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I quite enjoyed the movie. Let me tell you what it's about!


I'm a big fan of the Coen brother films, and based on the previews this was a madcap comedy, in the vein of Intolerable Cruelty, Razing Arizona, and Burn after Reading.

But it's not.

Rather, this is a complex film that is much closer to The Man Who Wasn't There, Barton Fink, and (especially) A Serious Man.

So it's actually very in-character for a Coen brothers film. Just not the way the trailers made it out to be.

The movie is very subtle and deeply layered. I'm not going to make you wait for it - the film is about authority. Who has it? How do they get it? Do people give it to them? And if so, why?

This theme is most clearly enunciated during the scene with Baird (George Clooney) and his communist "kidnappers." They talk about the body & the head. The little guy & the boss. It's a bit confusing exactly who is "the little guy" and who is "the boss" - several different perspectives are expressed. But it's generally agreed upon that they are "for the little guy" and presumably represent that angle.

Through the character of Mannix (Josh Brolin) we explore this theme in several ways. On the surface Mannix is "the head" of the studio. He tells everyone what to do, and fixes problems. The studio's body would fall apart without Mannix! But Mannix also has a boss - the offscreen owner of the studio who lives in New York but gets a daily phone call. And Mannix is very serious about his faith - so God (or the church) is also his boss.

We explore the theme of authority through several discussions about faith and diety - most explicitly in the scene in which 4 religious leaders discuss whether the film "Hail Caesar" treats the topic of Christ with respect. Their answers are all over the map - unity is division, division is unity, Christ is God, or a man who is the Son of God, or both, or neither. All four men are pleased though at the mention of Baird Whitlock - because his celebrity gives "authority" to the film's production.

The fictional film-within-a-film echoes this theme again. There is no Caesar in the film - the authority is absent, but felt. The extra playing Christ doesn't know if he is an extra or a principle. Also, the fictional film has the same name as the actual film we watch - so who then is in authority?

At one point, Mannix talks with Hobie Doyle (Alden Ehrenreich) about the kidnapping, and Hobie gives another viewpoint on authority. To him, it's the extras who lack authority - because they aren't invested in the work. Everyone else on-and-off screen is a vital part of the film, but the extras come and go. Mannix reinforces this idea near the end, when he slaps Baird and tells him that pictures have value, and so long as Baird can do work in service of the picture, his actions have value as well.

The resolution of all this questioning - and there is a clear resolution - comes from Mannix's decision about whether or not he should leave Capital pictures (as opposed to Communist pictures?) and take a more stable job doing things "that matter." The question of whether or not work matters (or gossip matters, etc) is another big theme - some people have suggested that it's the central theme. But to me the validation of work is all about authority - so the question of authority trumps it as the main theme.

So by the end Mannix decides to stay - because whether he's the body or the head, he's part of a functioning organism that produces something of merit. And being part of that something is what matters. We all produce work, but we also all create the authority that we serve.

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It also (to my limited understanding) deals quite profoundly with economic philosophy and structure.
If I get it correctly, the premise of the film, in that sense, is that the social/economic structure is the same as it always was since it's establishment in Roman times, and that the class system pretty much remains the same.
Religion serves as fiction, designed to ease the conciousness of the manipulators and act a façade, as well as socialism within a capitalistic system. everyone conforms in some way or other to the established system, although everyone in the film (with the possible exception of nuclear guy) prefers to live the lie and talk about (and actually believe in) Ideals to mask their actions.
Of course the Coens refer to countless other subjects (role of skilled artists, philosophers etc' in that context), but that, imo, is what's at the heart of this film.
I only saw it once (smiled and LOL'd all the way through it), but that's what I take from it.

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The analogy you draw between Religion and Socialism is interesting. I think a similar subtextual analogy is drawn in "The Ladykillers" between Capitalism and Socialism (within the capitalist system). Professor Dorr's speech after the scoop starts with a socialist vibe, including the (first half of) the communist motto "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs", and ends with him saying "we merry band, unbound by the constraints of society and the prejudices of the common ruck", which, on the one hand, is basically the attitude, with which the capitalist elite handles its "corporate *beep* but, on the other hand, also reflects the notion of the Russian Bolsheviks, that it takes a committed elite to realize Communism.
Also, in "The Ladykillers" one has the casino "The Bandit Queen" as metaphor for financial Capitalism, and in "Merrily We Dance", one of the films within the film "Hail, Caesar!", the character name "Monty" derives from "Monte Carlo", if you buy the "Rebecca" reference. ;-)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0475290/board/thread/255215053

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Interesting. The movie has a bit of the Hagakure in it - The way of the Samurai. Someone who is absolutely devoted to his master, in this case the movie.

