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Movies that drag on a story they have established in the 15 minutes


Though this movie is by no means bad, I can't help but feel it's one of those films that drags on for far to long. I could see the story of this movie being told from start to end in 20 minutes as a short film.

I get it. It's a movie about the question of determinism. What kind of lives could I have led. What is time. How do we perceive it. etc. etc.

Other movies that gave me a similar feeling are The Tree of Live and Enter the Void. These movie feel like the result of talented movie directors having to much creative freedom ( I can't believe I'm saying this, but I am ). It's just drags one for to long/

How do you guys feel about this?

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While I get what you're saying, I really don't understand why you would point this out for this movie when the same can be said for most movies in existence? And fictional stories in general. They're drawn out to entertain.

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This movie is no way entertaining. Gimme a standard 3 act structure over this arty wanker crap

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Quite the imagination you have there.

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Do you send jokes into Boys Life magazine, Hairy?

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That's a rather naive statement. Could one imagine cutting The Good, The Bad And the Ugly down to 20 minutes? How about Bergman's Persona, or Fellini's 8 1/2 or Tarkovskiy's Zerkalo? That's absurd. Some movies run for far too long, and quite frankly, Mr. Nobody was one of them. Personally, I don't know if it could be crammed into 20 minutes without losing its main themes and meanings, but it could certainly have been contained to an hour. This movie started with a semi-original message, one we've all considered before, and decided to show it in a pretty basic manner insofar as the content could be dealt with. Unfortunately, Mr. Nobody lacked any real depth beyond its main exploration of the choices and crossroads that confront us in each of life's decisions. It explored that aspect to death and ended up trying to be more important than it was precisely because it thought that it had more to say than it really did. I think the director took on took much here, and besides the Anna story, the rest of the movie felt greatly in need of further development. Intellectually, it was rather disappointing. We were given long intervals of time before anything new or interesting was said or done. The one thing that managed to keep my attention, and keep me from turning the film off an hour before it ended, was the cinematography, which was quite stunning.

Mr. Nobody is certainly a good movie to begin with for young teens or anyone who has taken an interest in philosophy, but that's where it ends. It's an introductory film to deeper, sophisticated films, as its subject matter demonstrates clearly enough, and there's nothing wrong with that. But people need to stop pretending that it's greater than it really is, although I suspect the same people who are doing this are also those people who are using it as an introduction. If that's the case then I don't mind, and I'm glad to see their enthusiasm.

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90 minutes and all in chronological order, and please more explosions and nudity, also some johny depp or megan fox would be nice.... (pirates or blue aliens are also good hur hur)

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT WATCH IT go back to your crap and leave the art to the people who can aprecciate it!

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Yeeaah, so what I take from your reply was that you just completely didn't read my post.

And btw, the whole "if you don't like it don't watch it" tagline, it just doesn't work & far too overused. In order to not like it, I had to first watch it. And if a message board for any given movie excludes everyone but fans of the movie, well, then we don't get a very accurate representation of the quality of the film do we? Then every movie would be rated 10 out of 10. I cannot comprehend why fans tell everyone who doesn't like something to get off the message board and talk about something they liked, it's so juvenile. Is your opinion so weak that it can't withstand a few critical comments? Then maybe you need to re-think it. What are you guys, the thought-police? If all I ever wanted to do was discussed my likes and completely purge my mind of anything I dislike, as if I'd never experienced it to begin with, I'd be a pretty dull and uninformed person. And conversations would be boring!!

So, maybe if you can come up with a genuine response to what I said, something that actually merits critical consideration, and none of these lame fall-back lines "johnny depp, megan fox hur hur hur, leave art to the people who can appreciate it!" that are just clichéd responses to avoid actually having to assess your own opinion - or cover up the fact that you cannot assess it - until you can do that, why don't you stick to the portions of the message board that are a little lighter for now?

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While I don't agree with your original analysis of Mr. Nobody I wholeheartedly agree with your latter post about the "if you don't like it don't watch it" - response. Thank you.

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I'll tell you precisely what you missed (through no fault of your own) and why so many people adore this movie.

