This movie seems to be really divisive. I just read these 2 counteracting viewpoints and I tend to agree with the defence side. I love this movie.
http://www.thatsnotcurrent.com/thursday-thunderdome-dark-knight-2008/
What are some of the main issues with it for you guys who dislike it?
Boring. Dull. Morose tone. Characters were bastardizations of who they are. Stupidity in the movie. Joker was annoying.
shareBoring. Dull. Morose tone. Characters were bastardizations of who they are. Stupidity in the movie. Joker was annoying.
Characters were bastardizations of who they are.
I strongly enjoy most of the movie, but do find the last act a mess. How the boat scenes transpire show people acting in a very movie way that, for me, fits the themes and narratives too tightly.
Some amazing action though, and amazing performances by Ledger and Oldman.
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Bad, self indulgent writing, with all the characters written the exact same way, all acting and reacting the same, all hyper-rational, all using the exact same syntax (Nolan's). Also, the pretentious attempt to pass eloquent exposition for substance, with all characters acting like narrators and constantly stating the obvious in a pseudo-philosophical, pseudo-psychological, pseudo-intellectual way in order to create the illusion of complexity and depth where there really is none, all at the expense of character and plot development. The self-important tone completely devoid of self-awareness, something necessary for the enjoyment of movies like this, otherwise by attempting to remove the cheese the ham goes up in spades and the whole thing that seems to take itself so seriously ends up being unintentionally funny. Also a very bland direction, completely devoid of visual style, just point and shoot with naturalistic lighting. The inconsistent tone, a realistic super-hero movie is an oxymoron by itself, characters like Batman and the Joker, no matter how watered down, feel out of place in the real world, and the rest of the cast taking them seriously despite the funny costumes and cartoony voices just adds to the ridicule. The plot falling apart during the final act, with Harvey Dent, one of the main characters up until then, being pushed to the background during the defining act of his story arc only for the Joker to overstay his welcome and pull a deus ex machina device out of his ass. Very average and uninspired action scenes, resulting in an action adventure that fails to be exciting. Delusions of grandeur, the obvious shame about its comic book super-hero origins and the attempt to pass itself for something it could never be. Finally, a protagonist that should be the coolest guy in the room but ends up making a fool of himself every time he opens his mouth.
shareThe self-important tone completely devoid of self-awareness, something necessary for the enjoyment of movies like this, otherwise by attempting to remove the cheese the ham goes up in spades and the whole thing that seems to take itself so seriously ends up being unintentionally funny.
I wouldn't go that far, a middle ground would be ideal and can be achieved, you can be serious but still self-aware, as opposed to self-important. And by self-aware I don't mean nudges and winks to the audience, I mean nudges and winks to itself, in the sense of accepting what it is and making the most of it, instead of trying to pass itself for something else. Being a more genuine experience, I guess, instead of a forced one, like TDK and TDKR felt.
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No it's not : I've never met one single person who doesn't love it and praise it to the heavens.
Get off of your parents couch, go upstairs and then out into the real world and actually meet some people who have lives which aren't the exact same as you.
shareA fan going back 50 years, but still not able to watch "TDK;" overhyped and Ledger appearance over-rated! Played well, but I just never cared for how DARK this thing was with a character totally devoid of conscience! He couldn't even keep his promise at the end to his victims concerning blowing up the ships! ;-/
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I don't mind the "dark" aspect of it; he's not supposed to be a guy cracking jokes like Spiderman, Tony Stark, Green Lantern, Flash. But, they took "dark" to mean, "morose."
Who wants to walk out of a main-stream comic book movie feeling down?
That's about it!
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I don't mind the "dark" aspect of it; he's not supposed to be a guy cracking jokes like Spiderman, Tony Stark, Green Lantern, Flash. But, they took "dark" to mean, "morose."
Yes he did he tried to blow them up when neither did it but batman knocked the detonator out of his hand
shareWhenever I put this movie on, my wife says NOT AGAIN!! Then as soon as the movie comes on with the bank scene, she's mesmerized...every time. I laugh at her now when she does it. I still pause the screen when Heath takes his mask off. I still feel the same way I felt in the movies when I saw it, like 'who is this guy and HE IS FREAKIN' AWESOME!!!'
'HIT ME!!' Never noticed that part, he had so many awesome scenes. This movie, with Heath's performance puts it up there in the movie heavens. I can't get into the other two because Heath is not in them. He was just that good...
R.I.P. Michael Jackson
R.I.P. Heath Ledger
Monotonous, choppy editing, shot and directed in such a standard textbook-like way, one dimensional characters, wooden action scenes, plot holes and overall not entertaining.
shareThis movie seems to be really divisive.
I don't dislike it, I think it's overall a good movie, but I dislike elements and think it's overrated.
My main problems are that it has way too much focus on the love triangle, which doesn't work and makes all three characters look worse, and the Joker has too little use of humor (even of a dark, demented kind) or mania. The movie also feels a little pretentious, especially when it deals with its themes in not very deep ways.
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