Alan's girlfriends - Two and a Half Men (2003) Discussion

[–] therealstar86 10 years ago

Kandi!

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[–] j_penner_07 10 years ago

I liked Melissa, but thought that she was a lot like "Bernadette" from Big Bang Theory.

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[–] ThomasMuf 10 years ago

Same as Charlie's girlfriends: ROSE!

She was a really sweet, if messed-up person. Plus, Melanie Lynskey made her all the more appealing.

I would have married Rose ANY given day. ;)

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[–] nika911 10 years ago

I forgot that she dated Alan too! Yes, she was great. I hated all Charlie's girlfriends except her - they were boring... and Rose is anything but boring

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[–] VirtualSide 10 years ago

I liked Melissa for the same reasons that have already been stated: she was the one who truly loved Alan and treated him well. I wish the writers wouldn't have had Alan mess it up so soon, but I guess they had to keep Alan as a miserable person because they and some of the viewers depended on that for this show to be funny. 

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[–] wqxyzcj 10 years ago

Probably Melissa.
But as weird as this sounds, I think he should have ended up with Myra.
She did share his (and Charlie's) disdain of Judith and seemed to understand how selfish her actions really were. Others seemed strangely sympathetic or indifferent towards her. And having a brother like Herb, she probably wouldn't mind most of Alan's quirks.

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[–] Petals121 9 years ago

No not Myra. She was a horrible person. Yes Judith wasn't a very nice person but Myra was so openly hostile and mean to Judith in Judith's own home that I totally got why Judith hated her. I hated her also.

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[–] wqxyzcj 9 years ago

Have you seen the way Judith had been treating Herb (Myra's brother)? And Alan? Not to mention that it was Alan's house too until she kicked him out and filed for divorce because she felt "suffocated".

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[–] Petals121 9 years ago

It doesn't matter if it used to be Alan's house too, or how Judith treated Alan or Herb. People don't have the right to treat people like crap in their own homes. That was what Myra was doing. She was openly hostile in Judith's own home.

That's one of the reasons I didn't like Sarah Bunting on Downton Abbey. She came into the main characters home and started criticizing them, their way of life and basically attacking them. Did she have a point? Sure. But she was in their home, their guest. You don't attack people that have invited you into their home.

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[–] wqxyzcj 9 years ago

To be fair, Myra didn't want to stay there. She wanted to stay in a motel but Herb didn't want her to because she was his sister. And only because it was Judith's house (maintained by ridiculously high alimony payments from Alan, by the way) it doesn't mean that she was just supposed to accept everything. Herb was her brother, after all, and Judith was pretty bad towards him.
Also, Judith was not so nice towards Charlie for example, even while encountering him in her own house.
Also, I don't think this argument has anything to do with the topic. The discussion is about what girl would be right for Alan or which one of his girlfriends you liked the best, not are they good persons by your standards. I doubt that Myra would behave the same way around Alan. She didn't criticize him or Charlie's house while she was saying there. And I doubt that her attitude towards Judith would bother Alan much.

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[–] eric_m_bi 9 years ago

It doesn't matter if it used to be Alan's house too, or how Judith treated Alan or Herb. People don't have the right to treat people like crap in their own homes. That was what Myra was doing. She was openly hostile in Judith's own home.

That's one of the reasons I didn't like Sarah Bunting on Downton Abbey. She came into the main characters home and started criticizing them, their way of life and basically attacking them. Did she have a point? Sure. But she was in their home, their guest. You don't attack people that have invited you into their home.

Normally, I would agree with you but in this case I have to side with Myra. I've seen how Judith behaves and it is just atrocious how she treats her husbands (both current and ex). Let's not forget that it wasn't just Judith's house, it was Herb's too, they're married. How would you feel if you went into your brother/sister's home and saw him/her be repeatedly abused and emasculated on an emotional level? Would you still be kind to the verbally abusive wife/husband? I say go Myra, it isn't too hard for me to believe that the reason she was being so mean to Judith was so she could stand up for her brother.

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[–] Petals121 9 years ago

But she wasn't standing up for her brother. She didn't go "hey don't treat my brother that way". No she talked about Judith having a big ass, that the bridesmaid dress was ugly (looking like a stool sample) etc. Nowhere was there any mention of Myra standing up for Herb.

Myra simply attacked Judith. And I totally understand why Judith got angry and basically threw her out.

