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What kind of doubt she has? (Poll)


I mean the film left us with unanswered questions. And that was on purpose. Like you have to decide what fits you.

1/ Did father Brendan Flynn gave wine to the kid?

a- YES.
b- NO.

2/ Did the father Brendan Flynn molest the kid?

a- YES.
b- NO.

3/ What kind of doubt sister Aloysius Beauvier has?

a- Doubt of God.
b- Doubt the priest didn't do anything.


For me :

1/ a-
2/ b-
3/ b-


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Answers:

1] B

2] B

3} both A and B



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The doubt that Sister Aloysius has isn't that she has suddenly decided there's a high possibility Flynn was innocent. She always believes he is guilty from the moment Sister James shares her concerns.

In fact, it is long before Sister James tells Sister Aloysius about Donald Miller and Father Flynn that the suspicions begin; it begins when Father Flynn teases the boy in the courtyard about the colour of his hands being different from that of his face and neck (start of film). Later, she says to Sister James that is experience that tells her that something has occurred. Clearly she has seen this happen before.

The doubt comes from Sister Aloysius suddenly wondering if there could be a God who would help a man who is guilty of molestation and essentially initiating an intimate and absolutely inappropriate relationship with a young boy. She has CERTAINTY. Her certainty never fails her for a moment in the film, she knows Flynn is guilty (whether he is or not, is up to us to decide), but what she doesn't know is if God really does exist, for if he does exist, how could he send Flynn to a school where he would become pastor and unlimited access to children that he could easily manipulate to his own advantage?





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People in this thread seem to have forgotten the conversation that led to her expressing doubt. She said unequivocally that the priest's resignation was his confession. "He was what I thought he was." So she doesn't have any doubt to his guilt or innocence.


This was spoken with such conviction and, as you say, unequivocally. But I also see her breakdown about her doubts as a breakdown of everything she believes with all her heart- with all her "certainty". So I can easily see her doubts applying to the priest's guilt as well.

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Could the final gesture of compassion expressed by Sister James (putting her hand on Sister Aloysius' hand/leg and leaning her head over her lap) be interpreted as an example how an innocent gesture may be misunderstood by a bystander or the other person(it could be misread as some kind of erotic interaction?)? Thus casting a shadow on Sister Aloysius' "evidence" - the scene she saw between Father Flynn and William London.

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What kind of doubt she has? All kinds of doubts. Doubt is an essential part of Christian faith.
In fact the Christian paradigm is: I believe God; help my unbelief. It's not a linear experience and that's the best part of it. There is a critical function of faith which is not nice but it's healthy. Blind belief is necessary to witchcraft and manipulative techniques; they dont't work if you don't believe; while God will always find a way to be part of your life despite your unbelief...


In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.

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I don't believe she had any doubts about the priest ( she knew he was at least inappropriate) .....she won in getting him to leave, yes, but now he was sent to head another parish ( a promotion!). I would guess the viewer ( and sister Beauvier) would believe Father Flynn would strike again ( at least in some fashion). What did she have doubts about? My take was that sister Beauvier has had doubts herself for awhile - I am convinced that was why she was also intrigued by Father Flynn's sermon on "doubt." Sure, she was implying he was flawed but the ending confirmed her own doubts. I don't believe it is just a matter of God but many of the "absolutes" she lived and believed in. I suppose a Catholic would understand this best because most if not all Catholics come to a point where life doesn't always work out the way we were taught. Seeing events played out ( the mother accepting Flynn as mentor or MORE, the Church accepting and promoting a man with questionable behavior, people using BALL POINT PENS!)...she clearly not only sees changes she doesn't agree with but very likely doubts the very things they vow to uphold. In this sense, she may even doubt the existence of God but I truly believe she wept over the doubts of what she was and what she believed in was LIE. She didn't want to think that but she did.

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Well she spends the whole movie absolutely sure that he's guilty but has no definite proof - just her suspicions. And she lies that she has dirt on him and he leaves as a result. She initially justifies the lie in her own mind because she's so confident that he's guilty

But then when he's gone, she starts to doubt her own suspicions. After all, she had no proof. She's now thinking "What if I was wrong?" and of the consequences. If she was wrong then she's just bullied an innocent man out of his job with her lie - and she's left an equally innocent child alone in a hostile environment with no support figure

As well as that, she may have been considering if she was right at all to get him transferred. As if he was guilty, then if he'd stayed at the school she could probably keep an eye on him - and he might be less motivated to abuse the other children knowing the nuns are watching him. But with him at another school, there's nothing she can do if he abuses children there

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I haven't seen the movie, however, I was raised Catholic, and had experiences with their bizarre behavior. I have to say the nuns were the most unpleasant, vicious uncaring people you could hope to meet, even if you went to prison. I kid you not.

They allowed bullying to go on, As I was the smallest kid in the school, I was constantly bullied by the 12 graders on the football team. I quickly learned how to cool their ardor for such fun. A swift kick in the nuts, or I carried a hardback schoolbook with a leather strap and hit them there.

Once this boy, said to me. "You know what I'm going to do to you?"

I said, "Not half of what I'm going to do to you!"
And hit him with the book right where he lived. Then he ran crying to Sister Mary-Catherine. "Marilyn hit me with her book!"

I had to laugh, she was so consoling. "Ah, face if Mathew that's as close as you've gotten to a book in your life."

One time I saw sitting in class, and I saw Sister Mary-Magdalene coming behind me, so kept an eye on her. What is with Irish Catholic nuns and the Sister-Mary-whatever? Anyway when she swung her ruler at me, I ducked and she slammed the boy ahead of me with the ruler. It was a big ruler. He turned around and said "why'd you do that?" She said, and I quote. "You weren't paying attention."

I read the bible and tortured the nuns with questions they could NOT answer.

Now I knew a Father Eddie, he wasn't Irish, he was funny, informed, a real delight to be with while my mother worked in the rectory. He died in the summer of my 9th year. This New priest showed up. I couldn't believe him, he said, "Father Eddie's dead, I'm here NOW!"

I just said, he must die! I acted all innocent and said, "Jesus is god, right?" The idiot fell for it hook line and sinker. Then I said, "God created the universe, right? So why did the apostles have to go fishing for food? Couldn't Jesus make them a cheeseburger out of nothing?" You never saw anyone skedaddle like that in your life, and I never saw him again. I later learned he was accused of molesting children.

Thanks to my training with the football team, he would have got the same treatment as they did. Then he could explain the injuries to the emergency team.

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I think it's
a
a
a

She knew he gave him wine by the end.
She knew of something inappropriate. That was basically admitted to, otherwise he would not have left.
Doubt of God. As a Christian, when things like this happen, when the big spiritual leaders or people you look up to in general turn out to be these awful people, your faith is shaken. I related so much to that closing moment.

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It doesn´t matter what kind of doubt she has since that last cringeworthy scene doesn´t jive with the rest of the film or her character at all....this is the classic example of a characters behaviour completely unmotivated changes for the sake of the plot instead of the plot changing the character or in this case,for the sake of the films title and theme to be hammered in with a sledgehammer,pretentiously jammed down our throats.

She was a hatefilled,misandric,narrowminded monster who already had decided what the truth was with no regard for the childs wellbeing,it was just a huge egotrip and her mission was to bury Flynn....she succeeded and then in the last scene starts to cry cause....who gives a shi-? She had zero doubt about her crusade but when she´s won,she almost becomes the victim,boo-hoo. We get that the film is called doubt,that the theme is doubt and uncertainty,her sudden change in character does nothing but almost sink a truly great film.

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