This movie was too far overdone with special effects CGI, a nearly Cartoonish Persian army, and a historically inaccurate portrayal of all things Spartan and Persian altogether.
First, Spartan warriors did not parade around like male models on Abercrombie and Fitch catelogs. They were extremely disciplined in battle. They fought in Hoplite style of combat known as the phalanx: a tightly knit formation that relied on the spear and their comrades next to them protecting them with their shield. Their strength was in the unity of their spears and shields thrusting in to the enemy with the first few rows, while the others in the back helped push forward, only stepping forward if a comrade in front of them had fallen in order to take his place. Their stregth was in their discipline and unity.
Second, I've seen people criticize Braveheart and movies of the sort for the graphics that are bit lacking for today's standards. I don't necessarily mind more graphics (i.e. Lord of the Rings was fantastic), as long as they promote the telling of the story, rather than seem to infiltrate the story so much that they make a historical event appear like a cartoon. Take for example the Immortals. In the movie the Immortals were the elite fighting force of the Persian Army, basically a Doppelganger of sorts to the Spartans. They were real men, but the movie portrays them much like monsters.
My opinion is this: if you want to create an epic tale based on true events, at least make a concerted effort to maintain some reality of the event. Don't turn it in to a comic book, like the movie was based on. I would much rather see Stephen Pressfields book based on this event, Gates of Fire, adapted in to a feature film. It's main character is fictional and his life story is somewhat made up to help create an intriguing plot, but just about everything else is historically sound and holds profound respect for the contributions the Spartans made to the history of Western Civilization. Overall, Gates of Fire just has more heart than does 300, which seems to nearly fictionalize the event.
History is off-limits, especially if you make half a billion dollars in profit and so while projecting Persians as monsters with a perfectly good conscience. If that is lost on you, Sablicious, you're beyond help.
You're still reading, "after all these years". You're still obsessing about this film, "after all these years". Is your life that much more interesting, you think?
How about you preoccupy yourself with addressing my arguments instead of making useless insinuations that helplessly backfire on yourself. I'd be much obliged, indeed.
Sure you do, and post-statistics are unimportant because ultimately nobody cared about what I did, "all these years" until you came along, which really begs the question.
But, I'll clarify why I'm dominating these neck of the woods, other than the fact that I'm rhetorically unmatched (But then again, I'm more Spartan than all of you lumped together, which is a true and indeed ironic story), save for the few lion-hearted Iranians who pretty much are in agreement with me. It's because I have a purpose, which extends beyond self-amusement and provoking the apologists into conceding their preferences are stupid. A sequel is being made, so interest in this film is rekindled once more.
The best part? I can regurgitate this non-stop, ad nauseam, because it works. It will work against any mass, because by now I have charted the full spectrum of the arguments used to justify the existence of this film.
Hah, you think you're ''dominating''? All you're doing is repeating your same racism bullcrap over and over again. I've disproven your petty arguments so many times I've lost count.
I'm the grim reaper, lardass, and you're my next customer.
And would you watch it after removed all those things above from it? Does anyone even care to watch the movie as you make out historically accurate and non-fiction?!! It'd be boring, not epical and no commercial benefit at all.
I think you're misunderstanding the film. This is not a straight up historical film, at least not one purporting to be an accurate historical portrayal/based on true events, etc.
Aesthetically, the graphic novel (and thus the film) was purposefully styled in the ancient Greek epic style, that is, the art style you would see on vases, mosaics, etc, depicting epic/mythological events. That's why the Spartan warriors wear next to no armour, that's why they break formation, that's why all of the action, and the entire look and feel of the film is stylised - it's a fantasy retelling.
In terms of narrative, there are two things to consider - first, that like the aesthetics, it is in the ancient Greek epic style. The details are dumbed down, the heroics magnified a thousand-fold, the stereotypes ramped up to the max. It is not meant to be a nitty-gritty, realistic, accurate recounting, it is not meant to be a character study. It is meant to be, pure and simple, an ancient Greek-style heroic epic.
Second, the entire story is told from the viewpoint of Dilios, and most importantly from his viewpoint as he is trying to inspire and bolster the Spartan army just before they engage in battle. Historically, the most common, easiest and most effective way to do this was through vilifying the enemy and playing up your sides own heroism, and that's why the story has taken on legendary elements. There's absolutely no way that a commander in Dilios' position, just prior to a huge battle, would recant the story to his men by giving equal measure to both sides, by being realistic and fair. He certainly wouldn't want to humanise the enemy, as that then makes it that much harder for his men to willingly kill them. Ironically, when you consider the film as a commander inspiring his men before a battle, it IS historically accurate, even if Dilios' story is not.
As a closing statement on the OP, I'd like to say that I, too, would like to see a more historically accurate recounting of the Battle of Thermopylae, simply because I believe it to be a momentous event worthy of film. Yet, whether that film ever gets made or not, it will in no way influence my opinion of this film, as they would be two entirely different creatures that cannot and should not be compared.