EDIT: Added a little bit of hyperbole and cynicism.

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i enjoyed this movie too. i guess you have to be older to relate and remember movies from the 50's so you can understand the parody. these youngsters just dont get it. it is their loss.

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I'm older and I can relate to the old studio films. I thought this film was interesting and enjoyable - better than most crap released nowadays -, but instantly forgettable. IMO it ranks near the bottom of their cinematic output, just above Intolerable Cruelty

it rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again

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This movie is about 20 years too late. I immediately recognized the 'story lines' and what Hollywood stars in REAL LIFE they relate to. Scarlett Johanssen was the stand out - no question, but the rest can be summed up in 'blah blah blah...Hollywood!' Who cares anymore? In the age of social media it just doesn't have the same punch. And using film instead of digital did nothing to save this dog. Woof. PS. The Cohen Brothers are hit and miss - Fargo was amazing, but Burn After Reading I couldn't get through. Another one in the why did I rent it and maybe the Cohen Brothers can send me a refund.

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I can tell you what it's about. It's about 105 minutes too long!

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I can tell you what it's about. It's about 105 minutes too long!


So you're saying it would have been better as a 30-minute TV episode?

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Thank you mr-simon-strange for this post. I'm so glad I read this before watching. Ok love the Cohen brothers, but didn't watch this film because of bad reviews. For some reason I was expecting it to be, well, not sure exactly. But I should have known that the Cohen brothers would knock it out of the park. I truly loved this film but only because of your insights.

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So glad to help!

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Such an interesting analysis. I'll have to watch the movie again.

Have you seen the description of the movie being the story of Jesus, with Mannix as Jesus? The theory is a different take than yours, but it lines up as well.

This whole thread has been an interesting read. Serious movie discussions are always better than a string of threads saying THIS MOVIE SUX!!

cheers!





Hitler! C'mon, I'll buy you a glass of lemonade.

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Indeed! I didn't talk about it directly, but the tale of Christ is a classic example of uncertain authority & authorial power. Although the modern reading of Christ's sacrifice is very clear - Christ himself experienced things in a very muddy way. Who is pulling the strings? In service to who? And do the major players in a drama need to understand their significance, in order to play an essential part?

In the context of the movie, Capitol pictures is producing "Hail, Ceaser!" - which they describe as "the story of the Christ." So it's entirely reasonable to say that the film "Hail, Ceasar!" that exists in our world is itself a metaphoric re-interpretation of that same story.

The Coen brothers certainly enjoy using scripture as inspiration - I've already compared this film to "A Serious Man" - which I feel is their closest effort in terms of style and content. That film begins with a crystal-clear scripture story, and the rest of the film is a less-clear modern exploration of those themes.

Thanks for the comment! I love that people are enjoying the film, and that I get to be part of that enjoyment.

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Very nice. I like how you can fold that Christ idea directly into your theory. It makes sense.

I love the depth of the Coen Bros. films. They have surface entertainment, but then you can start peeling back the layers.

A friend of mine has a theory about The Big Lebowski. He thinks it's a combination of The Maltese Falcon, and Yojimbo. I'll have to see if he can flesh that out a bit more.


thanks!



Hitler! C'mon, I'll buy you a glass of lemonade.

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Falcon? More like "The Big Sleep"

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If you enjoyed this movie, you have terrible taste in movies. Really.

It sucked. Plain and simple. It dragged on and the dialog was incoherent, the dance scene was not necessary and some of the characters were not needed.
If you liked Coen Brothers films, rent out the Big Lebowski and Fargo..THOSE ARE THE BEST ONES.

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Yeah? Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. 😉

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"I quite enjoyed the movie. Let me tell you what it's about"
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Point is this movie SUCKS SO BAD, it doesn't matter what it's about.

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