Stuff they could've done
What are some stuff they could've done to get back to shore apart from following the boat during the beginning?
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OK for pity's sake, 1) Snorkeling is NOT scuba diving. Scuba requires using weights, true they could have been ditched, but diving takes a lot of energy, Snorkeling is nothing compared to diving.
2) yes they most likely would have been out of air by that point or surfacing with the safe air level of 500PSI so no they could not have used the tanks to propel them through the water.
3) Salt water crocs? Are you stupid? Think, ocean, salt water crocs in the ocean, they swim out in the sea. But no that did not kill the couple
4) The Great Barrier Reef is NOT right at the shoreline as you all are probably thinking. The reef is actually a 2-3 hour boat ride out, pending which reef you are diving on. It is NOT a short ride to the reef. And yes you do have many currents as come summer time you have the cyclone season and thus the weather is a lot more unpredictable here.
5) Yes they should have had whistles and safety sausage, but possibly they did not want to depict that to maybe replicate what happened to the original couple.
6) Yes even now charter companies, sadly enough in Australia, have made the same mistake of leaving divers. How it happened I do not know except for one couple. When I was working up in North Queensland for a sailing charter company one of the dive shops/companies was based out of the marina. Sure enough they did leave divers out in the water, and were found some hours later, but it still happens. Yes they also make you actually sign in and out. It depends on the company. Of the charters I have been diving on I had to sign in and out, which was fine by me. And yes the leaving divers have been recent. Another story happened of another couple just last year or so, however I found their story to be problematic and not believable of how they told it.
7) I've been a diver for 16 years on the rare occasion I have surfaced far from my dive boat, only happened maybe 1 time I can recall, and ugh it was a tiring swim just to get back to the boat. When you do surface far from your boat, if you have air left it is much easier to swim back to your boat under the surface you won't be battling surface conditions of swells, or whatever. if you do not have air, then you gotta swim, and it can be tiring as you have the weights especially, so imagine these two people trying to swim back to land, not gonna happen.
8) They had no water, no food, no sun protection, nada, you won't live very long, the currents would have pushed them anywhere and boats won't know where to begin aside from the last spot they dove, but after that is like a needle in a haystack.
9) Also frankly you are on holiday, you are overworked and you don't think when you get on holidays. You think you will be taken care no worries. You won't always think of the safety equipment. I have a whistle attached to my BC along with my knife, and I do carry a sausage in my BC, but pending how long you have been diving not everyone thinks of it. You are on holidays you expect the boat to take care of you, the crew to take care of you, they are being paid to do so. You don't so much expect to run into danger like this. It was a horrible mistake and sad it had to happen.
So for those who say something could have been done, no, not much could have been done.
Interesting points.
One useful thing that comes my mind is the chemical emergency torch, the one who emit a great deal of colorful smoke and bright light (most commonly seen on the football terraces in Europe I think, LOL). In the movie at least the torch would have made the couple instantly be seen by the passing freighter and probably by someone else too.
My knowledge is that those torches can't be put down by water, they are small and don't require any special licence so I don't see any reason why every diver shouldn't be carrying at least one.
Or is there something I don't know about them?
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an earlier message on this thread reminded me that they can't just start swimming and hope to make it to shore. Even IF they were closer to shore than they thought, it would make no difference, because especially with the tide and the waves, you'd only be swimming in circles. You could be swimming for days and end up where the boat dropped them off for all they knew. It would only give them cramps and make their last moments in life painful. That's why this movie was so terrifying because there's basically not a thing they could do except hope someone would find them. It's like if you fell off a tall building. WHile you're falling you know what your fate is but aint a damn thing you can do about it! Being lost in the ocean is worse though because you won't die suddenly when you splat. You slowly await your death
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Seems to me like if they had a can of Shark Repelent Bat-Spray, this whole mess could have been avoided.
And, then they would have had the entertainment of randomly exploding sharks.
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I've only been diving for 2 years, but I am a master diver and I rent a lot of my gear(regulator, BC, and tank-i'm a college student, can't afford to buy it). But I've never ever used a rental regulator that had a compass. The only gauges I've seen with rentals is a depth gauge and air supply. For classes, we had to buy our own compasses-I wear mine on my wrist. And the other places I've rented from did not have them either. I could be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure most regulators don't come with compasses and I can guarantee that not ALL of them have one.
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How do you follow a boat?
That would be like chasing a car on a freeway.
What they could have done was return to the boat 5 mins before everyone else. If you have a watch and you're in the middle of the ocean and have to get back to the boat at a certain time, get there at least 5 mins earlier. You never want to be left in the ocean. Also bring some GLOW STICKS with you. The boat operator are suppose to do a count when people get ON and OFF the boat. When they got back to the dock, they should have know 2 people were missing if they did another head count when people left the boat. If your smart, you would have your own tether line and hook yourself to the boat. Even if the boat drags you all the way back to the dock, at least you'll be alive. lol!! One other thing. Always tell other people where you're going. If anything happens to you and police or friends are looking for you, someone else will know. They could have told their front desk that they were going scuba diving. So yes, there were a few things they could have done before leaving.
shareThe most obvious thing they should have done was to stay put at the original diving place. Yes, it would require swimming against the current and constant checking if they were in the right place, but it was the first thing I thought when the guy said they were drifting. Swim back!
