MovieChat Forums > Interstellar (2014) Discussion > Why does the watch keep moving after lea...

Why does the watch keep moving after leaving the bookshelf?


The protagonist uses strings(gravity) to control the watch that sits on the bookshelf, but why does the watch keep moving after leaving the bookshelf?

reply

You ask too much from the writers right now

reply

I'm not asking too much, the consultant and one of the producers is a Nobel Prize Winner.

reply

So little of this film makes any sense it's hard to get too fixated on one point.

For me, the massive plot hole that the future humans survived anyway so why would they bother trying to save themselves makes other daftness like this and not knowing that planet had mile high waves (or whatever!) just seen like additional crap on top of the crap.

reply

humans survived because the bulk beings were able to transmit a message back to the past through 5 dimensional space.

if you watched the movie again, you will see that they had no idea about the waves as the transmissions were rudimentary because of the nearby black hole. it was basically a go or no go to visit the planet.

reply

Yeah but the point was that there would be literally no point in sending a message back as the humans survived anyway. It's like - Why would we attempt to go back to before the time of the black plague and stop people dying?

And the proximity of the black hole doesn't save that idiotic part of the film as they left that one guy to spend a chunk of his life alone as these incredible "scientists" had completely forgotten about time dilation!

Just one ridiculous film. Leave your brain at home stuff...

reply

in this movie, the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. if the future bulk beings stopped transmitting then they would no longer exist and humanity would die.

I dont know, wouldnt be a very intriguing movie I think.

they knew about the time dilation as the scientist left behind said he would analyze the findings further.

its a great movie, most people that watch it arent students of sci-fi so therefore they dont understand it.

reply

Na, it's a busted causality loop as I described further in this thread, pointing out the flaw:-
https://moviechat.org/tt0816692/Interstellar/5d8753678a4f00237ea0cb9c/Was-the-major-flaw-plot-hole-at-the-centre-of-this-film-ever-addressed

And, as I said, even if you wish to view this film from the more scientifical accepted quantum mechanics "many words" theory it also makes no sense as there would be even less point in future humans from a non failed branch attempting to save a failed branch. Again, there would be literally no point.

As I also said on another thread this movie is for the same sort of fans as the series Andor - it's a surface level "intelligent" movie, which allows people to think they have some intellectulism, but once you examine it at any depth it literally falls apart.

As someone else said, the best way to accept this film is "... because love".

reply

it makes sense if you understand 5th dimensional space. future humans exist in the 5th dimension which is outside time and they can visit any point in time.

the bulk beings constructed the tesseract for Cooper so he could communicate with Murph in multiple points in time.

its an intelligent movie if you understand quantum mechanics/physics and theoretical physics. anything is possible when you exist outside of time.

Cooper sacrificed himself in the blackhole because he loved Murph and wanted Brand to live and save the human race, Coop had no idea what would happen in the blackhole. while he was in the black hole he appeared the 5th dimensional tesseract which constructed by future humans.

I would highly recommended getting the 4k movie with the special features. Kip Thorne explains some of these plot points.

here is a good video
https://youtu.be/4f9V-8BHONo

reply

Does Kip Thorne explain why the watch keeps moving?

reply

not sure, I havent watched it all yet.

reply

its an intelligent movie if you understand quantum mechanics/physics and theoretical physics. anything is possible when you exist outside of time.

Sorry but that's precisely what makes it a stupid film.

As I was saying before you basically have two logical choices to make re the science / physics:-

1. The theoretical but unprovable "many worlds" interpretation which would mean the humans presented in the movie would die out and thus are being saved by future beings from another branch. But there is no logical explanation for that. It would make no sense for them.

2. You can go with the arrow of time, increasing entropy and a fixed amount of matter / energy. Sure sci-fi can give us evolved beings who can act outside of time but they have to come from some matter within the universe. If you take this physics approach, then the future beings evolved from the humans in the film. But again (same as interpretation (1)) there is no logical explanation for them to do so as they already exist... And at this point you're probably going "Ah but cause and effect..." (again 😉) but, as I pointed you to previously, it doesn't really work here - Look at my Back to the Future and Terminator examples.

In short, a poor movie guising as being "clever" but ultimately a nothing burger. I think Arrival did the future beings thing a lot better.

reply

its only stupid for you because you dont understand quantum mechanics/physics and theoretical physics and refuse to do any research/learning or watching videos about the subject and dont understand 5th dimensional reality.