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[–] eric_m_bi 9 years ago

When siblings defend each other, it doesn't have to be explicitly stated why; it's Herb's nature to be a pushover just as it would have been Myra's to be aggressive. Myra didn't like the way Judith treated Herb, therefore because Myra simply didn't like Judith it's hardly surprising that she started fighting with her; people tend to be nice to people they like and mean to people they don't like, it's a psychological fact and there's nothing wrong with that.

Also Judith had no right to throw Myra out, that was a decision BOTH she and Herb would have to make together since it's their house and not her house. I totally understand why she lost both Alan and Herb, the only surprise is that she threw Alan out and not the other way around.

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[–] Petals121 9 years ago

When siblings defend each other, it doesn't have to be explicitly stated why

Yes it has to be explicitly stated why. You can't just show up at someones house and start attacking them. If Myra had defended Herb in an argument then that would have been one thing. But Myra didn't do that. She attacked Judith without provocation and that wasn't right.

And of course Judith had the right to kick Myra out. And Herb was right in asking her to leave. She was really not behaving in a way that was ok when they are someones guest.

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[–] eric_m_bi 9 years ago

If someone one was screaming at you and being mean to the people you care about, would you act all nice and sweet to them?

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[–] Petals121 9 years ago

Judith wasn't screaming at Herb.

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[–] eric_m_bi 9 years ago

She was being mean nonetheless, you don't have to scream to be degrading.

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[–] Petals121 9 years ago

No she wasn't being mean. She didn't really say anything mean or degrade Herb at all. She was just there. And Myra kept attacking her.

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[–] Petals121 9 years ago

No she wasn't being mean. She didn't really say anything mean or degrade Herb at all. She was just there. And Myra kept attacking her.

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[–] wqxyzcj 9 years ago

Again, how do you know that she didn't? Myra had been there for hours. Have you seen the recent episodes prior to that one? It is a reasonable assumption. Why else would Myra be mean to Judith anyway?

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[–] Petals121 9 years ago

No it's not a reasonable assumption. You can't just make something up about the show to make it fit into your scenario. What we are shown is Myra attacking Judith constantly for no reason.

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[–] eric_m_bi 9 years ago

No it's not a reasonable assumption. You can't just make something up about the show to make it fit into your scenario. What we are shown is Myra attacking Judith constantly for no reason.

Since you're such a Judith expert, can you give us the name of one series regular whom Judith has never degraded at some point in the show whether it's to their face or behind their back?

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[–] Petals121 9 years ago

It doesn't matter if Judith is horrible. This was her house. Myra was her guest. You don't attack the people that are allowing you to stay in their home.

I think that Evelyn was a horrible person. But if someone that she allowed to stay in her house had attacked her like Myra did, I wouldn't have liked that. You don't attack people that are nice enough to allow you to stay in their house.

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[–] eric_m_bi 9 years ago

Again with the "her" house, it's Herb's house too. Also, what about Judith's behavior to Herb? Why aren't you arguing that a wife shouldn't talk like that to her husband? If she never did that, then Myra likely wouldn't have reacted the way she did; we see plenty of people Myra's nice to yet you fail to point out one person Judith has never been mean to.

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[–] Petals121 9 years ago

Look, you may not like Judith, you may think she treated Herb badly. I actually agree with that. But that does not give Myra the right to behave that way. She wasn't defending her brother in an argument. She was attacking Judith and it was unprovoked. I would have gotten it if Judith had been saying horrible things to her but she hadn't. So this was all on Myra.

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[–] eric_m_bi 9 years ago

So you seriously don't have sympathy at all for your fellow human beings? Judith demands that Alan pay child support and then pay additional money for Jake's clothes even though he already paid his pound of flesh. If I were in the show, I would be finding ways to make Judith's life as troubled as possible as well; I probably wouldn't scream in her face, but I would put blonde hair dye in her shampoo or something. Are you seriously saying that you would be fine with how abusive Judith is to the people around her?

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[–] Petals121 9 years ago

I think that Judith is a horrible human being BUT so is Charlie. It's not like Charlie was a nice person. Should someone have been making his life miserable and hating on him constantly? Of course not. Especially someone in his own home.

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[–] Petals121 9 years ago

I think that Judith is a horrible human being BUT so is Charlie. It's not like Charlie was a nice person. Should someone have been making his life miserable and hating on him constantly? Of course not. Especially someone in his own home.

