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Hopkins Or Langella Who was a Better Nixon???


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I'v seen both Nixon and Frost/Nixon which both have extraordinary talent behind it. But who doe you think is better Anthony Hopkins in his 1995 oscar nominated role or Langella who is a shoe in for the nomination.

Personally I can't decide. What do you think?

P.S. I'm sorry if I'm repeating another msg.

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I believe Hopkins was better. Both were fantastic, but Hopkins gave one of my all-time favorite performances in 'Nixon'.

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hmm...intresting

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I saw Frost/Nixon Wednesday, and I prefer Langella.

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As impersonations go, Dan Ackroyd's Nixon was closer to being 100% spot-on accurate than either Hopkins Or Langella.

Not sure comparing a series of quick comedy sketches to a principal role in a major motion picture is a fair comparison, though.

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David Frye

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Hopkins whole-heartedly.

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Don't count out Philip Baker Hall in "Secret Honor", which is the most claustrophobic of all Nixon movies; a one-man 90 minute exploration directed by Robert Altman and available in a nice Criterion edition.

I have to vote for Anthony Hopkins though, since his performance and that movie in '95 was the first time we were able to see him in a more sympathetic light; as a man done in by a system with a machinery that moves regardless of who's President.

When in Frost/Nixon they mentionned the moment of Nixon and Kissinger praying on their knees, all I could picture was that spellbinding scene between Hopkins and Paul Sorvino as Kissinger where Nixon just breaks down.

Langella is wonderful, particularly in that phone conversation late in the movie. That monologue he delivers is fantastic.

So pretty close for me, but Hopkins wins out.

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Might be though, as they are both amazing actors... I'll definately check this out next month.



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it's a tie. both gave a different spin on a tough to crack real person.

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Langella's performance is amazing...I'm going with Langella

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You have GOT TO SEE Rip Torn in "Blind Ambition." (1979) He is AMAZING!!!! On the honorable mention list is Lane Smith in the TV movie "The Final Days" (1989)

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I would have to say that this is a very tough call as I loved both movies and both actors did a fantastic job. I was not familiar with Frank Langella before this movie and I am definitely interested in seeing some of his other work now. I feel that he definitely had Nixon's speech and demeanor down really well, a few times when his back is to the camera you could even think it was stock footage of Nixon. However, I feel that Anthony Hopkins performance was one of the best in any film I have ever seen and his portrayal of Nixon was the better of the two. It was almost eerie how well Hopkins channeled Nixon and it seemed like he seemed to have borrowed Nixon's soul(thought,actions,emotions) for a short time. I would have to say that playing a man as complicated as Richard Nixon convincingly just shows that these two actors are both extremely talented.

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Jim, Tony Hopkins may have channeled Oliver Stone's fantasy version of Nixon's soul well, but I don't think he got very close to the characterizing the real Nixon. That being said, I still think Hopkins, who's my favorite actor, did a fine acting job in the movie, and he clearly had more to grapple with in his role than Langella did in this film. It's just that Hopkins' Nixon was not the real Nixon.

Langella on the other hand seems to pick up a lot better on the real Nixon, while still not getting it entirely spot on. Although a true pragmatist in action, in thought, Nixon was something of an idealist, who was obsessed with foreign policy and creating a "framework of peace" in the world that would make nuclear war unlikely in the future. He was a very contemplative, studious, hard-working man with a very strong intellect and analytical skills. He also (at least at times) had a pretty good sense of humor in private around those he knew, and he had a way of inspiring loyalty from many of those he worked with. I think Frost/Nixon captures these aspects of Nixon a lot better than Stone's film, while also leaving out some of Stone's more outlandish Freudian touches.

So, in regard to just their acting jobs, I would say it's a toss-up between Hopkins and Langella with Hopkins having an edge, but if we're judging their portrayals of Nixon the man, I would have to pick Langella.

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Slow_dissolve, this is more of my interpretation of what I've read, rather than any author's argument (that I can recall off the top of my head, at any rate). Some of the books that I think influenced me in coming to this conclusion were: Nixon's books (esp. Beyond Peace, RN: Memoirs, In the Arena, and Leaders), Bud Krogh's Integrity, Bill Safire's Before the Fall, Jonathan Aitken's Nixon: A Life, and Kissinger's books (either Years of Upheaval or The White House Years, or maybe both).

Now, I think these self-same books could probably be used to make a strong argument that Nixon was a true pragmatist too, so let me just stress that I too think that he tended to be far more pragmatic than idealistic. However, I do not think he can entirely be explained as a cold-hard realist. Why? First, I think merely his belief in the possibility of a "framework of peace" that would prevent nuclear war through diplomacy was idealistic in and of itself. He may have played diplomacy as Realpolik, but his ultimate goals seem a bit on the Utopian side to me. I think this is even clearer when one remembers that one of his biggest heroes was Woodrow Wilson, perhaps the most idealistic person ever to inhabit the White House. Although Nixon did note that Wilson was overly idealistic in his opinion, Nixon's goal reminds me at least somewhat of Wilson's goals for the aftermath of WWI, supposedly the war to end all wars (I mean here world peace and not anything dealing with methods--Nixon wasn't particularly enthusiastic about the UN from anything I've seen, certainly nothing like Wilson felt toward the League of Nations).

