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This movie utterly SUCKS, and here is precisely why:


I hated this movie after finishing it, and I set out to do some research on its redeeming qualities in case there was something I had overlooked. I found nothing. The problem is the following:

Considering what the movie was trying to say, it is completely UNACCEPTABLE that "Haeley" did not die at the end. The movie needed it - well, ANYTHING - and the filmmakers did NOT have the balls to do it. Nothing happened to her, despite the fact that she was getting perverted joy out of torturing him. They tackled a controversial topic in an attempt to be cool and hip, and yet they ended up making a heap of crap of a flick that is sure to please each and every conservative and pedophile-hater. People who abuse children deserve zero sympathy, that's a given. But let's look at the facts right here:

This movie features a supposedly underage girl who chops off a pedophile's balls, while insulting and torturing him all the way. The pedophile hangs himself in the end, after having the girl lie to him once again. Nothing happens to the girl, and she learns nothing. NOTHING. Nothing about life, about people, about things perhaps not being as black and white as they first seem.Instead, a pedophile gets mutilated, just what everyone wants to see, and it's then milked for views.

What a *beep* of *beep* I rated this movie 1/10 in an attempt to bring its mediocre rating even lower. This was the biggest pile of pretentious crap I have seen in a long time. The filmmakers milked an interesting idea and offered the viewer zero substance. Completely unacceptable and pathetic.


I am open to opposing views, but HOW could you ever counter what I just said? There is no substance.

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Why would you want Hayley dead? She was the victim.

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Lol, she was a lot of things, some positive maybe, but she wasn't a victim by a long shot.

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Lol, she was a lot of things, some positive maybe, but she wasn't a victim by a long shot.


I agree, if you look at the definition of the word it states:

victim
ˈvɪktɪm/Submit
noun
a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action.
"victims of domestic violence"
synonyms: sufferer, injured party, casualty, injured person, wounded person; More
a person who is tricked or duped.
"the victim of a hoax"


If anything Jeff was the victim as he was killed as the result of a crime. After all, what Haley did was vigilantism pure and simple which last time I looked was illegal. She didn't directly kill him as such but she pretty much drove him to taking his own life.

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She may have been sociopathic but we all need a few more Dexters in the world. People like this deserve justice and rarely do they get it.

I loved it and I'd do it if I thought I could get away with it.

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Victim??? She drugs and kidnaps, and then tortures a man. He might possibly have been guilty of something, but she didn't know that. She was admittedly insane. So are the people who defend her.

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She didn't castrate him, she just showed him a video of a castration and numbed his lowers how do you think a recently castrated man could get up and chase someone around the house? She even explains in the exact words I use that she didn't castrate him. You saw her get beaten up pretty badly when he shows his true colour and she looks like she realised this isn't a game. I felt bad for the guy as no normal person enjoys seeing someone being tormented. I think you got something different from this movie than I did. Plus this is a teenage girl hunting down peados, that tells me she has been abused, seems like someone stuck in their own hell to me. I loved this movie... And I'm nothing that you suggested would be my demographic lol.

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Yep she DIDN'T castrate him. He sits up after he gets loose, feels downstairs and says "I'm all here." She just wanted him to go through the mental agony of thinking he was being castrated.

But the point of the movie IMO was for Jeff to learn that there was consequences for his actions. "Haley" was just the method used. However as much as I hate Jeff for being a pedophile and wanted him to get his, I also wanted Haley to get hers as well because she is annoying as hell.

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you should not project your anger management issues onto other people's work of art.

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The explanation is simple really.
Life isn't like most big budget Hollywood movies, karma doesn't really exist and not everybody gets what they deserve.

Deal with it.



By the way, Jagten would be a better movie for you. But if every movie had the exact same message, things would get really boring really fast

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The irony...