1. already been explained

2. Back to the Future and Terminator are linear time travel movies and there are no 5th dimensional beings that were able to construct a tesseract.

Arrival was a terrible movie and made no sense. aliens need help in 3000 years? how dumb.

reply

God, the "you're too stupid to understand it" argument is so ridiculous here!

I have tried to explain it to you in basic physics terms but instead of actually have any counter, your argument is "Well you're just too dumb". Which in a sense is funny and ironic as I've already said way further up that this film is for people who want to think they're smart for understanding time dilation I guess but cannot explain the utter logic failures from either interpretation you want to use.

2. Back to the Future and Terminator are linear time travel movies and there are no 5th dimensional beings that were able to construct a tesseract.


Case in point:- Where did these 5th dimensional beings come from? It is implied that they are future evolved humans, so where did they come from? Did they just "magically" appear in your amazing, scientific movie which I am too stupid to understand or did they evolve from the humans?

If they evolved from the humans, the humans did not die out, so why are they even bothering dipping thousands of years into their past for no reason? For love? 😂

reply

the 5th dimensional beings are humans that evolved over million of years. most of all this info is in the movie.

because they are stuck in a loop. if they dont help Coop save humanity then the future humans will cease to exist.

again, I would highly recommend getting the 4k version. did you watch the video I posted?

I am trying to help but you just keep saying you dont understand.

reply

because they are stuck in a loop. if they dont help Coop save humanity then the future humans will cease to exist.

Exactly! They exist far into the future.

And I have said to you the causality loop is broken here.

It's hilarious because it somehow makes it easier for you to swallow this crap by trying to claim I don't understand "physics" or whatever (and just to be clear, this is actually not physics it's sci-fi because there is no actual time travel) but I absolutely understand "cause and effect", necessary closed loops (your predestination, etc) but I am saying to you it doesn't work here because if the entirety of humanity dies out there is NO LOOP possible. And if it doesn't die out, there is no point in their actions.

It's pretty simple.

reply

yeah, its simple because I just explained it to you.

your welcome.

reply

LOL. Yes, I thought you'd land up resorting to a reply like this.

I guess perhaps the penny finally dropped...

Anyway enjoy your movie that I'm too stupid to understand. 😂

reply

I will enjoy this sci-fi movie that I understand on my 9.2.4 Nakamichi.

again, I would highly recommend getting the 4k version with special features, it might help with the questions you have.

reply

LOL.

If you can point me to the part of those special features which explains how the non conservation of mass / energy works in a particular universe of a non "many worlds" interpretation of quantum mechanics / physics, I'll give your "because love" / non science special features a watch...

reply

https://www.amazon.com/InterStellar-4K-UltraHD-Blu-ray-Interstellar/dp/B0767FCYDW

"Interstellar" is a film that has captivated audiences with its stunning visuals, profound narrative, and stellar performances. The 4K UHD + Blu-ray + Digital edition takes this experience to an entirely new level, offering a viewing experience that is both immersive and breathtaking.

Pros:
Stunning 4K UHD visual quality
Immersive audio with English 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Exceptional performances by a star-studded cast
Insightful and engaging special features
Includes Blu-ray and Digital formats for versatility
Cons:
*Some viewers may find the scientific concepts complex (but this is also part of the film’s appeal)*

reply

... *Some viewers may find the scientific concepts complex (but this is also part of the film’s appeal.

Great stuff. Like I said, point me to where in these extras (a nice wee youtube link would be good) to where it explains in SCIENTIFIC terms how these future humans managed to exist out of thin air / circumnavigating the fundamental law of physics that states that matter / energy cannot be manifest from nothing in a closed system.

But since you know all about physics, I guess you probably already know that anyway and will be able to explain to me how that works in the film... Thanks 👍🏼.

reply

https://youtu.be/4f9V-8BHONo

should take you about 1 hr 45 mins to watch

and you can also read this

https://www.amazon.com/Gravitation-Charles-W-Misner/dp/0691177791

reply

I'm not watching the full documentary - I wasted enough time with the film itself!

Like I said though, if you can point me to the part which explains how they navigate ignoring one of know fundamental laws of physics to make sense of these evolved future humans, I'll be happy to watch and admit my knowledge about the fundamentals laws of physics were mistaken.

But just to be very clear - You do understand the point yeah? These future beings would have to have evolved from the mass / material of their ancestors at some point. That isn't anything to do with time travel per se but it is a requirement for these beings to actually exist in the hypothetical future of this film.

