What a crap ending! *SPOILERS* (obviously) - Ginger Snaps: Unleashed (2004) Discussion

[–] FishHeadSweety 13 years ago

i saw the 1st one on IFC today and was glad there's a sequel. i didn't like the way the first one ended and sounds like i won't like the way the second one ends, but it seems to fit my theory that the moral of the story is 'don't be a hanger on who just does whatever the person you hang around does. do your own thing too, or you just turn into their pet sidekck.' i'm looking forward to watching it and am glad i'm prepared for the end. because i like a good American ending where the bad guy gets hacked up and the heroine gets cured.

Ask a fish head anything you want to, they won't answer. They can't talk.

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[–] WakenPayne 12 years ago

One thing I hated about the ending was the fact that it ends on an open plotline. I found it in me to like this movie though. But The ending was complete *beep* because it offered no sense of closure within the plot.

The third one should have been Brigette escaping and killing ghost and maybe try and do something permenant about being a werewolf. Instead of the mediocre prequel we got.

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[–] Kenzi_the_Succubus 12 years ago

You call the prequel worse than this? I have tried repeatedly to watch the sequel without wanting to tear my TV apart but its impossible. The prequel had the decency to be watchable, at least. Both continuations from GS are *beep* but my partner likes them so I watch them when I feel like it. The prequel? When there is nothing else to do. The sequel? When I want to get drunk, thats the only way I can watch it without feeling pain. Yes, GS2 is probably one of my votes for worst film of all time(with the worst being The Omen 4). Pointless masturbation scenes, dialogue that wears thin after the first 5 minutes and EVERY SINGLE ACTOR *beep* up! I felt so sorry for Emily Perkins.

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[–] freeist 12 years ago

I thought Emily Perkins carried the first half of the movie single-handed. I mean, there were so many pauses, so many times Brigitte wouldn't answer somebody.

The movie to me had a mind-blowing concept. A girl found unconscious on the streets is mistaken for a disturbed teen and is committed, when she's actually a werewolf and a danger to the whole hospital. I mean that is an amazing start to a story. And the fact that it's Brigitte and you know what she's been through means it held as much promise the original GS.

And the waste! I mean, they had this really creepy, atmospheric old building to shoot in. And in the script, they made it a TB sanatorium: tell me, could that have been haunted? But at the midpoint, they left!

And you tell how unhappy I was with their execution, by the fact that I took the concept and wrote completely different story.

A lot has been said about the end. It was a betrayal. And to have it happen, they had make Brigitte as dumb as possible. Why did she ever trust Ghost? A character who started out by taunting Brigitte.

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[–] Kenzi_the_Succubus 12 years ago

The movie to me had a mind-blowing concept.

That is what I hate so much about it, given a descent writer this probably would have been a great movie. Your fanfic proves that this could have been better. With films like Rocky Horror; its awful, yes, but given the concept its probably the best someone can do with it.

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[–] WakenPayne 12 years ago

You call the prequel worse than this?

I do - but that's my opinion.

Both continuations from GS are *beep*

In comparison with the original - hard to argue.

GS2 is probably one of my votes for worst film of all time(with the worst being The Omen 4).

I haven't seen The Omen 4, However I have seen movies far worse than Ginger Snaps Unleashed. Santa Claus Conquers The Martians and Glen or Glenda for example. THAT was pure torture.

Pointless masturbation scenes

I actually wrote on another board "Why didn't they cut this out?" because if that happened I would have liked the movie probably enough to give it 7/10.

dialogue that wears thin after the first 5 minutes

The dialogue was okay...-ish nothing too special or memorable, but as far as dialogue goes - again this is not the worst - The Room for example has lines that come across as hilarious rather than dramatic (eg, "YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISAA!!!)

I felt so sorry for Emily Perkins.

It's not the first time a talented actor has been in something Horrendous (eg, John Cleese in Charlies Angel's 2). It happens - some talented actor gets to be in some awful material and hopefully s/he learns to be in something that isn't cringe-worthy for themselves.

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[–] Kenzi_the_Succubus 12 years ago

Why should I even bother? GS1 is 10/10, GS2 is 1/10, GS3 is 3/10.

I do - but that's my opinion.

Then let me have mine.

I haven't seen The Omen 4, However I have seen movies far worse than Ginger Snaps Unleashed. Santa Claus Conquers The Martians and Glen or Glenda for example. THAT was pure torture.

You might need to see The Omen 4, Glen Or Glenda is awful - I'll admit to that - but Glen Or Glenda was as good as it would ever be(how can you take that storyline and make it something good?). The Omen 4 could have been fantastic. At one point the girl starts menstruating. Dealing with that at age 8 is not easy, nor is being the daughter of satan. In this film she was, when I saw that I wanted to keep watching because to go through puberty AND be the offspring of satan, THAT would be interesting but what we got was BORING!

It's not the first time a talented actor has been in something Horrendous (eg, John Cleese in Charlies Angel's 2). It happens - some talented actor gets to be in some awful material and hopefully s/he learns to be in something that isn't cringe-worthy for themselves.