You are absolutely correct in saying that the intellectual thematic points that the movie was trying to make could have been made in far less time. In fact, I would say exactly 81 minutes:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0130827/combined.
(And if you recognize Ives's "The Unanswered Question" as the music playing whenever Manni and Lola are in bed, you understand that the movie has more depth than it's often given credit for; there's no way it shouldn't be in the top 1000 at TheyShootPitcures.com.)

But the point of the movie's length is not to make you think about its argument about causality, chance, and forking paths. It's to make you feel it. And that's not going to work for every brain; if it didn't work for yours, that's not a fault of the film. Or of you. Just a mismatch.

I had this film hyped to me by both Netflix's prediction (4.6 out of 5) and a buddy whose taste I trust completely and who assured me I would love it. So I went in thinking it might well become an all-time favorite. At the halfway point, I was thinking, this is really good, but there's no way it's going to be a top 100 all-time film for me; Netflix and my buddy oversold it.

And then, as the multiple story paths gained more complexity, instead of saying, "yeah, I get it already, multiple branches," I started to feel the movie's message at a deep emotional level. The argument about the multiplicity of possible lives penetrated through the cerebral cortex and got right down into my reptile brain. By the end of the movie, I pretty much felt as if I'd been lifted out of space and time and were experiencing Einstein and Minkowski's block universe, where past, present, and future exist simultaneously, combined with the branching multiverse of the Everett Many Worlds Interpretation, where all possibilities are realized. And not just experiencing them intellectually, but really feeling what all that meant, whether you take it literally (which I don't; Everett is all wrong) or metaphorically.

For me, the movie could have been 30 minutes longer, with yet more forking paths, and it would have all been gravy. But your complaint is a valid one for those whose brains are wired differently. It just wasn't trying to do what you wanted it to.

Prepare your minds for a new scale of physical, scientific values, gentlemen.

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Absolutely, emotion (feeling) is much the point of (good) film. Of course you can get the gist of the story in a few minutes. You can read the synopsis on the top of the IMDB page in 30 seconds, and they are often accurate. And how many films that I love are based on 80 page novellas or 8 minute shorts?

Feature length is around the minimum time to absorb you in a world. This film did that brilliantly I think. Much more so than a description of the central conceit would have led me to believe, either.

Also, never sure why people complain about this. Always seems to be people who like the trite action film, and those can be very adequately cut down to 20 minutes more effectively than anything. Some friends and I did that to Die Hard on two VHS decks in college. Well, we made sure the last shooting scene was intermixed so the cop shot the bad guy about 21 times with his revolved, cause more action is always good, right?

Why bother playing the whole damned videogame when the introductory cut scenes give you the gist of the storyline?

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And then, as the multiple story paths gained more complexity, instead of saying, "yeah, I get it already, multiple branches," I started to feel the movie's message at a deep emotional level. The argument about the multiplicity of possible lives penetrated through the cerebral cortex and got right down into my reptile brain. By the end of the movie, I pretty much felt as if I'd been lifted out of space and time and were experiencing Einstein and Minkowski's block universe, where past, present, and future exist simultaneously, combined with the branching multiverse of the Everett Many Worlds Interpretation, where all possibilities are realized. And not just experiencing them intellectually, but really feeling what all that meant, whether you take it literally (which I don't; Everett is all wrong) or metaphorically.


I envy you your experience of watching Mr Nobody, as that's exactly my kind of thing.

Unfortunately I must be one of those whose brain is wired differently, because I only ended up feeling tired at the end, with mixed emotions about the film.

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Wanna get wasted?

Take a drink every time someone stares with a 'surprised look' straight into the camera that's zooming either in or out.

You'll pass out before you have a chance to even get bored at this crap.

Artsy-wanky is right.. I am gonna use that.

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its not about determinism... its about the chaotic uncertainty that his life could go so many different ways at each point... and it was beautifully done. Personally I enjoyed every minute of it and I don't think it could have been shortened to 20 minutes in fact I'd like to have known more like the full story with the oriental woman (what had he done to put him in that state?) or what happened with his father (why was he in a wheel chair?), and a thousand other possibilities, but then I like a film that leaves much to the audience's imagination and this film was superbly done and thoroughly entertaining.

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RIGOLETTO: I'm denied that common human right, to weep.

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Actually, there is a director's cut, about 15 minutes longer, which goes on to explain, for example, how his father ended up like he did.

