells like the writers forgot to show us something or accidentally edited out some scenes and forgot to change Sansa's lines.

I would like to add my own:

16. The dragons continue to be extremely frustrating. Underused or used poorly is the rule, it seems. First of all, Daeny reacts to the ambush by charging them but not fire breathing. Then she leaves them alone. huh? Those ballistas cannot fire straight up. Come atthem from directly above and kill every single one of them. Too close? Still too dangerous? Fly low using the same island for cover and grab some huge boulders, then drop them on the fleet from high above over and over. Scenarios like this drive me crazy for this whole show.

17. Sansa and Arya "don't trust Daenerys" for what reason? After all this good faith, their behavior is misplaced. To this I also add Arya saying "Sansa is the smartest person I know." Whatever. Zero evidence of that.

18. The Wildlings returning further north. Virtually no difference in territory, more game to hunt, and there's plenty of "openings" due to the major number of deaths in the battle right there in Westeros. Their departure didn't make sense to me. Minor complaint.

19. Why the rush to go south and fight? Letting the troops rest for 4 days would do exactly what that favors Cercei? I'm convinced that the writers know nothing about actual war nor strategy.