Their plane was to wait and be rescued by the boat that took them there. It is logical to stay in the same area you were left behind and not drift away. Not a good plane to let the currents take you away. Besides, they were in an area where sharks weren't frequent and by drifting away they ended up in an area filled with sharks. Why they didn't do that...? they probably thought the rescue would come sooner and didn't think too much about it.
Posts about eletronical gaggets are irrelevant and ridiculous since they didn't have any and they didn't foresee this happenning to them.
The OP's question was: what could they have done given their current situation: lost in the sea (not what they could have done TO PREVENT it from ever happenning).
There're lots of things that they could have done, before they came to the surface and found out that they were left alone in the middle of the ocean. But not really all that much, after the fact.
Their choices were either swim or drift. And I don't think that it'd make much difference in the long run.
Nikon, I disagree. I just gave an example of something they could have done afterwards: swimming back to their original location may have avoided the sharks.
shareI don't know about sharks, or that part of the ocean - so I don't see what going back to the original location would've done.
Was that location devoid of sharks? I honestly don't know. It'd seem to me that there'd be a shark threat wherever they were.
As far as not leaving the location so that rescuers would find you faster - that makes sense. But in the context of the movie, it appeared that they were too late in discovering their disappearance for it to matter.
NIkon, yes, they WERE in an area with no sharks, that's why they dived there. No shark threat.
As far as not leaving the location, YES it would have worked because it took only 1 day for the crew to find out they were missing. Without the sharks, they could have lived 3 days at least and probably would be found in time.
I'll have to watch it again. I don't see why there'd be no sharks in that area - forever. I got the impression that they dived in that area because they knew that there were no sharks there, then, but not necessarily that they were never there.
I mean, what would keep them away? Why would sharks not ever go to that area? I honestly know nothing about sharks - so if you do, please explain what kept them away from that area.
I think that sharks are everywhere - and it's just hit or miss whether they or rescuers find you first.
It's not reasonable to try to swim to an area of the ocean where there is no shark threat. They could not have covered more than a couple hundred yards at most by swimming. They could not really move against the current at all or even hold their position against the current. Also, without landmarks, a compass, and charts, there is no way to orient yourself in the ocean. So there is no way to know if you are in the same area as you were in an hour ago, or in which direction to move, if you wanted to go back.
A shark, on the other hand, can move a hundred yards in just a shake of its tail. So there is no possibility of avoiding sharks by swimming away from them, or by trying to stay within an area where there are no sharks, as sharks can and do inhabit almost any area of the ocean.
The reason that the dive crew said sharks are not a big threat, is that they aren't - when divers are together and not in distress, not bobbing helplessly in the ocean, but active and in control of their situation. Sharks will tend to avoid boats and divers and feed on their usual food. Of course a shark attack on a human is still theoretically possible, even when you are just body surfing at Coney Island, not to mention swimming out in the open ocean. But in these situations, shark attacks are very rare and that's whey they said the threat was minimal. As soon as the divers were alone and in distress, however, everything changes. It's NOT that they moved into "shark infested waters". It's all the same water. What changed is that they became vulnerable and the wildlife can sense that instantly. Swimming a short distance away would not have changed anything.
great post marfrie56. you seem to know sharks well.
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How would they swim back to their original location? They're in the middle of the ocean. How could they have known which way was which?
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Yes, it would require swimming against the current and constant checking if they were in the right place, but it was the first thing I thought when the guy said they were drifting. Swim back!
And you know that for sure, right?
Yes you can outswim the current, if you rest between swims and it's not a strong current (which was the case). And I know this by experience (not days, a couple of hours).
"Stuff they could've done"
They could've played Marco Polo.
Really though, they did all they could do in their situation.
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This is one of the most disturbing movies I've ever seen. I've never dived, but I'm a great swimmer. All I can say is, when I saw the birds and the buoy, I think I would have dropped all that equipment and just swam like hell to the buoy. They can't swim with all that crap on them. Drop that stuff and swim to the buoy. If there's birds you're not far from shore. That much I know for sure.
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I agree...very disturbing, especially since it's true. It was really that guy's fault...the one who forgot his mask...and being belligerent because of his HIS stupid error. Just stupid human errors across the board.
That is a good point, about swimming to the buoy...
Another movie similar to this is The Descent....but cave instead of ocean...
The first thing I thought was idk maybe both yell for the boat instead of waving your arms silently. Daniel kind of whistled once and that was it.
It would not have made any difference had they shouted to the boats they saw. In the ocean, it's possible to see things that are very far away because the view is so clear. This probably gave you the idea that the boat was closer than it really was. I think it was too far away for anyone to have heard them.
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