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How many viewers know what a paedophile is? How many care?


A paedophile is a person who finds prepubescent boys or girls sexually attractive, but you wouldn't know it if you watched this film or listened to a news reporter or even the Prime Minister of Great Britain. The word is widely misused to mean child molester or just generally sex offender who targets under 18s and in a film that's centred around a person's torture and eventual suicide, it's pretty important that we're clear on what we mean when we say "he's a pedophile".

This is actually is very serious problem that few people, it seems, have given thought to. Because most people don't differentiate between a child molester and a person who simply has the attraction, many people are misdirecting their hatred towards anybody with the condition rather than those who have actually abused children. This is passionate hatred of any adult who finds a child attractive is obviously not rightly earned because nobody has any choice in what looks attractive to them - it was no more anybody here's decision not to find children attractive than it was another's decision to be a paedophile.

Something few people are aware of is the suffering of teenagers who are discovering their sexual orientation like everybody else and find they are attracted to children. Many young people in that situation struggle with immense guilt, shame, and conflict because of the seething hatred of paedophiles - hatred of the condition rather than hatred of the act of child abuse. The situation gets even worse when you take a look at what just about every person's advice would be to somebody who discovers that they find children attractive, "Get help!".

If you were a paedophile, how comfortable and safe would you feel telling another person about it? And that's just it - most will never open up and tell anybody about it and that includes doctors or therapists. There are people who have actually abused children who might not have done had they sought and received help - the environment we have created is *terrible* when it comes to preventing sexual abuse! We need to see the madness we've been perpetuating and treat it as we do every other psychological condition - we *help* people with the condition, we don't hate them and strike fear into them!

The reality is that most paedophiles do not sexually offend, not all are even in need of therapy as a person's sexuality (set of attractions) cannot be changed, all that can be treated is a person's urges to solicit sex and many paedophiles do not struggle with any such urges.

We are currently in the stage the Victorians were in when they feared, hated, and punished schizophrenics. Now we understand that it's senseless to hate a person for having an illness and we treat it humanely and intelligently. There is no such thing as a "defence of paedophilia" just as there is no "defence of schizophrenia" - it's an unchosen condition, it can't be morally judged.

If we insist on satisfying torture fantasies and relishing thoughts of violence and murder then at least we should be clear that we're directing these at people who have raped or murdered children (murdering a child is far more the act of a rapist than a child molester acting out of attraction - the Jeff character in real life would likely not be a paedophile at all, not that the creators seemed to care) - I find such vengeance to be barbaric and beneath us as human beings, I understand the emotions but to wish for it is a very ugly, dark and disturbing thing, I find.

The Jeff character was worthy of hatred but not because "he'd a pedophile" - because he was a rapist and a murderer. If we don't bother to differentiate between the two then more and more people will continue to suffer - innocent adults and innocent children.

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A post like this would be more useful on a sexuality-themed board, rather than a cinematic one. These are made-up characters, acting out a what is a borderline explotation theme, which makes both lead characters morally ambigious. That seems deliberate on the movie's part. For example, the 'castration' scene raises a legitimate issue - are we supposed to cheer or condemn Ellen Page's drastic action? It's a morally grey area.

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Lots of frustrated pedophiles on this board.

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Lots of trolls too. There are five different kinds of people that all get called "pedophiles":

1. child molesters--They are pedophiles, but also actively prey on children

2. non-practicing pedophiles--There probably are some pedophiles who resist the urge to molest children even though they are attracted them. The OP is not out of line in defending these people.

3. statutory rapists--They have sex with underage TEENAGERS (i.e. Roman Polanski). This isn't morally (or often legally) OK, but it's simply not AS BAD as child molestation since teenagers are often physically developed and already sexually active

4. non-practicing ephebophiles--These people have a perverse attraction to TEENAGERS, but not children; however, unlike the statutory rapists, they don't act on it.

5. normal men--NORMAL men are also attracted to physically mature teenage girls (since they often look like grown women), but they don't act on it, nor are they PERVERSELY attracted to teenage girls. It's kind of like how not every man that may find large breasts attractive is necessarily a perverted breast fetishist.

There is no point in conflating these groups. The #1 group is a serious problem obviously. The #2 group might become a problem, but there is no point in trying to "out" them if they're not actually hurting anybody. The #3 group can be a problem, but people also overreact (i.e. prosecuting 20 year olds for consensual sex with 16 year olds). The #4 and #5 groups are not worth worrying about at all and people need to stop calling them "pedophiles" because it's inaccurate to the point of stupidity.

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op and lazarillo here got it right.

Nobody uses the terms properly.... like EVER.


No victim no crime.

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Who cares about political correctness, they are only two words to me baby rapist and baby murder.

