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Daniel was not "evil" or a sociopath


This is just my personal opinion from my observations after seeing the film many many times.

Yes, he "used" his child as a sweet face for his business but he truly cared for him and it shows several times throughout the movie. It was horrible that he abandoned him, but he didn't do it because he had no use for him after he went deaf. He did it because he didn't know how to tend to a child who was setting fires to his home and he didn't understand his condition or how to deal with it. Again, he felt horrible about it and after being forced to confront himself with it, he brought his son back. It's not like he just put him on a train and wished him luck, he had him sent to a home with other kids. It was a terrible thing, yes, but the fact that he realize that it was terrible and that he had made a mistake shows that he DID have compassion for the boy. Most men, especially single men, probably were not good at raising children on their own at the time. Not to mention juggling the several oil wells and businesses, I can imagine it was extremely difficult. But he did, for years, when he didn't have to.

While murder is never justified, honestly look at the people who he did kill. The man pretending to be his brother was taking advantage of him, and it hurt Daniel to know he was still alone in his mindset of just wanting to be alone and enjoy his success. He was lied to, manipulated and fooled into believing he had family when he really had none. The man was using him. He didn't deserve to die, sure, but he was no innocent. As for Eli, well just watch the movie and you can identify the reason he had for murdering him. Not to mention he had reached a point in his life where he was all alone, depressed and an alcoholic. Eli, after humiliating him and always trying to win one over on him, was trying to take advantage of this and just like the man who pretended to be his brother, was only wanting a slice of what he worked so hard to acheive for years. If both of these people had stayed out of his life, they would have survived, but they were absolutely no better than Daniel. If anything, they were worse because they didn't want to work for their success, they wanted to leech off of Daniel's.

The final scene with his son, he said some awful awful things, but it was because he felt betrayed. All Daniel had ever known was his business and his son, and to have his own son attempt to compete with him (as he saw it) as well as marrying the daughter of his enemy and running off, was obviously very hurtful for him even if in a way, he did deserve it. In turn, he wanted to hurt his son emotionally in the way he was hurt. The flashback scene shown shortly after was obviously written to show he really did love his son and this was what pushed him so deep into depression that he was hardly recognizable anymore.

In the beginning of the film, we see that he turns a place that was basically a slum into a nice place to live, providing food, roads, schools and even the church despite hating religion. He mourned the man who died on his oil rig and instead of just cracking the whip and forcing everyone to continue working, he allowed them a day or two to mourn as well. People claim he took advantage of Bandy but in reality, he just outsmarted him and did nothing illegal. Same with Eli. He was an aggressive business man, just like the hundreds that exist today that operate the businesses you probably support on a daily basis.

Was he perfect? No. Was he a saint? Hell no. Was he a psychotic, sinister sociopath who went around stealing and murdering for the hell of it? No. He said himself, he wanted to be left alone and to be away from people. If the man posing as his brother had never attempted to take advantage of him, if Eli hadn't attempted to revel in his pathetic state while trying to get money from him, he would have never killed anyone. It's not really an excuse, but to me, the comeuppance Daniel gets at the end is what he deserved and earned through his mistakes and actions through the film. Even with his enemies dead, he still has to live out the rest of his life with his worst enemy, himself.

Let me know if I forgot anything. I also want to hear your opinion on these things.

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Evil sociopath, I agree with the quotes below from other reviewers, while adding one other comment.

He viewed his son as a resource -In order to promote the idea he was family operation expressly to the folks with children. That's how he won the deal.

He abandoned his boy, because he was deaf and no longer could listen to him rambling. Instead he used his "brother" as a listener. -Then brutally murdered him.

He didn't even bother to learn 'sign language' to communicate with his son

Even his son realized his father never loved him in the last flashback. First it seems like a loving gathering, then Daniel puts Mary instead of H W. on his knee, and cruelly dismisses H. W., kicking and turning his back on him while stomping back up to the rig. You can then see the comprehension hit H. W., it was always like that.