Now, for my absolute final comment in regards to all the rage in this thread and on these boards, particularly by Mr. Popular, Megatherion... really!? First off, this is a fantastical period piece. Nowhere does it represent modern day, existing cultures. Nowhere does it represent modern day Iranians. Nowhere does it even attempt to pretend to be an accurate portrayal of even the ancient cultures of the narrative. Again, it's fantastical. It's not meant to be a serious representation. It's not propaganda, it's not racist (or, not racist in terms of modern day peoples/cultures; see above section about the story being told by Dilios), and to try and claim it is is pure hyperbole. Allowing for a very tiny fraction of people that are utterly moronic, no sane person would watch this film and think "Oh hey, this is an accurate physical and cultural depiction of modern day Iranians". Christ, no sane person would watch this film and think "Oh hey, this an accurate physical and cultural depiction of ancient Persians". As for the "thousands of intellectuals" the world over that have supposedly decried this film as American racist propaganda designed to stir hatred and xenophobia against the middle east, presumably for the impending full out invasion and ethnic cleansing (at least, that seems to be what you're implying is the agenda?), well...someone needs to reappraise why they were given the label "intellectuals".
Thank you TheOriginalBane, your eloquent post pretty much sums up my feelings on the movie. I think many people would have preferred 300 to look more realistic like say Kingdom of Heaven, but 300 isn't a historical reenactment, it is a movie based on a comic (and by the way, it is thought Sparta had a lot more than 300, 300 was just a figure used as hyperbole to get the point across that they were vastly out numbered). I found 300 to be visually, aesthetically stunning. A masterpiece. I wouldn't change any of it. To me, film is an art and 300 certainly is a work of art. Die Hard 4 less so...
I found 300 to be visually, aesthetically stunning.
That is true yet there are other considerations going into this presentation of this ancient historical event. Movies are always a product of their time. This movie could not have been made say in 1920 for the simple reason that the technology wasn't there nor the intellectual underpinnings associated with 'cultural' time. 300 is a product of a purely modern sensibility and it fits perfectly in our time, a time of wars, xenophobia and religious strife. 300's timing is impeccable isn't it? It is a 'fantasy re-telling' yes and that is its formal content. Unfortunately, I don't think 300 can be forced into being looked as a 'fantasy' just because it is noted that way. Why? Because there is a 'reality' to contend with. '300' shows the disjunct between the realty and the fantasy and the audience perhaps being so naive (Thermopylae?) does not realize that others may not see their point of view when re-telling this battle at this time in world affairs. Those who beleive they have been put upon have a case in the expropriation of a history presentation. With 300, the film indeed shows that the road to hell is paved with good entertainment intentions.
"It fits perfectly in our time, a time of wars, xenophobia and religious strife." Despite what the modern media would have you believe, we are living in the most peaceful period in all of history. Death caused by violence has declined dramatically over the centuries. There are more chances of Americans dying in a bathtub (one in 950,000) than in a terror attack (one in 3.5 million). This film isn't just suitable for this time, it's suitable for any time.
As noted, movies are a product of their times. They usually reflect the concerns of a world or a society at a particular time. When 300 plays 50 years from now,. it will be intriguing as to the reception. Different times, different interpretations I think. Who knows? The US may be pals with Iran.
"My opinion is this: if you want to create an epic tale based on true events "
this movie is based on graphic novel 300 by frank miller, and if you bother to read it you will see way is movie filmed this way , i you want realistic portrait Battle of Thermopylae read book by Steven Pressfield "Gates of Fire"
The movie is based on Frank Millers graphic novel. Hence why everything is "like a cartoon" like you say. I think this movie was an accurate portrayal of the graphic novel and all the issues you have with the changes in history are due to this. Also in the first battle scene it is evident that Miller and in effect Snyder are aware of the Spartan's battle tactics as they use this to fight of the skirmish.This movie and novel is simply a fantastical take on the whole battle and obviously many of the things that happened aren't true.. I don't understand how people don't get that.A great movie IMO.
Except that battle tactic is anachronistic with early 5th century BC. Spartans in Persian wars still fought more or less individually, battles were fluid, open...Phalanxes as in dense shield to shield formations are unknown in Greece untill 4th century BC and Spartan soldier historian Xenophon. Unfortunately we drew much of the knowledge from Xenophon and did a bit too much backward projection. Prof. Peter Krentz agrues in his articles that phalanx and phalanx tactic belong to much later times than Persian wars.
So, even that is not accurate in the movie. And when geography is false, people and relations are false, culture and politics are false, events are false, why the heck would they use real life names and dates??? If not wanting historical accuracy??? For a cheap marketing...Well, then don't be surprised people are so angry with this idiocy.
Well the first thing respond you wrote . The KIng did tell that goat herder that exact thing you just wrote. WE are only strong because the man next to us protect us . So did you see the movie or not