Can you acknowledge you understand that much before you fail to give me a specific time stamp link explaining something which I know is fundamentally impossible (in the non "many worlds" single universe)?

reply

you can always watch the video I posted 3 times now. I am watching it now.

yes, they are future humans who evolved beyond space and time.

theory 1: (no cooper in this timeline) Brand goes to Edmunds' planet and restarts the human race. all humans on Earth die. humans evolve over millions of years and decide to go back and save the inhabitants of Earth.

theory 2: future humans find a way to contact the past through gravity. they leave a message for Cooper, he goes to Nasa and thus timeline 2 is created. Earth is saved and Brand still goes to Edmunds planet. humans from Edmunds planet evolve over time and save Earth. thus creating a time loop for Cooper.

reply

As I said, I'm not wasting my time on a full documentary about a film which I think is nonsense. Give me a timestamp talking about how the law of conservation of mass / energy doesn't matter and I'll be happy.

For example, this works in the film Primer because that can be viewed as working within a multi-verse, so the mass of an individual can disappear from one universe and appear in another and thereby the law of conservation still holds across the entire system. Your explanation MUST be able to come up with another explanation if your claim is that these future humans are from the future in the same timeline as Cooper, etc in a single universe.

But at least you quoted that theory 1, which is basically what I've discussed elsewhere on this thread - Why would these evolved future humans go back and help people from millions of years ago when they were perfectly okay? That's just nonsense. Can you imagine current day humans going back to save Neanderthals? Basically the same logic as this masterpiece is presenting...

reply

if you dont understand the science and the movie, you can try watching this.

https://youtu.be/4f9V-8BHONo?t=5139

most people dont understand the logic and science of Interstellar so therefore they think its nonsense. I would recommended watching the movie again and then watching the special features on the 4k disc.

I have already explained the movie multiple times. logic would suggest that I dont have to explain it again. if you dont understand the science of the the movie then thats on you.

future humans went back to save their past selves so that we could talk about this movie and why people dont understand it and refuse to do any research or watch the movie again.

Primer is a terrible example. its a flawed movie from the start and is nonsense. it was never explained how they were able to time travel in the boxes. the amount of energy needed would be on the scale of a nuclear power plant. plus they create multiple paradoxes by traveling to the past and future. there would be multiple versions of themselves in the past, present and future with no way to resolve the paradoxical time loop.

reply

Okay, I'm going to leave it here again. You've just proven you don't understand the ideas of the many words interpretation with what you've said there re Primer.

And I just literally explained it to you! You can have multiple versions of the same person, in the same time, if they are removed from another universe. In that way material is conserved within the total system, which is in keeping with the recognized laws of physics...

And I have no idea why you posted that timestamp. They discussed absolutely nothing about what we've been talking about. One guy was talking about time machines exploding when you tried to make them and the other talking about relativity.

Funny thing they mentioned Brian Greene though, as (although I'm not going to get into this here) I have actually studied string theory and read some of his books...

Anyway, I think it's pretty clear (given the lack of ANYTHING specific at that timestamp) that you are either trolling or simply do not understand this at any level whatever so it's pointless continuing this any further.

Good day to you Sir 👍🏽.

reply

I understand this movie perfectly. and its called a sci-fi movie for a reason. its science fiction.

if you dont understand certain parts of the movie then maybe I can help explain them. you are always welcome to come over my house and we can watch it together. I have a new fantastic sound system. a Nakamichi 9.2.4.

I am not trolling. this is one of my favorite movies of all time and have prob watched it over 20 times now. to me everything makes sense now. I have watched multiple videos about this movie and have watched the interview with Kip Thorne twice now.

I guess you can enjoy your simple sci-fi movies. 🤦‍♂️

reply

so I watched this movie again a few days ago. and its so full of exposition, I am not sure how anyone can not understand it. maybe try turning the subtitles on. I have found this helps a lot in movies as some actors like to mumble a lot or the music is too loud to hear what they are saying.

its on Prime if you have it.

reply

Time loop paradox. Predestination style. The future cannot exist without the future changing the past. Reversed grand father paradox. Kinda what's the premise of Dark.

Is it logic? Meh, not really. Is it possible? Well, that's why it's called a paradox. Plus time travel is not possible, lol. Or the 5 dimension that makes the time nonlinear but a single point where everything happens at once.