Think too of the great denouement of the Frost-Nixon interviews. In Nixon's climactic apology that this movie makes so much of, Nixon didn't just say he was sorry for letting down the American people and our system of government, he also specifically said that he was sorry for destroying his own dream of creating a "lasting peace." Apparently, he felt that this lost goal of his was one of the biggest failures of Watergate. Also, the impression that I got from Julie Nixon's book on her mother was that Pat Nixon viewed her husband's political goals from an idealistic standpoint. This could, of course, have been entirely of her own imagining, but I would suspect that she was basing this view on things that her husband had said or attitudes that he had expressed.

I think also that Nixon's midnight trip to the Lincoln Memorial soon after the Cambodia invasion was not that of a pure pragmatist and realist. Although the press focused on his talking solely about football to a few young people as he was leaving, Bud Krogh in Integrity and Safire in Before the Fall have very thorough descriptions of what occurred that night. I forget the details, but Nixon told a bunch of young protesters that although they disagreed on the conduct of the war, they should still try to work together for the good of the world on other subjects, like the environment. He added too (like he did when talking to Frost about Watergate) that he hoped their disillusionment with the war wouldn't translate into disillusionment with the country and with government. Krogh, who was there with Nixon that night, said that what Nixon said moved him greatly and made him significantly change his opinion of Nixon. Although I don't remember exactly what he said, Nixon's plea to a small group of young hippies for everybody to work together for the good of society struck me as at least somewhat idealistic (and unrealistic, if still a laudable--if bizarre--attempt at communication).

Although not outright "idealism," I think too that Nixon's belief in the mystique of the leader, which he so admired in Charles de Gaulle, in particular (although also in other people such as Churchill), is not entirely compatible with cold, hard political realism. Also, Kissinger wrote about Nixon's "romantic imaginings" that tempered his take on things. Listen too to the taped conversation that Nixon had with Kissinger about their meeting with French writer Andre Malraux and how excited Nixon was when Malraux told him that he could "change the world" with his opening to Communist China.

I'm probably forgetting a lot of stuff here, but my main point is that yes, in many ways, Nixon was a political realist and pragmatist, but as I tried to indicate by saying he was "something" of an idealist, I feel that those labels just doesn't entirely explain him politically. Just an opinion.

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frank langella is very good as nixon and his experience playing him on stage added to the richness of his performance. however, until this movie, anthony hopkins was the definitive nixon, more like nixon than nixon himself. which is better? who knows, both are superlative. however the fact few critics have mentioned hopkins' earlier portrayal shows just how short the collective memory is, but who cares we now have two platinum standards for comparing nixon.

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Sorry but I have to give this one to Hopkins. I mena Langella did a fantasctic job but he covered only one area of Nixon where as Hopkins dealt with the entire presidency and before. Also Hopkins was a little closer to Nixon's accent where as langella's is a little to deep. But that is understandable he has a deep voice.

Sorry to repute a previous post nixon may have been concerned with foreign policy along with being a very contemplative, studious, hard-working man with a very strong intellect and analytical skills. If anyone has ever listened to the White house recordings of him you would she that he almost never addresses what is best for the country but what is best for him, his image. He was overall a self absorbed arrogan SOB who thought the world was against him and had to not only beat but crush whoever got in his way. And Hopkins got that down.

So to me Hopkins was the better Nixon.

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Godfather, you can be sorry if you want to, but I'm an historian and the research I've done tells me that the picture you paint of Nixon is narrow and incomplete. Believe me I have listened to Nixon's tapes, a very large number of them. As a matter of fact, I currently have uploaded 88 of Nixon's conversations on YouTube (just a tiny fraction of the ones I've listened to). I agree that Nixon was very image obsessed, but it was not the case that he did not care about anything except himself. Part of the reason for his concern with image was because he frequently had very bad press and the press was often inaccurate in how it reported on him. Part of the reason too was because of his beliefs of the importance of the "mystique" of a leader to get great things done. He felt that, following the advice of Charles DeGaulle, a leader who had the mystique of the great leader would be able to accomplish more. Frank Langella understands this aspect of Nixon; Langella actually read Nixon's heavily marked up copy of DeGaulle's book, Edge of the Sword, in preparation for his part. Listen to my clip on YouTube of Nixon talking with Kissinger about mystiques and about his meeting with a French political writer who knew DeGaulle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4n2P_fZB08&feature=channel_page. Nixon's particularly excited by the idea that Malraux told him that he had a chance to change the world with what he was doing with China.

