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Chas was an angel the entire time.

posted 6 years ago by h-oates (172)
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Seen this theory floated around before, but now I think it has to be true. I'm not sure about the comic book mythos, or the TV series. I can only go by what the movie tells us, and that's basically that when humans die, they go either to Heaven or Hell. They don't become angels, and it would be impossible to become a half-breed (as that is just an angel or a demon that is part human). So Chas was a full fledged angel at the end, but that must mean he was one the whole time.

The only problem is, it doesn't make sense either way you look at it. Some people think him acting rather childish and impressionable was just for Constantine's benefit. But then how come he was acting the same way when no one else was around (like in the taxi, and when he taunts the bouncer at Midnite's club)? Maybe he was supposed to be a rookie angel or something.

Ultimately, though, I think it does give the film more weight if we look at it this way, as it means that God was directly watching over John the entire time.

[–] Ace_Spade (9552) 5 years ago

I always assumed that end credits scene was Chaz acquiring the half-breed "angel" status in the afterlife. Like he got a new job, maybe he asked to help out his ol' buddy Constantine and was made an angel.

After all, without being able to penetrate into the mortal world, how could "half breeds" exist to begin with?

[–] Costumer (1822) 5 years ago

That was always one of the weaknesses of the movie cosmology.

[–] Ace_Spade (9552) 5 years ago

Yeah, it's not really a "fully-realized world" kinda film, is it?

[–] Costumer (1822) 5 years ago

Agreed. They really didn't think through the rules they set up.

[–] Ace_Spade (9552) 5 years ago

That's why it peaked at "fun action entertainment" and didn't achieve its full potential. The film's a fun romp, but that's it.

[–] Costumer (1822) 5 years ago

You are quite correct. It was fun, but that's all.

[–] BillySlater (4241) 2 years ago

Stuckmann alluded to that in his review today, I think the movie is better for it instead of having everything spoon-fed to the viewer. The world maintains some level of intrigue because we don´t know every single detail about it.

[–] Ace_Spade (9552) 2 years ago

A work of fiction can be set in a fully-realized world without revealing every detail. Lord of the Rings, for instance. For all the flack Tolkien takes from naysayers who think his prose is too detailed, the fact of the matter is that he had volumes of material on history and language for his world. His detail informs the work and is one of the reasons it endures.

I can't say for sure, but I get the impression that the world of Constantine was thought through enough to make a fun movie, but that they didn't write up histories and how certain things work within the world.

It's not about spoon-feeding or not, it's about how full the bowl is.

[–] BillySlater (4241) 3 years ago

He means from a Biblical perspective, Chaz becoming an angel doesn´t make sense but there are a lot of things this movie gets Biblically wrong. Like, Tilda Swinton´s character says "self-sacrifice" is how you get to heaven and later we see Keanu ascending to heaven because he sacrificed himself. This is a false teaching. We cannot earn our salvation because of our sins. Christ is the ultimate sacrifice, because he was sinless and his was enough to atone for our sins. Only belief in him can save you.

[–] Ace_Spade (9552) 2 years ago

Yeah, this movie has an EXTREMELY tenuous relationship with the Bible.

[–] Annkat (342) a year ago

This is a fantasy film.

Angels are a different being. They can not intermix with us. The character of Chas can be Angel influenced but will never be an angel. It is said that God will raise up human Saints to take up the positions that the Fallen Angels rejected.

[–] SemiAnimus (2441) a year ago

You know who else was an angel the entire time?

Criss...Angel.

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