That is the difference between Interstellar/Predestination/Dark and Terminator: former are time loops that are autofed, created by the changing the past so the future can exist while the later is based on time loops created by changing the past so the future cannot exist (in a certain way).

They are both "intelligent" and "dumb" and pose the same problem of a paradox but in a different/opposite way.

You can add to the list "The Tomorrow War", "Edge of Tomorrow" and others.

Maybe one of the best time travel movies is "12 monkeys".

reply

Now Dark, that was a series... That's probably the best time travel show / film I've seen.

And of course you are correct - there's no such thing as time travel so it's all nonsense anyway and not really worth discussing.

But still (!) the Interstellar thing just always annoyed me due to the supposed termination of humanity.

Just putting the crop blight scenario into Back To The Future for example - If this struck during 1960 say, and everyone dies. There's no 1980s for Marty to come back from. He could never have been born. In this scenario Marty = Interstellar's future humans.

That's why I find it ridiculous. You're right that they can be intelligent and dumb but have still have to follow their own internal rules, e.g. cause & effect or many worlds.

Primer is a great film which handles it that different way...

reply

Physicist Lawrence Krauss criticized the movie for being the worst movie ever made, do you want to say he can't "understand quantum mechanics/physics and theoretical physics"?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oezxd9NdyKE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE7MNgIqkJY

reply

apparently he doesnt understand how science fiction movies work. lol

reply

So you think that all sci fi movies must be dumb and illogic ...

reply

are you implying that Predestination, 12 monkeys, Dune and Back to the Future are all dumb movies?

reply

No, you are.

You are arguing that SciFi movies necessarily lack internal logic and consistency.

I'm arguing that good SciFi movies have internal logic and consistency while bad SciFI don't.

Are you illiterate by any chance? How come you don't understand the point being made?

reply

I am saying the same thing you are but with a different movie. why are movies that you list good sci-fi movies but the movies I list are bad sci-fi movies? I guess your opinion is the only one that matters here.

reply

I told you several times: internal logic or lack there off.

How is this hard to understand?

The one you listed have internal logic. Interstellar ... not that much.

reply

I understand it. and there is lots of internal logic, most people dont understand it and therefore just say its a bad movie.

https://youtu.be/4f9V-8BHONo

should take you about 1 hr 45 mins to watch

and you can also read this

https://www.amazon.com/Gravitation-Charles-W-Misner/dp/0691177791

reply

"there is lots of internal logic"

Sigh.

You still don't get it ... and it's fine.

reply

I do. I understand the movie, its just that most people dont understand it so therefore they think its a bad movie. I have recommend multiple times to get the 4k version with special features and to watch the video with Kip Thorne. I can lead you to water but I cant make you understand the water.

reply

No, you don't understand my words.

Understanding the movie is ... nothing. It's not a hard movie to understand.

And you don't understand that point we are making about not having internal consistency and logic.

But that's fine, as I said.

reply

which parts of this movie dont have internal consistency and logic?

maybe I can help explain them.

reply

So a person who doesn't like Interstellar must "not understand physics and SF movies." Do you ever consider the possibility: that you are the one who doesn't understand?

reply

I understand it completely. I have the 4k version with special features and have watched it at least 20 times.

its so full of exposition, I am not sure how anyone can not understand it.

and I recommended getting a better sound system so you can enjoy the sound and complexity of this movie.

reply

No, you don't understand the illogical part of the movie.

reply

which part? maybe I can help.

reply

asom and I already explained it to you in the thread.

reply

you both said it was an illogical movie. its not illogical if you watched the movie and payed attention to the exposition. I would recommend getting the 4k version and watching the special features.

it took me a while but it finally made sense. Interstellar is complex movie dealing with time travel and 5th dimension ideas.

also try watching this video

https://youtu.be/4f9V-8BHONo

reply

We already said it, but you didn't reply. I even posted the videos, and you failed to reply. All you said was, "People don't pay attention," "People don't understand SF," "People don't understand the movie," and "People don't understand physics."

reply

I recommended a youtube video a few times but no one will watch it. thats just lazy.