At any rate, his tapes hardly provide the complete picture of Nixon. Kissinger once wrote that the real Nixon is not in the tapes, but in his writings. Nixon spent an extraordinary amount of time thinking and jotting down ideas on yellow legal pads about how he could create a geopolitical diplomatic structure to secure a lasting peace in the world. I know, this is bit ironic, since he kept Johnson's war in Vietnam going for a few years, but he tended to see Vietnam as something small in comparison to potential conflicts between the three most important nuclear powers, the US, USSR, and China.

In particular, I'd like to draw your attention to the story that White House Legal Counsel Len Garment wrote about in his autobiography, Crazy Rhythm. By a set of circumstances that I won't bother recounting, Nixon and Garment spent the night together in a small poolhouse on the estate of one of Nixon's friends and mentors, Elmer Bobst, who was an advocate for stronger ties with Communist China. Garment recalls how Nixon stayed up the whole night, eagerly telling him about his hopes for changing the world for the better by shifting the relationship the US had with foreign powers, especially China and the USSR. Garment, who was actually a liberal Democrat, was absolutely convinced that Nixon's main reason for wanting to be president was because he had so many grand geopolitical ideas that he wanted to try to implement, not for any self-aggrandizing reason.

You say he was an arrogant, self-centered SOB, but then how do you account for his friendliness and kindness to many people. For example, Nixon wanted to help his opponent George McGovern's wife when she was sick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJpaWj6C9e8&feature=PlayList&p= 9DFDD5AF0E124844&index=70). In other instances, he made a point of calling reporters who had been positive or friendly toward his wife. You can hear one such call here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPawsOYYtJ4&feature=PlayList&p= 9DFDD5AF0E124844&index=31. Mike Wallace in his autobiography recounts a similar instance, when Nixon called to thank him for being polite to Pat Nixon during a short interview he had with her. I don't currently have this up on YouTube but I also recall a recording where Nixon called up Nelson Rockefeller and asked him to call up Henry Kissinger and to cheer him up because Kissinger was depressed at the time. The next day, Kissinger, oblivious that Nixon was behind the call, told Nixon how Rockefeller had called him up. Alex Butterfield (who revealed the existance of Nixon's tapes and generally doesn't seem to have liked Nixon) recalls how sympathitic Nixon was when Butterfield's daughter was injured. Even John Dean recalled Nixon's concern when Dean's wife had the flu. One reporter once recalled Nixon taking a present to a child he had read about who was dying from cancer. Instead of trying to get publicity for this, Nixon threatened bodily harm to the reporter if he wrote a story about the incident. Nixon would get teary eyed at Medal of Honor ceremonies for dead Vietnam soldiers. Stephen Bauer, who wrote a book about his experiences as a military aide at the White House, recalls how friendly and down to earth the Nixons were to him. He thought they were a nicer couple than the Fords, Reagans, or Clintons. On Christmas Day 1972, Nixon was friendly enough to want to wish the White House operator a Merry Christmas, as can be hear here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlnNxNlPv5Q&feature=PlayList&p= 9DFDD5AF0E124844&index=37. I could add several more stories along these lines. These sorts of things are nowhere to be found and indeed are incompatible with Stone's version of Nixon in my opinion.

Yes, Nixon could be very petty and vindictive, and he certainly held grudges, but this is only a small part of his life. Stone tried to make it the whole story, and this is wrong.

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Thanks for the lesson about Nixon, but I still say Hopkins made the better Nixon!

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OK, we can agree to disagree. I love Anthony Hopkins anyway, so why should I argue any further? Cheers.

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Langella and Hopkins bothed sucked. Lane Smith in "The Final Days" was the best Nixon.

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Cannot say Langella and Hopkins sucked, but would have to agree about Lane Smith. However...

I'd give the nod to Richard M. Dixon.

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I agree that Lane Smith was the most like the real Nixon. Although of course still not perfect, he really had Nixon's gestures and voice down in ways that no other movie actor I've seen has done yet. I thought so particularly in some scenes where he would stand JUST like Nixon did, with his shoulders slightly hunched over (not so dramatically as Langella does) and with his hands shoved deep into his pockets. His Nixon voice was much more accurate than Hopkins' or Langella's.

It's too bad it was just a TV movie. I know the real Nixon hated the movie (without actually seeing it) because he thought it was going to be straight out of the Woodward and Bernstein book, but it's actually a pretty fair film that clearly even uses Nixon's own memoirs as one of its sources. Not bad for a TV movie, but still not as great a film as this film or Stone's Nixon.

I have to disagree about Langella and Hopkins sucking. They may not have looked or sounded much like Nixon, but they both put in good (if a little overblown) acting performances.

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Langella

he was brilliant



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