I was disturbed by the clear bias even in the first lines of the film. Persia, which people should know is another name for Iran, was presented as a great and honorable civilization. Especially where they said wherever the Persians went, "order followed". Didn't they realize that the Persian Empire was created through invasion and occupation. THey said that Alamut souldn't havent been invaded but they were on their way to invading and conquering others as well.
With kids seeing this this is insidious liberal Hollywood propaganda in the Obama era that even Disney is into now. Do they realize that Iran is where they stone women to death for alledged adultery? Or where according to wikipedia marriages are often arranged between first cousins? That is the true Persia. That and the taking of the US embassy for over a year, the sponsorship of the Beirut barracks bombings, the supply of rockets to Hezbollah and the funding of terrorist Islamic militias in Lebanon.
Oh yeah and since they are into glorifying the Persian empire, they conveniently didn't reveal that the glory days of Iran, as well as Iraq (with Mesopotamia/Babylon) and Egypt all took place before the invention of Islam. After the invention of Islam by Muhammad in Saudi Arabia, which he forcibly spread throuhg teror, violence and invasion, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, and Pakistan all never reached their previous glory again.
Now imagine we have to go to war against Iran, and instead of an enemy country are kids are like why are we fighting Prince Dastan.....
I agree that Persia wasn't exactly the great happy civilized empire the movie made it out to be. It was indeed one of the more violent and brutal empires in history.
But comparing Persia to modern day Iran and vice versa is just idiotic. Are you suggesting that Persians are evil because 2000 years later the people who live in that area are known to stone women? That makes about as much sense as putting someone in prison because their great, great, great grandfather was a bad man.
The OP is just one of the growing number of morons who become computer literate and start spreading their divisive crap online at different places, like IMDb and Youtube. Best to ignore.
Shay! You're back! I thought you were going to watch this movie and then disappear off the face of this board forever, never to return!? What happened to your self-imposed exile, my friend?
(BTW, I have nothing to do with the OP's moronic post, nor do I support it, lest you revert back to your old conclusion-jumping ways and flame me for it again.)
Glad to hear from you, reach. :) You put a smile on my face. (I thought you hated me, the fool I am.)
I watched the movie SEVEN times in cinemas and I enjoyed each and every one of them. But I still visit this page now and then, though it mostly brings me pain to see most people totally misunderstanding and under-appreciating one of my all-time-favorite movies.
As for my "exile"... I have to spend much less time on the internet in order to finish my own story about the Assassins of Persia. :) And I'm almost done now.
Besides, I only wrote and read as much before, because I was extremely excited about the upcoming PoP movie. I will never ever feel this way again - but I really wish they made the damn sequel. :))
Don't get me wrong. I still hate this movie to death. I just finished watching Knight and Day 5 minutes ago. Although I felt some structural similarities between the two movies (the same running around all over the place from one location to another without so much as a clue to why the characters are doing what they are doing, or what motivation they have), I still enjoyed the movie a whole lot better than I will ever enjoy the PoP movie.
I never hated you. :P We just used to argue a *beep* lot. Heck, I don't even remember what we used to argue about! Not as much as me and ol' Grip though back in the old days, and at one point I did use to hate him, and even we kissed (figuratively only :P) and made up a long time ago.
I like this movie quite a bit, and I think the OP is completely misled about Persia's relation to Iran, but you are an incredibly arrogant a**hole. Thought I should let you know.
Here's some quick stats about your favorite movie, you overconfident dick:
The writers: Jordan Mechner, Boaz Yakin, Doug Miro, and Carlo Bernard. All American.
The producer: Jerry Bruckheimer. American.
Distributor:Walt Disney Company. American.
The lead actor: Jake Gyllenhaal. American.
Hmm, so this film as you know it wouldn't be possible without "fat Americans" (and really? if you think Jake Gyllenhaal is fat, you've got issues)? Yeah, some British actors and a British Director. Point still remains. And it's a pretty *beep* clear cut point, dumbass. Funny how things like that work. And if in actuality you don't mean to insult America and Americans (which I highly doubt, unless you are as moronic as you seem), quit calling people "Yankee fags." Ya get it, sunshine?
wow you are so so wrong. persia wasn the PERFECT empire.. but it was one of the MOST peaceful empires of all time.
