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Did this kill the franchise?


Anyone think this flick killed off the Conan franchise, least as far as movie are concerned? I thought Jason Momoa was perfect for the role, far more that Arnold ever was. But the plot was balls, the writing sucked, and they totally ignored the source material. Not to mention a villain as scary as my grandmother, and she's been dead for twenty years.

Will this give it another chance, or bury it for good? Any thoughts?

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With the success of Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit right around the corner, you'd think some studio somewhere would have been smart enough to put some actual effort into re-establishing the Conan name. First come up with a great script and then find a well known and well respected director. Fantasy is the most mistreated genre in Hollywood.

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Between the video games, comics, and the animated adaptation of "Red Nails" that never quite made it, the "Conan" brand did have quite an interesting resurgence in recent years. It is a shame the movie could not capitalize on this wave. Without a doubt (in my mind), this indefinitely suspends that planned "Red Sonja" flick and any Conan sequels in the immediate to foreseeable future. I do agree though, baring an extremely concerted effort by some devoted producer, I would not expect to see anything "Conan" outside of pulp for at least a decade. It is encouraging though (to me) to see the "fantasy" genre doing well though, which I expect will spike after "The Hobbit" is released later this year.

The only way I see it ever happening (a television miniseries/season adaptation) would be if "Game of Thrones" is so wildly successful that someone with enough passion (and pull) convinces a Shotime or Starz to take a chance on a faithful Conan adaptation to cash in on the genre's popularity. I won't be holding my breath, by Mitra.

Buried for good though? Nah. Robert E. Howard's works are just too good to not reappear at some point in the future. He can only hope though that the next film/television adaptation is handled with more care & respect though. REH has spun over in his grave a country mile already!

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A ghost Rider sequel is no way, shape or form comparable to this.

1. The previous Ghost Rider movie, despite popular belief, was a hit. A modest hit, but a hit none the less. It left some green on Sony's bottom line after securing its producers new Bentleys.

2. Ghost Rider is Marvel brand. Marvel brands have come to mean money, and other studios lucky enough to have a Marvel brand in their clutches, aren't about to let them go if they still can be milked further. As such, Sony had no other choice but to make another Ghost Rider and release it by summer 2012, or forever firfeit Ghost Rider rights.

For Ghost Rider, a sequel was given.

Contrast that to Conan.
Paradox have since about 2004 done an incredible job rebuilding the brand Conan from scratch in comics, videogames and literarure, helped by Howard scholars. And I am talking about the real Conan here, not that føkking Milius which has nothing to with Conan except the title.

Sadly, the movie production company Millennium, curtesy of Avi Lerner, decided to completely and utterly undermine this branding in the making by making the new movie a tribute to said føkking Milius movie, the one that ruined Conan in the past. With the worst script known to man, and ditto editing and direction, the movie bombs catastrophically, causing losses all around for everyone, and there is no Marvel to pick of the pieces here.

The franchise was already dead, but it had every chance of making a glorious comeback. This movie killed that comeback.

Tesla was robbed!

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Milius didn't ruin Conan, that god damned Destroyer did. If not for Destroyer and the mockery it caused, Milius would have propably done Kind Conan after which the series would have been ripe for more literal reboot.

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Millius made a VIKING Style MOVIE, not a Conan Movie.

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Milius made a pretty decent CONAN Pastiche, yet the føkking twats can't seem to get over it.

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Pastiche? More like reimagining or new universe.

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How did Milius ruin Conan? His first film is the only reason Conan even exists in the modern cultural consciousness. Sure, it takes certain liberties with the character and story, but it was far more entertaining, and a far better movie than this one. Ultimately, I liked Momoa's portrayal, and I think they did a decent job capturing the feel of the world Howard created. But overall the story was weak, the plot kinda wanders and then gets lost. Milius's film was a far tighter narrative, and still managed to grasp the essence of the character.

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His first film is the only reason Conan even exists in the modern cultural consciousness.


No, it's just the last good thing which came at the high point of the Conan franchise before it plummeted into a decline from which it's only started to recover. Prior to the 1982 film, Conan was a massively successful comic character who was comparable in popularity to Spider-Man, and the star of books that sold in the millions. After that.... nothing. A terrible sequel that was a financial success but has none of the qualities of the original, a plethora of terrible books from Tor, a sharp decline in quality in the comics, culminating in the '90s with the cartoon and live-action series. There's also the fact that Arnold Schwarzenegger is one of the biggest action stars in cinematic history, meaning just about anything he touched would be immortalised.

Considering the recent Howard renaissance has been happening with absolutely no lip-service paid to the films, I'd say Conan's continued cultural relevance is not solely due to a 1982 film.