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[–] eric_m_bi 9 years ago

Again, how do you know that she didn't? Myra had been there for hours. Have you seen the recent episodes prior to that one? It is a reasonable assumption. Why else would Myra be mean to Judith anyway?

Give it up, wqxyzcj, I think it's becoming obviously clear that Petals is a troll. Who else would stand up for Judith?

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[–] wqxyzcj 9 years ago

Let's get back on the topic then: what do you think about Alan/Myra?

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[–] eric_m_bi 9 years ago

Let's get back on the topic then: what do you think about Alan/Myra?

I never really saw anything between them, the spark was always between her and Charlie.

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[–] wqxyzcj 9 years ago

I think that Alan and Myra would be good together. Since she is Herb's sister, she wouldn't mind most of Alan's quirks. She also seemed easy going and not overly needy or jealous. They could team up together to annoy Judith!

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[–] Petals121 9 years ago

Judith may be horrible at times but that doesn't mean that should become someones punching bag. Especially by a person that is staying in her own house.

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[–] eric_m_bi 9 years ago

Judith may be horrible at times but that doesn't mean that should become someones punching bag. Especially by a person that is staying in her own house.

If not her then who? People like Judith only interact with those they have power over; my parents were similar, they only talked to those they felt they could be superior to then when even the slightest thing went wrong they would immediately throw out the threats to make sure everything went their way because their way is the right way; this is how people like Judith ensure they stay in power, by refusing interaction with anyone who could topple them.

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[–] wqxyzcj 9 years ago

How do you know that there wasn't a provocation prior to that scene? Hadn't Myra already been around for at least a few hours before Charlie and Alan showed up (at least that was implied)? Have you seen any of the other Judith/Herb scenes, including the ones about wedding preparations before Myra?

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[–] wqxyzcj 9 years ago

And so what if it wasn't stated clearly as to why Myra was mean towards Judith? Judith was being mean to Alan and Herb for no reason.

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[–] Petals121 9 years ago

It doesn't matter if Judith was mean to Alan and Herb. Coming into someones home and attacking a person that lives there is never ok. Myra was their guest. If she didn't like Judith, who gives a *beep* She wasn't marrying her, Herb was. Myra didn't have to like her. All she had to do was respect her brother by realizing that he loved Judith, and try to make peace and keep her thoughts to herself. Especially since she was staying at Judith's house. But no she had to say horrible things to Judith. And that is why I don't like her.

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[–] wqxyzcj 9 years ago

Again, she was staying because Herb had insisted her to.
And can we please get back on the topic? I have nothing against this discussion continuing and I may participate, but I think that we should make another thread.

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[–] eric_m_bi 9 years ago

All right, sorry about the side-tracking, I'll lay off the topic then.

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[–] Iantjambo 9 years ago

At the risk of taking this thread back on topic, I always hoped that Frankie would come back.

The pair seemed to have genuine feelings for each other.

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[–] daniel-lawlor 9 years ago

Melissa and Kandi.

"I'll make him an offer he can't refuse" - Don Vito Corleone - The Godfather

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[–] mattiasflgrtll6 9 years ago

By far Melissa. With the few episodes I've seen Jenny (I'm re-watching the series from the start and recently finished season 7) is all right. But Melissa is sweet, hilarious and drop dead gorgeous! Sucks that she exited the show.

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[–] RaimeyD 9 years ago

Melissa of course.

Alan could not have handled Myra.

One thing I would have loved to see was Charlie bagging Judith in a drunken stupor by each.

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[–] byrnesnotice 9 years ago

Why did Alan always complain that he can not attract women, yet throughout every season of the show he is always had at least one girlfriend even if it was only short term. Alan definitely punched above his weight when you factor in that he does not have his own house/apartment and he was always broke, yet he is still managed to date plenty of women. Alan is like the George Costanza of Two And A Half Men when it comes to punching above one's weight in the dating scene.

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[–] wqxyzcj 9 years ago

To be fair, I think that Myra would tolerate some of his quirks more, since Herb was her brother and she shared Charlie's and Alan's disdain of Judith. Though that isn't necessarily something positive.

Also, Alan wasn't as neurotic and selfish at the time Myra appeared on the show.

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[–] solidabs 9 years ago

For a ugly goofy mo fo. The show wrote in 30 hot chick's that Alan Harper banged or got a hand job from.

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