Cyrus the great created the human rights cylinder.
Everyone under persian rule had freedom of religion, freedom of speech etc..
After invading babylon and freeing the jews from slavery, cyrus the great even kneeled before the baylonian pagan gods to show RESPECT. he himself was a monothiestic (zoroastrian).
you should watch some documantaries about the persian empire.
Women in the persian empire where more respected than women from any other nation, our navy general was a women. she let the entire persian navy.
We even had a day called "spandarmazgan" day of love and friendship.
Norooz was the persian new year, where people from all over the world would come willingly and show respect to the persian king, they would bring with them all kinds of gifts.
Darius the Great of Persia established the First Tax System, Customs Duties, Official Records and The Legal Code, in the world level.
Insurance by Government was started during Cyrus the Great of Persia. (Gardeshgari, Iran, March 2000).
Weight, Money and Measurements were standardized in Persia, for the first time, some 2, 500 years ago (Gardeshgari, March 2000)
The first accounting tools were found in Iran, belonging to 9,000 years ago. (Gardeshgari, March 2000).
The first brick invention took place in Iran. (Gardeshgari, Iran, March 2002).
According to the Shah-Namah of Ferdausi, the first caesarian operation (actually Persian-Birth) was done in Persia
The first anesthesia was practiced in Persia 1,000 B.C.
The first World Super-Highway, that connected the East and the West, was the Silk Road. It joined China to Europe; and its main part was Central Asia (Ancient Persia) with its many Caravans, Caravansarais, Bazaars, etc. etc.
The first time that the Navy was used in a Military Operation was by the Persian Army some 2,500 BC.
The first time that the ships were used as bridge to cross the river, was done by King Darius, who crossed the Nile and conquered Egypt.
The first ruler who planned and constructed the Suez Canal in Egypt was King Xerxes of Persia (539 B.C.).
The first time that a canal was built to connect two seawaters was by King Xerxes of Persia, who built the Xerxes' canal, near Greece, and attacked Greece, during the Persian Wars, 500 B.C. (International Herald Tribune, Nov. 15, 2001).
One of the earliest Legal Codes in the world is called The Law of the Medes and the Persians.
The first system of federal government was started in the Persian Empire.
The first secret service, called the eyes and the ears of the king, was started in Persia.
ONLY a civilized empire can accomplish so much. these inventions are only a FEW. there are so so many more things.
How can you bring MODERN Persia into the equation?? you mention stoning, this is happening NOW what does it have to do with the Sassanid empire?
(which was the HEART of world culture at that time period)
After islam was impossed on persia we have not done so well, but still even post-islamic persia has accomplished alot, look at persian poetry its the most beautiful poetry you can get, saadi's poetry is on the wall of the united nations. look at Hafez and Rumi they are one of the worlds greatest poets.
Look at Persian caligraphy and paintings,look at persian mosques in esfahan.
If you think that Persians where violent and just barbaricly invaded countries then i suggest you look at the Mongolian empire or perhaps how the Arabs enforced islam on the world..
just two critiques: xerxes' invasion of Greece was actually in 480BCE, not 500. And most of what you described was the Achaemenid Empire, not Sassanid.
We always try to remember the facts and even if we have to stray from it, we at least try to remember the way back. You the OP on the other hand, are lost in an orgy of propaganda and misrepresentation. If you need to feel hostile toward another country, at least do so for the right reasons, not demonise every aspect of their race, culture and religion to justify your stance.
All movies don't have to be accurate. They are based on things for a reason. To change the way things really happened and create a story out of it.
You're saying they should be more accurate about an empire in a movie about time traveling daggers?? Everyone knows you don't watch movies like this to learn anything and if they DO think that everything in this movie about Persia is 100% accurate then they are idiots to begin with.