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Wow, lol. I've never seen someone swing and miss so hard. I'll never understand why people feel the need to decide what a movie is supposed to be or why everything has to have a point. First off i didn't think it was a very good movie. The dialogue wore me out, it was very generic. Haley not dying had nothing to do with the filmmakers not having balls. They don't make it clear whether she's good or bad. Right and wrong is perception and they leave it open. Her dying would have no point, we don't even know who she is. How can any joy or meaning come from a character with an unknown allegiance dying? Jeff was clearly a violent pedophile, his death carried a bit of weight with it. She didn't castrate him btw. She didn't learn any lessons, who cares? How would that have enhanced the movie? Once again, we don't even know who she is. Her learning lessons would also disrupt the ongoing mystery of her character. It would hint at her true intentions and personality which is a HUGE part of the movie. It is the movie really. You can't decide what you wanna see and then be mad when you don't get it. I don't know why you think this is an attempt to please people's pedophile hatred. If that was the case Haley would've been made the clear heroine. Milked for views? That makes no sense, again, she would've been made a much more likable character if that was what they were going for. Isn't that obvious? This movie is very abrasive, there is zero catering going on. The "substance" of the film is who to side with. Who's the good guy. That's the constant debate you have while watching. Once they start showing that Jeff most likely is a pedophile, they also start showing that Haley is a bit nuts. Keeping the constant theme of perception going. That's why it ended how it did. There is no answer. At different points you felt sympathy and hatred for both characters. To me its a good representation of how hard it is to decipher what side of an issue to be on and the fact there are no right answers. Is the death penalty ok? Should drugs be legal? Etc. There are no correct answers to these questions, just different viewpoints. It's all chaos and we do our best to make sense of it . Which is exactly what this movie is. A bunch of nuts information being thrown at you ultimately leaving you slightly aggravated with no definitive answers. This movie has no destination, it's a ride.

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@Braindays. By your own reasoning, the viewer can also side with the alleged abuser and ask themselves, "what if he is innocent?" or "of what exactly and too what extent is he guilty?" As you stated, both characters were demented. Torturing and mutilating is not sanctioned in the public realm, period. The alleged pedo is just that; Alleged. Hayley, before our eyes, clearly broke the law in reprehensible ways. To imply his guilt through suicide was morally weak on behalf of the writers. Dude just missed his package so much, he offed himself. I personally think it would have been an awesome ending to see her pay a dear price for being judge, jury and executioner. The message being that vigilantism is a very bad idea, especially when portrayed by a child character. I agree with OP, the script was emasculated having not fleshed out the obvious gender issues. At the very least, I felt the film was simply incomplete, and not in an intelligent, thought provoking way. Wanna torture someone? Go after the department of education for hurting children more than any other social malice. THAT movie has never really been made yet. Hmmmm, I doubt Hollywood would ever take on that theme as a revenge flick.

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@BrainDays...VERY WELL SAID!
Except that I NEVER had any sympathy for Jeff because of the opening of the movie...him chatting up a young girl online. Then, as the movie went on, it was so clear that he was a predator. I just don't understand why this isn't crystal clear to everyone.
You know a movie is good when it STILL has people "debating" it 10 years after it comes out.
I would like to know, OP...What is a pedo-hater, and where I can sign up. Isn't that a group that we should all belong to?

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@Nothing is Forever. Somehow you assumed OP is male. OP NEVER stated he wanted to see the alleged pedophile kill Hayley. He clearly meant that the films message is not resolved in any responsible manner. OP's comment is balanced, well informed and as neutral on gender issues as can be. I salute OP. Hayley broke many laws in pursuit of her idea of justice. There was no court, no evidence. Vigilante at large. Whether she should have died or not is debatable, but she should have faced some consequence before the credits rolled. That would have changed the film's character immensely for the better. Switch gender roles (oh yeah, women never hurt kids, sure) and HE would have been deemed a rogue vigilante for torturing an only alleged abuser and surely would have died in the end to portray balance. But that's just how Hollywood roles on gender politics. Whatever, it was entertaining in a mindless, lets (producers) be edgy kind of way...but I too raged that Hayley faced no consequence(s), implied or otherwise. Nothing more than fear-mongering, radical-feminist mysandry in the end. Films of this sub-genre degrade women and send a dangerous message to youth.

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Blah blah blah. Yes women pedophiles exist too, would you like to tell us how many of them torture and murder their victims WITHOUT there being a male co-conspirator involved?

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I agree with OP.

Fact that paedophiles exist and torture people does not mean that a correct way to do justice is to torture him for the sake of revenge.

That's just sick. What is more sick is that the paedophile is an adult and the girl is worse than this guy and it's just a young girl.

I can imagine this girl torturing and killing a lot more people after this one.

Doing major killings and getting out of it without the slightest regret or consecuence is an awful message sent to the audiences.

There was no need to take the balls out of this guy if you're going to force him to die, that was just twisted. This girl was a pshychopath, that's a given and all she did was unncesary. A simple shot in the head would be a lot more humanitarian.

I totally hated this movie, it's here just to tune with anger people or people who need to see violent suffering as a way to get revenge for people wrong doings.

That's about the worst of human condition.

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You could ask my aunt, who did all her abuse as a single woman. Women are perfectly capable of doing sick *beep* without the help of men, thanks.

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