Milius's film was a far tighter narrative, and still managed to grasp the essence of the character.


To be frank, it's difficult to get further from Howard's character than what Milius did. They're both called Conan, they're both Cimmerians, and they're both muscular guys who can swing a sword. There the resemblances end.

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Killed the franchise?
Not really.

Killed the thrill and enjoyment for fans of the original REH Conan, yes, but that's most movies for you.

They said Alien3 killed off the franchise, yet we had 3 more movies that followed it and now Ridley Scott is giving a massive middle finger to the reboot/remake culture of Hollywood with Prometheus.

As long as someone can make money out of rechurning out crap like Conan 2011, there will be a franchise. The thousands of people who never saw Conan 1982 when it came out or never discovered it's 'cheesy crap charm' will flock to whatever Conan blockbuster action flick is released.


But you will NEVER get a proper Conan film.


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Yeah except Prometheus is looking better and better the closer it gets to release. Plus Ridley Scott only directed Alien, which was a great and very atmospheric movie.

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As long as someone can make money out of rechurning out crap like Conan 2011, there will be a franchise.

This Conan movie lost a lot of money. Box office totals just over half the production budget. That's a disaster

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This Conan movie lost a lot of money. Box office totals just over half the production budget. That's a disaster


Didn't Blade Runner also bomb at the box office, only to become one of the most revered films ever to do so?
I admit the comparison is almost pointless, since Blade Runner is actually a good film, but for the sake of argument...

Anyway, I hear rumours that Arnie was so incensed by this steaming pile of crap that he's finally agreed to come back and make Conan The King!!
At least the series will have that... I only hope it's as enjoyable as the other two.


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Anyone think this flick killed off the Conan franchise, least as far as movie are concerned?
Hopefully!

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Let's see:
Total Cost 70 Million bucks.
Total Gross:21 Million dollars.
Yeah, that is a franchise killer failure.
And when you figure the studio only got around 11 Million back (studios only keep a little more then half the gross of a film) the failure becomes greater.

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Good, stop neutering our childhood heroes. Just look at James Bond now, pffft.
They're all morphing into prissy little women. Next, we'll get a Spiderman that shoots out candy hearts rather than webs.

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I'd say this movie was a big enough bust and bad enough to end any fears that Jason Momoa will ever get a lead role again in anything but a "Baywatch: Where are they now?" special. Fans waited in vain for Schwarzenegger to reprise the role back in the late 80's, and will likely be waiting at least another decade-plus for the stink of this movie to dissipate.

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Am I the only one who's read Howard's books in past 20 years? This movie was NOT great, but neither were the books! Howard's plots were simple, his dialog was awful, it was his CHARACTER of Conan that was brilliant.
The simple fact is that Conan was written for teenage boys in the repressive 50's and early 60's, and it just doesn't translate to modern audiences.
This movie didn't kill the franchise, the 'franchise' has never existed, it simply can't. Peter Jackson could do this movie with a billion-dollar budget and it would fail in the theaters. A 'true' rendition of the Conan stories on the big screen would require an 'X' rating, not 'R'. And that will never happen.

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The movie was bad but not as terrible as I thought it would be. By no means would I recommend it to anybody but the action scenes were half decent and there was a lot of blood and gore. On the other hand the story was thin to non existent, the movie dragged, and the acting was awful. The Cg was uneven. Sometimes it was passable other times it looked awful. The lead actor was bland and boring, obviously hired because they did not want to pay anybody that much to star in the movie.

I still prefer the original movie with Arnold even though that one is not a masterpiece. The sequel to that movie isn't great either.

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Regarding future movies, yes, this killed any chance for a new movie in the near future. The movie was a flop, plain and simple.

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Howard wrote the Conan 'saga' in the Thirties. He was influenced by Edgar Rice Burroughs' 'John Carter of Mars' series (another series neutered by Hollywood), HP Lovecraft (allegedly a friend while both were writing for 'Weird Tales'). Other than getting the date wrong, I agree with your post.

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The simple fact is that Conan was written for teenage boys in the repressive 50's and early 60's

Impressive, since Howard died in 1936

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"Did this kill the franchise?"

Yes, it did.

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I wasn't too keen on the film but like spiderman & batman,changing the character breathes new life & attracts a wider following.In this case they didn't change the character as such.Just rewrote the entire Conan saga & made a mess of the story.
At least Mamoa attracted a new audience even if it is a bunch of hysterical women...how did Howard discribe Conan in the film "The Whole Wide World"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2MwAy6njlM

So,maybe they got something right.

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Oh they got many things right. More's the shame. Its bombing killed the franchise.

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