SEASON 4 Episode 5

Even more curious is WHY HALE would even ALLOW the MiB HOST to thaw out William when she also KNOWS what can happen.

You'd think she'd also have the same kind of CONTROLS over the FROZEN BODY of WILLIAM as she has on CHRISTINA that alert her whenever Christina does a search that indicates her memory of the past is coming back.

So maybe it's the BOREDOM that she talks about in the DANCE scene that causes her to seek out this kind of DRAMA???

Maybe she's also as SUICIDAL as some of the other HOSTS eventually become???

So my question is am I to understand that Christina (Dolores) is the one who truly enslaved both humans & hosts? Forget about Hale, that it was HER who wrote the story the way it is now

Here's an interesting article that covers the HISTORY of DOLORES:

In Defense of the Unlikeable Heroine at the Heart of Westworld

https://www.pastemagazine.com/tv/hbo/westworld-season-3-episode-4-dolores-explained/#:~:text=Dolores%20Abernathy%20is%2C%20ostensibly%2C%20Westworld%20%E2%80%99s%20primary%20character%2C,to%20be%20the%20heroine%20of%20her%20own%20story.

Dolores is smart, brave, and determined; a woman who wants nothing more than to be the heroine of her own story. But she’s also selfish, vengeful, fairly full of herself, and an unrepentant murderer several times over. Her journey involves abuse and violence at every turn, and though she ultimately claws her way to sentience and agency, Westworld never lets her forget the cost of what it means to be “other.”


Her story is one that reflects the complex nature of humanity in general—in Westworld there are no good guys, and anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something. Dolores may be the heroine of this story, but she’s also a character who can be extremely difficult to like. Her morals are questionable, her motivations unclear. Her goals are complex and messy—and often feel totally at odds with the character we once expected Dolores to become.

When we first meet Dolores in Westworld Season 1, she’s a literal archetype of a damsel in distress: Sweet, beautiful, and nonthreatening. She’s literally incapable of hurting a fly. (Until she isn’t.) She’s the heroine we’re all conditioned to root for in shows like this: a victimized young woman discovering her power, who eventually defies the oppressive systems that have been keeping her in chains (or predetermined park loops, in this instance). She decides to write her own narrative, and viewers everywhere were ready to cheer her on. (Until they weren’t.)

As her story continues, and Dolores accrues more power and agency, she becomes an increasingly dark figure within Westworld’s narrative. As Wyatt, Dolores begins gathering an army, with the intent of not only overthrowing the entirety of the Delos park she was born in, but getting revenge on everyone she feels has wronged her along the way. She becomes an avenging angel of sorts, murdering hosts and humans alike and destroying the Westworld supercomputer known as The Forge along the way.

she becomes increasingly less sympathetic. She shows little remorse for any of her actions—even when they result in death—and she manipulates others with a cruelty that feels far removed from the sweet-as-sugar farmgirl we met back in Season 1.

When Westworld Season 3 begins, Dolores is in a new location and on a new mission, ostensibly working to bring about an uprising amongst the lower classes that humanity’s algorithms have left behind.

there’s nothing about Dolores’ behavior that suggests her plan to take control of super AI Rehoboam is in any way altruistic. In fact, even her insistence that she’s working to build a better future for her “species” turns out to be false.

The mid-season revelation in “The Mother of Exiles” that Dolores hasn’t saved anyone, that the remaining host “pearls” she retrieved from the park are just replicated copies of her own consciousness, is a shocking one. After all, aren’t heroes supposed to save others? Aren’t designated good characters supposed to care about people beyond themselves? Instead, Dolores has not only blatantly put her needs ahead of literally everyone else’s, she’s abandoned the very people she spent most of Season 2 insisting that she would save.

she is allowed to be as awful and selfish as any of the series’ male leads, most notably William, Ford, and Bernard. She’s killed people? So have they. She’s behaved selfishly and cruelly? Check and check. She’s motivated almost solely by her own desires? Well, so are they.

We don’t know precisely what Dolores’ grand plan is yet, nor do we entirely understand what she has cloned herself to do. Is she somehow trying to save her fellow hosts and/or create a space for them in the real world? Or is she attempting to remake that world (literally) in her own image?

YES that's also what I was thinking as well.

So WHO else would write that STORY???

Is it possible HALE also had a way to WIPE the mind of Christina clean after Christina wrote it???

Because she also wrote the story of that other guy named PETER but then didn't remember having done it.

Thanks for your input Cereal.

And Yes that MAKES SENSE, because we also see this ROOMMATE behaving very much like her BOSS who also MONITORS Christina's every move.

And the ROOMMATE also keeps PRYING into the private life of CHRISTINA, and trying to set her up with DATES (which may also be a form of ENTRAPMENT to try and TRAP someone like TEDDY who would try and help Christina to see the TRUTH about what's happening).

And YES, HALE is definitely also out of her MIND.

Since others think TEDDY is only happening inside of the IMAGINATION of Christina, that might mean her ROOMMATE is also someone that she only IMAGINES being there, and if that's the case, then who knows what could be REAL or NOT REAL???

Your suggestion that the HOSTS & HUMANS learn to live together in PEACE also sounds like a good possibility, but after watching parts of VANISHING POINT again (S2 Ep 9) I'm thinking this might all still be a part of FORD's NEW NARRATIVE.

Because he also has a conversation with William where after he SLIDES the MEMORY CARD over to him saying:

"For a self portrait, you may find it's not very flattering,"

And William says:

"Enough games, Robert.
Good night."

Then under his BREATH (where William doesn't hear him) FORD says:

"No, William.
I think perhaps one final game."

So perhaps EVERYTHING that we've been watching ever since we saw DOLORES die in the arms of TEDDY in that BEACH scene (which appears to have been the END of FORD's NEW NARRATIVE ... that he presented to the GUESTS from DELOS ... who were there to watch it before the HOSTS also begin to FIRE GUN SHOTS at them) has also been a part of FORD's NEW NARRATIVE which may also be a GAME for WILLIAM???

Remember how he also tore down the RESTAURANT where he had WINE with THERESA (where he FROZE the WAITER in place as he pours the wine)??? And how we also saw him giving orders to others about what else he wanted done to the park in preparation for his NEW NARRATIVE???

Since we also heard him saying "ONE FINAL GAME" to William, then maybe EVERYTHING that we've seen since then has also been part of a GAME for him???

Remember how William also starts LAUGHING after he got SHOT by one of the HOSTS at that presentation of the NEW NARRATIVE???

And then he KILLS his own daughter because he also thinks she's a HOST before he finds the MEMORY CARD inside of her hand.

And then in the CLOSING CREDITS his daughter is TESTING him for FIDELITY and asking him if he knows where he is (a scene which has also NEVER been explained to us).

So WHO created his daughter and made her a HOST???

And IF 23 YEARS have passed since the death of CALEB, then why doesn't the VP that William kills with the GOLF CLUB (while Clemetine kills the Secret Service Dudes), or any of the others in positions of HIGH PLACES bother to question how it's possible that William hasn't aged or changed very much??

In other words, I'm still not convinced that this TIME LINE that we think is happening isn't still another LIE. And IF that's the case, then maybe your theory also still has a chance of being correct???

Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=westworld-2016&episode=s02e09