Also, the story is told from the point of view OF THE PERSIANS! So of course it's going to make them look good. Just enjoy the story and stop being an idiot and over thinking things.
Islam isn't all "warfare and terror" either, you sound like a redneck that watches nothing but news all day.
OMG!!! This is the most idiotic post I have ever read!!! Why don't you brush up on history before writing this bull???? How about Inquisition, which killed half of the Europe for "herecy"??? They were Christians by the way, just in case you didn't know!!! And nobody "invented" Islam by the way, or you might say the same thing about Christianity!!! You need to be more respectful for other people's religions!!!!
"Inquisition, which killed half of the Europe for "herecy"???"
I'd like some references for 'killed half of Europe' as the Inquisition was mostly perpetrated in Spain against Jewish people. Perhaps it is you who should 'brush up on history'.
Now you are showing your ignorance of history, stating that Islam WAS an uncivilized way of life. It is now, but it wasn't in historical times. Between VIII and XIII century Islamic world was the center of civilization and religious tolerance (yes, there were times when Muslims were tolerant and Christians were fanatical). Muslims build advanced civilization almost right at the beginning, and after five centuries started to decline. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_golden_age - summary of Islamic golden age, and over 200 sources, if you want to know more.
Iran has only been an Islamic country for around 30 years compared to it's 2000+ years of existents. It probably wouldn't have ever become one if America didn't invade Iran in 1953 screwing the country up for life.
Iran has only been an Islamic country for around 30 years compared to it's 2000+ years of existents. It probably wouldn't have ever become one if America didn't invade Iran in 1953 screwing the country up for life.
Eh? Iran has been islamic for over a thousand years.
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@Terrapin, You might not know that stoning for adultry is based on Islamic sharia and is being done in all the Islamic countries that implement the law. It has nothing to do with old Persia. Persians in their time were the most advanced,civilized and well behaved nations compare to others.
Do you realize you've described every empire that ever existed? You don't become an empire by making friends. Your post is a failure in every way and shows your biased ignorance, and now it's forever written on the internet for the world to see and laugh at.
@ max, All Empires were violent except Perisan Empire which ruled by wisdom.The ones which ruled by force did not last as long as the Persian Empire. @ nos st racer,Iranians are not totally different from Persians in 3000 yrs ago as you say chinese for Germans. Just their genetic pool is getting wider after many invasions. @ op,You might not know that stoning for adultry is based on Islamic sharia and is being done in all the Islamic countries that implement the law. It has nothing to do with old Persia. Persians in their time were the most advanced,civilized and well behaved nations compare to others.
The internet used to be so fun until people like you discovered it (or maybe computer prices just came down far enough for the ignorant to finally be able to afford them). Now, it's impossible to go anywhere - YouTube, news sites, and now, IMDB apparently - without having to wade through a slough of divisive political crap (thanks, Strontium-ae!). You can beat your drum all you want - but no one with any intelligence, talent, or brilliance is actually listening to you. The people you label "liberal" are against the human rights atrocities that take place in Iran just as much as they're against the human rights violations that take place in the U.S. and elsewhere.
Perhaps you didn't notice that the Movie is about the prince of PERSIA, not Iran - and actually - Persia was a great and honorable civilization of learning where many of our modern concepts of human rights and law began. Plus, they gave us adorable, fluffy cats. If your kids are dumb enough to think that modern Iran is all "Prince Dastan", then you should get new kids - or be a better parent.
"Now imagine we have to go to war against Iran, and instead of an enemy country are kids are like why are we fighting Prince Dastan....."
Forgetting everything else in that horrible post, this could be done with any country, sure Iran might be a big deal at the moment but wars a fickle they jump around countrys like...something that jumps fast in 10 years we might be at war another country like Australia and kids then kids might say why are we fighting Pricilla (I don't know what kid would be watching that film)
In conclusion, kids are dumb you shouldn't listen to them, every country has its dark time in history, war is stupid I don't care what the reason is, taking facts from wikipedia is bad, your a borderline racist and...I don't know, Your an idiot Cheers :D