Be fair, John Cleese was the only redeeming part of Charlies Angels 2. Thats the reason why they take on the roles - to save people from mass suicide(If you had to deal with the *beep* from that film without a descent actor, wouldn't you kill yourself?).

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[–] WakenPayne 12 years ago

Be fair, John Cleese was the only redeeming part of Charlies Angels 2. Thats the reason why they take on the roles - to save people from mass suicide(If you had to deal with the *beep* from that film without a descent actor, wouldn't you kill yourself?).

Point Taken.

Glen Or Glenda is awful - I'll admit to that - but Glen Or Glenda was as good as it would ever be(how can you take that storyline and make it something good?).

As far as movies with a plotline like that would go - I'd rather see it being made as a comedy rather than what Wood made it. Most of the movie is stock footage that has nothing to do with the plot.

The Omen 4 could have been fantastic. At one point the girl starts menstruating. Dealing with that at age 8 is not easy, nor is being the daughter of satan. In this film she was, when I saw that I wanted to keep watching because to go through puberty AND be the offspring of satan, THAT would be interesting but what we got was BORING!

I admit written on paper that could have been interesting - my brother has seen The Omen 4 (or at least some of it) and hated it, mainly because Deliah wasn't really doing anything to really be considered "offspring of Satan" in comparison to Damien Thorne. I might watch it - After I watch the rest first - because if it is as bad as both you and my brother are saying it is then it might turn me off watching the other three.

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[–] freeist 12 years ago

If you fall in love with the character of Brigitte, and you can, the ending of Unleashed alone would warrant a 1 no matter what the rest of the movie was like.

Brigitte proved herself in GS1 to be one of the bravest, most devoted character in film. She goes down into the basement to confront a rampaging werewolf who just mauled her friend, and the only weapon she carries is a syringe.

It's hard for some people to see that and then have to stomach the end of Unleashed.

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[–] WakenPayne 12 years ago

The Ending was *beep* there is no doubt about that. But as far as sequels go Ginger Snaps Unleashed is not the worst ever made. Hell it's not the worst of the series. Stuff like Charlies Angels 2 and Highlander 2 are TERRIBLE - they make this movie look like Kurosawa combined with Bergman and Tarkovsky - they're THAT bad.

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[–] Kenzi_the_Succubus 12 years ago

Whilst Highlander 2 is awful, it was doomed from the start so what were you expecting? GS2 could have been brilliant but instead what we get is "once your hand is in position above your cliterous, we'll begin with a gentle, counter-clockwise rotation." The first DVD I ever owned of this film, I tore to pieces. GS1 deserves better than the crap that followed. GS3 is at least watchable. It had the balls to try something new with the sisters and I do like a few things about that film - the twist ending for one, the fact that it had the decency to be the shortest of the trilogy, I also have a soft spot for the werewolf attacks (I'm like a one-woman Soska) and thats it.

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[–] WakenPayne 12 years ago

Whilst Highlander 2 is awful, it was doomed from the start so what were you expecting?

There are some movies people may consider "Doomed from the start" that I actually enjoyed - The Crow 2, 3 & 4 for example. They managed to be very entertaining little revenge films. People may say what they want but I personally loved watching all The Crow movies.

GS2 could have been brilliant but instead what we get is "once your hand is in position above your cliterous, we'll begin with a gentle, counter-clockwise rotation."

As I said earlier - I have no idea why that awful scene was kept in the final production - cut it out and what have you missed? Nothing. So I agree with you in that the masturbation scene was terrible.

I do actually find that the movie, although I liked it is barely passable as a sequel (but for you - calling it another awful sequel is an understatement) The ending - as I said many times is *beep* For a fact the only GS movie I'll even consider watching a second time is the first one. The concept of this one could have been so much more than it was in execution (yes, I'm agreeing with freeist - however I don't think the concept is as good as he says it is). So we all agree that it could have been so much more than what it was, However one thing in my experience is that most horror sequels are terrible anyway.

GS3 is at least watchable. It had the balls to try something new with the sisters

One thing I am puzzled about with the movie is that it starts by saying that there are 2 sisters who will somehow change the fate of the world but all I see them doing is deciding whether the people on the fort live or die - that's it, not the entire world as the titles at the beginning said so.

As far as acting went the only decent performances were the ones from the previous movies. Everybody else was awful.

One thing I wouldn't have minded for GS3 was to get their way out of that hellish ending.

the fact that it had the decency to be the shortest of the trilogy,

Again - point taken.

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[–] Kenzi_the_Succubus 12 years ago

There are some movies people may consider "Doomed from the start" that I actually enjoyed - The Crow 2, 3 & 4 for example.

The only one that was good past the first was the second and that was okay, how in GODS NAME can you take the fourth one seriously?

However one thing in my experience is that most horror sequels are terrible anyway.

You managed to like Carrie 2, Texas Chainsaw 2, Alien 4 & An American Werewolf In Paris. You are not in a position to criticise ANY horror movie sequel.