I have already answered and explained a few theories about the movie, but others just say I am wrong and then say they dont understand the movie and say its illogical.

reply

You can start by answering "Why does the watch keep moving after leaving the bookshelf?" Then "Why not just have a radio transmission to Cooper with the details and solve the problem? Sens him a mail through USPS. I don't know, something super simple that doesn't require the whole mumbo jumbo."

reply

Law of Inertia, an object in motion stays in motion.

the bulk beings could only communicate back in time using gravity. they constructed the tesseract so Cooper could communicate across different time periods.

the bulk beings essentially guided Cooper to transmit crucial quantum data to Murph through the tesseract, enabling her to solve the gravity equation necessary for humanity's survival.

they could have simplified it, but thats what makes Interstellar thought provoking. the first time I watched it, it made absolutely no sense. but 10 years later, I think I finally understand whats going on. albeit some of the theoretical physics talk is over my head.

reply

You clearly don't understand the law of inertia, the watch moved up and down, and it didn't move in one direction.

And I already replied to your "the bulk beings could only communicate back in time using gravity."

https://moviechat.org/tt0816692/Interstellar/67569a7fb920dc50695d86d6/Why-does-the-watch-keep-moving-after-leaving-the-bookshelf?reply=67585f1780a8c33059ba0907

reply

ok, how did the watch keep moving then?

reply

That was my question to you, you are supposed to answer the question, not me. If no one can answer the question, it means the movie is illogical.

reply

I answered the question. this is what you said:

"You clearly don't understand the law of inertia, the watch moved up and down, and it didn't move in one direction."

you rejected my answer but you failed to provide an answer of your own. so therefore, my answer is the correct one.

reply

Your answer breaks the law of inertia, therefore it can't be the answer.

Your answer is a contradiction to your reason, which is illogical.

reply

if thats true, then what is the answer?

reply

If no one can't answer it, then it's call illogical.

reply

I already answered it. you just dont understand the answer.

reply

Your answer breaks law of inertia. Even a child in elementary school knows the law, yet you keeps fail to understand how the law works.

reply

if thats true, then why was the watch hands still moving?

reply

If no one can't answer it, then it's call illogical.

reply

its only illogical for you. everyone else understands it.

reply

How dumb are you? Your reason breaks the freaking law of inertia! Your reason was worse and useless than "God moves the watch."

reply

if it does, then you will need to prove it with an equation or find someone else to disprove my theory.

reply

Your theory is already being disproved by Newton, it breaks the law of inertia, you are just too dumb to understand how inertia works.

reply

can you post the equation and a dissertation on why it fails?

reply

can you post the equation and a dissertation on why it works?

reply

I = Σ miri2

and

γ=1√1−v2c2 γ = 1 1 − v 2 c 2

On the received view of Newton’s First Law of Motion, the law is exclusively concerned with the
motion of force-free bodies, stating that such bodies continue their state of rest or uniform motion in a
straight line. For instance, distinguished Newton scholar Brian Ellis formulates the law as follows:
“every body not subject to the action of forces continues in its state of rest or uniform motion in a
straight line” (Ellis 1965, 35). Richard Feynman’s lectures state it thus: “if an object is left alone, is not
disturbed, it continues to move with a constant velocity in a straight line if it was originally moving,
or it continues to stand still if it was just standing still” (Feynman et al. 1963, §6.2). Or take Thomas
Kuhn: “In the absence of an external force applied to it, a body moves continuously at constant speed
in a straight line” (2000, 68).
The thesis of this paper is that such paraphrases of Newton’s First Law are all incorrect, because the
law, as Newton stated it, is not just a description of the motion of force-free bodies. It is in fact a
stronger, more general principle, constraining the motion of all bodies. Here is Newton’s own
formulation of the law, in the authoritative Cohen and Whitman translation (Newton 1999, 416):
Every body perseveres in its state of being at rest or of moving uniformly straight forward,
except insofar as it is compelled to change its state by the forces impressed. (LI)
As I understand it, the phrase “except insofar” (nisi quatenus) does not exempt bodies that are subject
to impressed forces from the scope of the law altogether. Instead it puts a limit on the extent to which
the state of motion of any body can change: it changes only insofar as the impressed forces compel it to.
This principle rules out changes in speed or direction due to inuences besides impressed forces, like
loss of impetus, “natural motion” or spontaneous animation in living organisms.

reply

"constant velocity," the watch wasn't, it moved up then down, you just prove your theory is wrong. Thanks for the help.

reply

ok, can you explain in detail how the watch was still moving?

reply

Plot hole.

reply

depends on your point of view and if you understand quantum mechanics/physics

reply

You just prove you don't understand the law of inertia, now you prove you don't understand quantum mechanics.

reply

at least I understand the complexity of Interstellar.

reply

You just prove you are dumb by saying Interstellar had complexity, it's a straightforward movie, even a kid can understand. No wonder you can't understand Newton's laws and quantum mechanics.

reply

Interstellar is a complex movie, which is why most people dont understand it.

reply

Just because you don't understand doesn't mean other people don't understand.

reply

what about understanding about those who dont understand what understand mean?

reply

I can help you summarize your logic: "I'm an idiot, I can't understand 1+1=2, so other people mustn't understand it either."

reply

lol

reply

smart people love and enjoy Interstellar

reply

Why?