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Her name was Jean. Don't refer to people as Oriental.

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totally disagree this movie has nothing to do with determinism. everything you saw in the movie happened simultaneously. it plays with the many worlds interpretation and perceived contraction of the universe.

i agree with you that story could be told in 20 minutes. but then that would cut out 2 hours or so of pure enjoyment.

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I disagree with you. The film actually uses both the many worlds theory and determinism. Otherwise there would be no sense in predicting or having a sense of predicting. When the boy speaks of knowing what is to come, it has nothing to do with what could happen, but what will happen in his specific timeline in one non splitting linear path. Also, his ideas about contraction and causality just pissed me off. He tries to make it so that time will go backwards but at a brief moment forward to actually have us experience it(moving forward and apparently with positive outcomes). At times, I feel the director/writer just didn't know what he was talking about. I agree with your last statement though.

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Actually NOTHING happens, there are no timelines, no time going backwards or forward.

It's just about possibilities in the head of a kid that's put trough a hard choice: go with the mother or stay with the father. Is the "do not choose" a valid choice? How would your life unravel based on that choice?
It's as simple as that.

You're overthinking.

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So in other words, this movie is another one of those gimmicky "It was all just a dream, so nothing means anything"-things that people should already hate with a burning passion? My thoughts exactly.

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Nope, it's not. You failed to understand the topic of the movie. It's not a dream. And nothing means everything.

Hate it if you want, but that's on you.

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I agree about it being too long. While it was interesting and engaging at first, it just went on too long and jumped around too much. You need to stay with a storyline in order to establish an emotional connection with the characters in it. Other than his scenes as a young man with Anna, none of the other scenes did that adequately. It seemed to want to be more important and meaningful than it ended up being in the end.

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perfect length, there was too much to say... if it was shorter it wouldn't have worked so well... Loved it, every minute of it.

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Hm. I had no problem having an emotional connection with the characters, despite the non-linear plot line(s).

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You can also take a drink every time this movie reminds you of or references another, usually better movie.

Butterfly Effect is mentioned.

The whole premise is stolen from Space Odyssey 2001 ending (which makes sense if you get it, but this moviemaker team didn't get it).

Forrest Gump 'feather flying' scene is repeated with a leaf.

I think even The Terminator makes some kind of appearance, and everyone should think of Donnie Darko with this movie.

It's a mish-mash of other movies, but not done very well, and it tumbles down the pit of its own gimmicks and never gives the viewer anything coherent to chew on, except thousand tons of injected romance.

If I TRIED, I couldn't make a movie this bad and badly messed up.. and I don't even make movies.

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Have you ever seen La Jetée the short film original version of 12 monkeys??

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Gallup question? Answer: no.

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So, I just came across this little diddy of a flick and I'm walking away completely torn. On the one hand, i agree with you that the film made its point in the first 20 minutes. On the other, I love some of the themes and theories this movie plays with. The ideas of chaos and string theory, the multiverse and fate are concepts that are mind-blowingly rich, and ones that I have wrestled with and interwoven while writing my own memoir. Because of that, I think the bulk of the movie was necessary and what it did was allow these very different "possibilities" to play out to fruition. I think what it also did for the film was to allow the ending to come as a bit of a surprise (at least for me). I thought the film was going full blown with the idea of the multiverse and that the old Mr. Nobody really was born with the ability to see all the different "lives" that could/would result from all the choices and variables of his life, however, each "variable" died in some way or another (usually drowning) and the Old Mr. Nobody was the only survivor, but he survived with the knowledge and memories of all those different lives. I was running with that hypothesis through much of the film, so at the end, when we are told that in fact the entire film was the imaginings of the 9 year old Nemo I was kind of like, "huh, now ain't that interesting." It reminded me of the film "Stay" in which the entire narrative takes place inside the imagination of a man dying on a bridge (a film I would highly recommend). But something else I loved about this film is that it in some way tries to actually answer some of these questions that arise from the theoretical physics that play such a strong thematic role. At one point, Nemo doing the science documentary says that no one knows what will happen if/when the Big Crunch occurs. Anna has predicted the Big Crunch happening, and then it does, and we see time reverse itself and run backwards and Old Nemo is the happiest he has ever been, because he will get to live what he considers a "full" life over again, only this time backwards. Really thought provoking stuff. I also agree that the cinematography was marvelous in this film, and there is a definite strong influence of Stanley Kubrick on this movie, which Kubrick too used his films to wrestle with the "big questions" about life, humanity, and existence.
There has always existed media for the masses and media for intellectuals in our society. That is not to say a film cannot be enjoyed by either group, but this is not a "Pirates of the Carribean," or "Transformers," and for those that enjoy only those types of movies, this movie will not work for you.