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This is my first reply in IMDB after years of reading different posts.

There are people here in this thread who are seemingly promoting a defense for pedophilia.

If you feel that a pedophile should be "understood" then you should be locked up. Period.

Now, I am speaking of ANY person who actively pursues seduction of a child. If someone sees they have this urge and seek help, well, ok. Good for them. If, for whatever reason, the urge leads to action, there is not a punishment severe enough, IMHO.

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I just watched this film having no idea of the subject matter... extremely shocking lol!

However on this subject, it's a tricky one this film raises. The guy in the film has actively seeked out a young girl and had those photos so he is someone acting on his thoughts and feelings.

Reading the posts in this thread is very interesting, some people defending pedophilia, others wanting them all locked up and the key thrown away.

As a homosexual male in my mid-20's who struggled massively in my teens with my sexuality, desperately wanting to be "normal" I know I haven't chosen this preference and wouldn't have had I had the choice.

So if sexual attraction to males is wired in my brain the same way an attraction to children can be, I do sort of see the struggle these people may have, and the obvious society hatred towards pedophiles.

However, feelings are feelings and thoughts are thoughts and these are different to actions. I think that saying all pedophiles are a risk to children and should be locked away is unfair. I have an attraction to males, this doesn't mean I'm going to rape a man because I fancy him, the same as hetero men aren't going to rape a woman because he's attracted to her. If a person has an attraction towards a minor but doesn't act on it and never will then they should be left alone.

Once a person (male or female) has acted on the attraction and either abused a child or downloaded pictures or whatever then yeah, throw the book at them. But to label everyone who has an attraction to children as a danger is no different to saying every man or woman is a danger to the opposite sex. IMO

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There are people here in this thread who are seemingly promoting a defense for pedophilia.

If you feel that a pedophile should be "understood" then you should be locked up. Period.


Now, I am speaking of ANY person who actively pursues seduction of a child. If someone sees they have this urge and seek help, well, ok. Good for them. If, for whatever reason, the urge leads to action, there is not a punishment severe enough, IMHO.


Well, you are not speaking about "ANY person who actively pursues the seduction of a child". You are speaking about pedophiles. Because, you learned from media that pedophile = child molester, and that's what you know. Not your fault. So you are talking about any person that it's suffering from this disorder, no matter if they acted on it or not. If you would understand the difference, you wouldn't use the term this way. You would know that a pedophile it's not always a child molester. Actually, most pedophiles are not child molesters.

Help can't be found by these people. They can't "seek help". If they step into an psychiatric office, the psychiatrist it's obliged to inform the authorities once they found out that they are talking to a pedophile. So yea, no help. They are pretty much living miserable, not knowing what's wrong with them, they are not able to speak with anyone. The law does not protect them, and, the public opinion it's not helping them either, as they are seen as child molesters even if they never touched a child in their lives.
So, the subject it's more sketchy than you think it is. But you can be a good christian and not give a damn. It's easier.

I really hope that ignorant people like you will have pedophile children. You will probably not know about it, until they either molest kids or kill themselves at young age, leaving you a note in witch they confess. As society teach them, they can't speak about it.

"In a non-clinical survey, 46% of pedophiles reported that they had seriously considered suicide for reasons related to their sexual interest, 32% planned to carry it out, and 13% had already attempted it."

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Your response needs no response.

Ignorance and stupidity such as you show here, as well as your obvious support of people who are afflicted with pedophilia, are scary.

But, sleep well. Your comment about christianity and you hope I have pedophile children show such an enormous amount of inability to comprehend as well as evil, that you should seek help.

Which you most certainly will not see, but your post shows that....

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Pedophile - under 11
Hebephile - 11-14
Ephebophile - 15-19

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Thats exactly the kind of words i would expect from a guy serving 55 to life for molesting a child. But hej, make your peace with your maker, you aint getting it from me. The second you say it's ok to be sexually thinking of children most "normal" people will react with: - Hej, thats not right"! Thats F'ing sick -

Wonder what i'll read next on these boards.. Something like - "It's actually ok to bee a serial killer. We are all just wired diffrently from birth. So please don't blame them... only a few ACTUALLY hack people to bits and drink there blood and eat body parts... most just think about it .. .. Cough* "

And that makes it normal right? ... Sigh!

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That is a false equivalency. A paedophile who isn't a child molester has committed no crime, and has hurt no one. A serial killer has by definition committed several crimes, namely murder, and likely a variety of others as well.

The point, since you don't seem willing to read the OP, is that we need to try to better understand the actual condition rather than just shouting monster every time we see a paedophile. Blind hatred without understanding of the condition forces these people further into the shadows and provides no hope for finding a real solution to a serious problem.

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