Why all this?

"future humans exist in the 5th dimension which is outside time and they can visit any point in time."

And they have the tech to send information in the past and even to create a black hole in the past. So ... why?

Why not just have a radio transmission to Cooper with the details and solve the problem? Sens him a mail through USPS. I don't know, something super simple that doesn't require the whole mumbo jumbo.

reply

a radio transmission through 5th dimensional space? lol

reply

The future humans clearly can control the past:

1. Send a wormhole to Saturn.

2. Use a spacecraft to rescue the protagonist from the black hole and put him back on Earth to push strings on the watch.

3. After strings pushing, drag the protagonist to Saturn and put him next to a space station.

If future humans can do all that, why not just send a radio signal of the equation to Earth? Or why not put a note on a desk for the daughter?

reply

then the movie would be 5 minutes long. not very enjoyable.

reply

And that's the point.

They made a convoluted "intelligent" mess that's actually quite ... illogical. Because the logical path would not be the basis for a movie.

reply

thats why its called a science fiction movie.

reply

Disagree.

Predestination, 12 monkeys, Dune, etc. They don't have their base on illogical things.

A sci-fi stories, LIKE ANY STORIES, need to have internal consistency and be ... logical.

reply

all those movies are illogical to the source material and make no sense. have sex with yourself? sure ok lol.

reply

Sigh, the mental gymnastic that you have to do to defend this movie.

They have internal logic that works. Regardless of the books.

And the books are even better examples of SCI-FI that is internally consistent and LOGIC.

This movie? It ain't it. Whatever you think and however you spin it.

reply

Interstellar is a solid sci-fi movie based on facts, just because people dont understand it doesnt mean its a bad movie.

Dune is a terrible movie and makes no sense. sand worms and spice? someone was high when they wrote that. its an illogical movie.

reply

1. yes.

2. there was no spacecraft, Cooper goes into the black hole and ends up in the 5th dimensional tesseract. from there he is able to communicate with Murph in different time periods.

3. after Coop sent the message and Murph solved the equation. Coop went back through the wormhole to end up next to Saturn in the future.

4. the bulk beings can only communicate through gravity in 5th dimensional space.

reply

2. No. In his book and the Neil deGrasse Tyson interview, Kip Thorne said Cooper was rescued by a spacecraft.

3. He was moved by the future human.

4. The movie said that future humans can only communicate through gravity, yet the movie clearly shows they can manipulate the past. Which is a contradiction in itself.

reply

2. yeah after he completed his mission, he was rescued by future humans.

3. I just said that. lol

4. they can manipulate the past through gravity.

reply

Yes, they can "manipulate" the past, which is a contradiction to the movie's claim: "only communicate through gravity."

Manipulate doesn't equal "communicate". If they can manipulate the past, why not just send the information of the equation to the daughter by themself.

reply

they can communicate to the past through gravity.

she was only 10 or so, how would she understand quantum data?

reply

Who says send it to her when she was 10? Why not send it when she was 20 or 30?

Not just communicate, they can manipulate, the movie to contradict itself.

reply

that would have been a different timeline. remember when they found NASA and Murph went to work for NASA? you really need to watch this movie again. lol

reply

The future humans can access all the timelines and space. You should pay more atten to the movie.

reply

yeah, thats why Coop was able to communicate with Murph. he was in the Tesseract.

reply

Then they will have no problem sending it to her when she is 30. You should pay more attention to the movie and the words before you reply.

reply

how would the bulk beings do this?

as I recall, Coop sent the message back in time.

you should watch the movie again.

reply

The future humans clearly can control the past:

1. Send a wormhole to Saturn.

2. Use a spacecraft to rescue the protagonist from the black hole and put him back on Earth to push strings on the watch.

3. After strings pushing, drag the protagonist to Saturn and put him next to a space station.

If future humans can do all that, why not just send a radio signal of the equation to Earth? Or why not put a note on a desk for the daughter?

reply

1. a wormhole connects 2 points in time.