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I agree with your comments. This is one thing that bothered me about the movie. I did not find Daniel evil. He did some bad things, but most of them were somewhat gray. The final murder I thought was really not supported by everything leading up to that; nothing justified that, and it was not really consistent with Daniel's prior behavior. (E.g. as you note the prior murder had at least some justification.) The movie would have made more sense (and probably become more cliche) if in fact Daniel had devolved into a purely evil person (e.g. killing or torturing people for no reason, or using violence to obtain land rights etc.); but all the way along he was just mostly bad, with some good traits (e.g. seeming to occasionally show true affection for the boy; e.g. when he took the boy from the explosion and tended to him, and then got the boy a teacher; these are not acts of an evil person). His treatment toward the preacher (leading up to the murder) could be justified as his desire to show the hypocrisy of the preacher. I just found a big disconnect in Daniel's character. Perhaps if Daniel became an evil person we would be saying that this was too predictable, and the movie shows the complexity of human nature; but I found it odd.

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Another example would be Adolf Hitler himself. There is footage of him playing with his pet dog and being kind to children. Most evil people are like that. They can turn on a dime.

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These People are on Daniel's nuts.

As you said, He cheats, lies, steals, murders, abandons child, uses religion, is unhappy... is a total sociopath and pure evil. I didnt like the film and he was a major reason why.

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It's all in the name: Plainview. He despised anyone who wasn't straight and up front with their motivations in any sort of interaction, whether it was with corporate oil hustlers pretending to have any interest in helping him or HW, with Eli's proselytizing (which Plainview saw purely as an attempt to control him), and of course his phony brother "Henry," the worst offender of them all. There was plenty of hypocrisy in Plainview's anger toward those he perceived as deceptive, since he himself entered situations under false pretenses, as when he first set foot on the Sunday ranch. One could argue he had to be this way occasionally by necessity of his trade, and if we could ask him he'd probably excuse himself for exactly that reason.

He's a brilliant character worthy of much discussion. I wouldn't call Plainview evil, but I would say he exhibited sociopath behavior. When Plainview threatened to cut the throat (and mean it) of the jerky guy from Union Oil, that was way over the line and the best indicator of his sociopath tendencies. As for murdering Henry, if that were Plainview's only instance of his anger and his uncharitable view of humankind leading to a most antisocial act, then I'd forgive that as a crime born of an intense burst of understandable rage. After that he killed Eli for similar reasons, ridding his life of a deceptive person who thought he could control him. If he wasn't locked up for this killing, then more surely would've followed.

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I agree that everyone misinterprets Daniel as an evil sociopath, especially in regards to HW. Often I find people just regurgitate someone else's analysis of a film because that is the common conception, rather than looking for evidence they see within the film to support their argument.

When looking for meaning in films, it's often important to take note of scenes and situations which have parallels to other scenes and situations in the film, as these often show change within the story and characters between those moments. For example, one situation that is repeated in the film is Daniel sitting in the train with HW.

Early on, when HW is still a baby, we see them sitting in a train together. HW is tugging on Daniel's moustache and Daniel smiles happily. They are about to start a new life together. Later on, when HW is being sent off to a school for the deaf, Daniel tells HW he is going to see the conductor, and we can clearly see tears of sadness coming from his eyes when he leaves him. Their bond is about to be broken.

These two moments of genuine emotion show a side of Daniel that a lot of viewers tend to ignore when trying to paint him as a sociopath. Given his emotional reaction, it's clear he feels upset and guilty at sending HW off without him, and this is not something a sociopath would do.

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Not to mention that (as the OP notes), even when Daniel verbally destroys HW after the youth decides to set out on his own, the movie shows flashbacks of Daniel lovingly enjoying HW's company at camp when HW was a child. So his wicked words are born out of his sense of betrayal.

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He was a narcissistic anti social power hungry alcoholic sociopath For almost three hours

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Dude, we all have problems and hate the world from time to time but we don't don't go around killing and destroying those who are weaker than us. Plainview is pure sociopath scum.

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