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Nixon being pardoned a good idea?


Yes, Nixon manipulated the power of his office and it was correct for him to resign. However, and I seem to be in the minority here, if Nixon had been impeached AND convicted, it would have created a stigma that would have haunted the American people for decades, not to mention any international credibility for the United States would have been tarnished for a long time. Therefore, I think President Ford was correct in pardoning Nixon and I too believe Nixon did the best thing he could have done in this situation (granted, he was cornered!) which was to vacate his position of power.

Especially after watching the genuine interview between Frost and Nixon, along with this movie, it feels quite apparent to me that Nixon was regretful. Perhaps it had to do more with him being caught, but nonetheless he knew he was complicit and had made profound mistakes.

What does everyone else think concerning this matter?

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It created a precedent that ultimately allowed the criminals of the Bush administration to believe (apparently correctly) that they could get away with anything. Next to the likes of Cheney and Rumsefeld, Nixon was a saint.

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Just how do you figure?

This is a fallacy a lot of people like to engage in: because Nixon got caught doing something fairly minor, he wasn't as bad as Bush. That's fine and good if you ignore everything else Nixon was involved in, and base your argument around the fact that he didn't get impeached over Cambodia or Pinochet or his subversion of political opponents. I would hope you have more perspective than that, however.

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Perhaps you should type out your post and mail it to tens of thousands of families whose fathers, sons, and brothers aren't around anymore because of this paranoid had to continue a useless war. Oh and cc the half are million or so Indochinese who feel the same pain on the matter. When a President is a criminal he receives a pardon and gets to feel bad about what's done as he lives in mansions while the rest of get no such breaks. All men created equal? Perhaps not.

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I have said, from the day Ford pardoned Nixon, that the pardon did more to undermine the reputation of the US as a law abiding nation than any other thing in my lifetime...and perhaps the history of the country. And the proof is that that precedent has allowed George W. Bush and Dick Cheney to escape justice. Well...we get the government we deserve.





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Nixon's pardon was unforgivable. In Gerald Ford's confirmation hearing before Congress he was asked that very question. Would you pardon Nixon. His response was "The country would not stand for it" Ford lied to the public. The US suffered irreparably for the crimes that Nixon committed and got away with. Ever since that time American presidents have taken Nixon's pardon as a license to do anything with impunity. It had nothing to do with the person of Nixon, but the legitimacy of the presidency. That legitimacy has forever been stained.

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A big hearty YES to granting Nixon a pardon. The crucial thing for the country to do from that point was to move on.

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Wouldn't you just love to get caught committing a crime and tell the judge, jury, and victims of your crime to just forgive you and not make a fuss?

I "move on" from people who commit crimes after seeing justice handed down to them. The president is still a citizen and is subject to the law. If seeing the president rightfully convicted of a crime he committed is painful, then that's just the price of a fair justice system.

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I hate when people say that.Like the Obama administration talking about moving on from Bush administration crimes. Okay,I'm going to run over several people.Of course the families of the people that I ran over should just move on and I shouldn't be charged with a crime.You can't preach to other countries about justice and then allow criminals to do what they want.Nixon shouldn't have received any pardon.And neither should any other criminal politician like Scooter Libby.We can move on when justice is served.



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Believe it or not there were more members of Reagan's administration than Nixon's that got in trouble with the law.

Maybe your country got less forgiving.

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Nixon's impeachment, or imprisonment, or whatever would have happened to him would have been merely symbolic. As a president, you want to preserve a legacy and be remembered for what you offered to your country and what you did to improve it. Nixon's legacy is one marked with corruption and scandal, so justice may not have been handed down the way we think of it, but he still had to publicly live with the negative press and endure being one of the only presidents to be remembered as a crook rather than an upstanding leader.

I also disagree that Nixon set the standard for future presidents to escape accountability, since we all know that if the crime were serious enough any president would be brought to justice. The crimes Nixon and Clinton committed were wrong, without a doubt, but weren't that important. I think the fact that deep down we all know that presidents aren't infallible is the reason why Nixon was pardoned and Clinton got off the hook. All things considered, the crimes weren't terrible (such as crimes against humanity, treason, etc.) and no politician is perfect. The only politicians that are perfect are those who can cover up their wrongdoings as such.

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With the benefit of 38 years' hindsight, I think the pardon was the right thing to do. But there is no question that the overwhelming majority of Americans were opposed to it at the time, and there is a legitimate argument that a president should not use his power in that way, in the face of such opposition. I also am convinced that if Ford had not pardoned Nixon (or at least, had not pardoned him *so* *soon* after taking office), he would have defeated Jimmy Carter in the 1976 election, with all the implications that would have had for the past 35 years.

Ironically, I think the pardon might have gone down easier with the people if Ford had pardoned "all the president's men" and not just Nixon himself. Some of the public anger over the pardon was rooted in the fact that the man at the top was getting a free-pass while his underlings were still being forced to endure the Watergate firestorm on their own. Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia expressed this point at the time.

In response to Writerchamp13's point about Nixon being "regretful" in the Frost interviews, well yes of course he was. I don't think his regret was primarily about "being caught" but in having so incompetently allowed himself to get stuck in such a situation in the first place.

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At the time I wasn't sure.
But, within months I agreed that there had been enough time spent on Nixon; his resignation was "beheading" enough.

The nation needed to move on.

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Yes, but not to avoid stigma or tarnished credibility - that had already happened. More it was good to help the nation move on and avoid further divisive politics.

Besides, after Cheney and Rove, Nixon looks positively benign. Nobody died because of his shenanigans.

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All stigma aside, our country suffered instead, from what one person wrote was the revelation that there was a huge double standard in how justice was applied to the rich and powerful vs. ordinary citizens. After Nixon's Watergate AND the pardon, nobody took the Presidency as seriously from that point on.

And it is George. W. Bush who deserves comparison for his flagrant violation (along with Cheney & his conspirators) in the Valerie Plame scandal (outing a covert CIA agent and NOBODY gets slapped down but Scooter Libby? PLEASE!). And let's not forget his lies about the WMD's and unnecessary invasion of Iraq.

Compared to this, Clinton's sexual frolics were absurdly miniscule in importance. Sure he lied, but he was the only one to be targeted by the "vast right-wing conspiracy" that Hilary had predicted years before. His main mistake was trying to cover up adultery, which was NONE of our business!

Nixon's crimes went far beyond this, including COINTELPRO, the infiltration of the anti-war movement and unwarranted surveillance of activists like Abbie Hoffman and John Lennon. He developed the so-called, "Garden Plot", counterinsurgency program, designed to suppress (by any means necessary, using the military AND police on Americans, if they ever rebelled too much. Anyone remember Kent State? His lying about withdrawing from Vietnam and instead, bombing Cambodia? Nixon was a vile, power-hungry, lying, immoral scumbag and deserved a LONG jail term, not a pardon!

Clinton just needed a 12-Step program for sex addicts. But he left us with the best economy in our history. Beat that.

She deserves her revenge, and we deserve to die.

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