2. Coop ejected from the spacecraft and ended up in the tesseract.

3. Coop went through the wormhole and ended back where he started 70 years in the future.

4. you really need to watch the movie again. I have seen this movie over 20 times so I know what I am talking about.

reply

You fucking dumb, you have no idea what I'm talking about.

You said: "She was only 10 or so, how would she understand quantum data?"

I said: "Why not send it when she was 20 or 30?"

You: "How would the bulk beings do this?"

I said: "They build wormholes, rescue Cooper from a black hole, put him next to Saturn."

No wonder you had a hard time understanding Interstellar, a simple story, you prove you don't understand Newton's law, then you prove you don't understand quantum mechanics, and now you prove you even had a hard time understanding the basic meaning of words. No wonder Tyson, Nye, and Krauss said Interstellar is a dumb movie for dumb people.

reply

Coop sent the data to her when she was older and working at NASA. if Coop had never found NASA and left earth than the data sent would be meaningless. its a paradox. you should really watch the movie again.

reply

Then why not send the data plus a note saying: "Earth is doomed, the only hope for humans is for you to join NASA and solve the equation."

reply

that would be a different movie then.

it would be called:

"Postcards from the future"

reply

That is the proof of how stupid the movie is, a postcard can solve everything.

reply

only if you dont understand Interstellar, which a lot of people dont.

reply

Smart people always choose the easiest way to accomplish things, only dumb people like you, and the stupid movie Interstellar, would choose the hard way.

reply

often the hard way is the best way which is why most intelligent people prefer Interstellar.

reply

Smart people: "I want to send messages to people, I can use postcards and the internet to do it."

Stupid JoWilli and Interstellar: " I want to send messages to people, I can build a black holes, a wormholes, and tesseract to do it."

reply

yup, thats why its called a sci-fi.

reply

That is why people, like Krauss, called Interstellar a stupid sci-fi.

reply

they call it stupid because they dont understand it.

reply

Who said people can't understand the stupid Interstellar because they are too stupid to understand the illogical in the stupid movie.

reply

because stupid is as stupid does.

reply

LOL

reply

yup, and thats why smart people love Interstellar.

reply

You are the evidence that proves otherwise: dumb people love interstellar.

reply

thats because smart people love Interstellar.

reply

thats because dumb people love Interstellar.

reply

Neil De Tyson is so dumb that he doesnt understand Interstellar.

reply

They can do a lot more though the 5th dimensional space.

They built a freaking wormhole. Sonans already answered already actually.

reply

[deleted]

Yes, humans survived but just barely. Conditions were so terrible and beyond horrific that the future humans wanted to go back and try to help.

reply

There no real logic to this answer though - Conditions were pretty bad back during the time of the Black Death but would we all be giving up our mobile phones, Netflix, etc to try to go back and make it better for them?!!

So sure, of course you can make that argument for the future humans in the film but I think it's just winging it logically by that point and certainly not a particularly realistic, never mind scientific, take...

reply

Yes, there is logic there. It is said the Black Death pushed us back 200-300 years technologically. A planet wide disaster, that almost caused a human extinction, would most definitely cause future humans to want to change it.

Your logic is flawed and your conclusions are all wrong. The film is Science Fiction, not Science Fact.

reply

The point of citing the Black Death was to exaggerate just how stupid this was, not as a proving point! 😂

As I was saying, we, even now, wouldn't throw away our present or even think about it, to help people from seven hundred years ago. Yet your NON flawed logic (!) has humans who have undergone an evolutionary leap beyond our understanding, at best hundreds of thousands of years in the future (if not longer!) fretting about humans from an almost unfathomable point in their past! It makes absolutely no sense.

Your logic is flawed and your conclusions are all wrong. The film is Science Fiction, not Science Fact.

It's pretty funny that you specifically said that with regards to this point as it's actually nothing to do with the film's science fiction (or science fact!), it's just plain stupidity...

reply

Gravity affects everything everywhere on Earth. Those strings are tied to the watch. Cooper gets them moving, they're kind of like gravity waves, and they stay moving.

reply

The movie clearly shows strings aren't stretched.

reply

Stop reading into every little detail. It's a Science Fiction movie for entertainment.

reply

They hire a Nobel Prize-winning physicist to look over the details.

reply

The watch was keep moving because it was movie... See what I did here?

reply