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Yeah but Nemo can never be happy, or at least never experience it. Living life in reverse is exactly that: reverse. That means, no action is ever to be experienced the way it came about with intention. Essentially, life, if anything, will become meaningless in every way that life has meaning now. It would only be "meaningful" to anything that caused all of it to happen in the first place.

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it was very poorly executed. they could told made more interesting stories while exploring other timelines.

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I resented the sexualization of the children in the film, the wet dream fantasy that all women want it and above all the pretension that we should sit through this film because the actors are beautiful and it is supposedly teaching us something about the life of a man condemned to die just because he's supposedly the last living moral on earth; whereas it says nothing about why it's set in a future time when people no longer die. I also don't like being jerked around in time as if my brain were on acid. This director needs a lesson in humility and perhaps the box office gave him one.

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Lol. No one cares.

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I really don't understand what you mean that children were sexualized. There is a difference in representing teenagers having sex with each other, which is something teenagers do (also, those sex scenes were in my opinion beautifully done and really conveyed how strong the bonding was between the two characters), and sexualizing them as in putting them in sexualized outfits, make them do sexualized poses etc. I think you are confusing romanticism and sexualization. Some scenes like the sex scenes were highly romanticized but this is not to say they are also sexualized.

Also, clearly the focus and emphasis was not on the fact that women want sex. The point of the film was to portray love, and people in love also tend to have sex, so there's that.

If you don't understand why it's set in the future when the film actually exposes the viewer to this towards the very end, you need to go rewatch it. It's set in the future because as old Nemo says, it's all the creation of a 9-year-old child. None of it really exists. The future doesn't exist.

Last but not least, if you don't like being mentally jerked around, stay away from films that follow a non-linear plot and attempt to portray deeper messages than Mr. Nobody then, because those films tend to try to jerk with the viewer's minds because that's what good art does.

The box office merely reflects the narrow view of today's watchers. This film is not highly accessible to the general audience because it is confusing, has a non-linear plot, has deeper intellectual messages and a story structure that the general audience may not be accustomed to, in addition to the cinematography which is gorgeous.

I think it's a beautifully told film but definitely not for everyone as it does require some investment from the viewer's part. This is what the box office numbers really depict, as they do most other films that requires a bit of an engagement from the viewer.

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Yeah but you dont need a sex scene to show that two people are in "Love". Good Writing can do that just fine. Gone with the Wind And Casablanca didn't need a Sex Scene. And Frankly the majority of the Sex Scenes just slowed down the paced of the Movie. Everytime it came up. I was like "Yes we know their screwing. Can we get back to the plot please."

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"I was like "Yes we know their screwing. Can we get back to the plot please.""

You were grammatically incorrect when watching this movie?

"THEIR"???

You mean "THEY'RE"?

How can people still make this mistake? "THEY ARE" becomes "THEY'RE". The SPACE and A are replaced by apostrophe, THAT'S IT.

How the HELL do you go from that to 'THEIR'??! HOW?!

Also, 'plot please' needs an Oxford Comma. How illiterate are you?

It should be "plot, please".

Also also - - - WHAT PLOT?! THIS STUPID CRAPFEST DOES NOT HAVE A PLOT!!

You faill in all levels, go home.

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" It's set in the future because as old Nemo says, it's all the creation of a 9-year-old child. "
"I really don't understand what you mean that children were sexualized. There is a difference in representing teenagers having sex with each other"

So, a 9-year old child imagining teenagers having sex... and you don't understand?

There's SEX ACT in the mind of a 9-year old CHILD! Clear enough for ya? (Just using your own examples)

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Yeah, you still don't get it.

Zero, and I mean ZERO understanding of the themes of this movie.

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