One thing I am puzzled about with the movie is that it starts by saying that there are 2 sisters who will somehow change the fate of the world but all I see them doing is deciding whether the people on the fort live or die

I never said that the prequel was a good movie. I only said that it is the better continuation of the Ginger Snaps films when both continuations are almost(in the case of the 3rd, at least I can watch that film) complete *beep*

One thing I wouldn't have minded for GS3 was to get their way out of that hellish ending.

Isn't that what your brothers' fanfic "Big Bad Wolf" is? Whilst its not at a professional level of writing yet, its the only story I can see continuing from GS2. Mind you I would have prefered it if they remade the second one; Ginger Snaps: An Apology.

EDIT: I'm sorry if anything I said came off as insulting, I don't want another "ass kisser fight" like thing on this board.

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[–] freeist 12 years ago

"I'm sorry if anything I said came off as insulting, I don't want another "ass kisser fight" like thing on this board."

You won't. I know you better now.

Fact is, they might have had a much better sequel if they had made it about the origins of Brigitte's werewolf stalker. That demanded more of a back story, or even a story of its own. I mean, that was really everyone's nightmare of the jealous stalker. But they blundered by the real story without noticing. That could have been done right on a simple, low budget.

But no, they handed us Unleashed instead.

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[–] WakenPayne 12 years ago

You managed to like Carrie 2, Texas Chainsaw 2, Alien 4 & An American Werewolf In Paris. You are not in a position to criticise ANY horror movie sequel.

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 I thought was decent at best, I wrote the American Werewolf In Paris review when I was a stupid kid. My opinion of the movie has changed from what you read into "aside from a few jokes - what does the movie have going for it?".

As for Alien 4 and Carrie 2. I don't really think they're as bad as people say. I'm sure you might have one or 2 movies that people consider to be bad that you think is actually okay.

The only one that was good past the first was the second and that was okay, how in GODS NAME can you take the fourth one seriously?

I don't know, I actually picked up the fourth one expecting something every bit as bad as people are saying and actually got a great movie in comparison to what I was expecting. Then I watched the other three and enjoyed them on their own merits as well. Tell me that you never looked at a movie considered to be terrible and walked out of it with "I actually enjoyed that".

Isn't that what your brothers' fanfic "Big Bad Wolf" is? Whilst its not at a professional level of writing yet, its the only story I can see continuing from GS2. Mind you I would have prefered it if they remade the second one; Ginger Snaps: An Apology.

Isn't that basically freeist's fanfic? a better version of the second one? I haven't read it myself but I have been told it's almost as good as the original by my brother.

EDIT: I'm sorry if anything I said came off as insulting, I don't want another "ass kisser fight" like thing on this board.

On the contrary - nothing you said was insulting. I said on my YouTube account I am a very hard person to offend (Thanks High School).

I never said that the prequel was a good movie. I only said that it is the better continuation of the Ginger Snaps films when both continuations are almost(in the case of the 3rd, at least I can watch that film) complete *beep*

Okay, how about we agree to disagree? That's the only way I can see the consistent replies to eachother ending.

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[–] WakenPayne 12 years ago

I know this debate is long since finished. But there is something I want to show you.

You might need to see The Omen 4,

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102585/reviews-78

Just thought I'd mention it. I will say I can see why you'd call this movie the worst movie ever made. However in my opinion - I've seen worse.

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[–] Kenzi_the_Succubus 12 years ago

Don't judge the previous films based on that piece of *beep* The other 3 are like the first two Halloween films, even if they get bad they'll still be watchable, the 4th is like the third Halloween - a piece of *beep* on all levels.

I also noticed you criticised that the film ignored one of the basic rules of film; Show, don't tell. I can take two introductions of a film (Ginger Snaps 3) but it became really stupid with The Omen 4 saying all of this instead of showing us. Whilst Ginger Snaps: Unleashed is awful at least it managed to stick to the basic rules of film, it just needed a team behind it that didn't want to destroy the franchise.

Watch the other 3 Omen films (I see you haven't yet). Everything the 4th film did wrong the first 3 did right (even if in the third one Damien has a big room that he uses only to yell at Jesus, at least it will be better than the crap you just watched).

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[–] WakenPayne 12 years ago

(even if in the third one Damien has a big room that he uses only to yell at Jesus, at least it will be better than the crap you just watched).

I'm not denying that it'll be better than the 4th one. But I couldn't stop laughing at that quote.

After that however I think that I need to watch a good movie, completely Omen unrelated (maybe the Spanish film The Sea Inside - of which I've only seen the first hour).

However, I'm curious - I saw your vote for worst movie of all time (of which I thought it was awful - but at least I could laugh at it) so if that's your opinion for "worst movie of all time" what's your opinion of the best? or have I already seen it?

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[–] Kenzi_the_Succubus 12 years ago

so if that's your opinion for "worst movie of all time" what's your opinion of the best?

TWILIGHT!!!

just kidding

Its Carrie.

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[–] WakenPayne 12 years ago

I love Carrie.

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[–] Kenzi_the_Succubus 12 years ago

I noticed that. I also noticed that you've seen all entries in my top 5 films of all time.

1. Carrie
2. Black Christmas
3. The Boys Club
4. Ginger Snaps
5. Halloween

So in terms of wondering what my taste in movies is like, you've got a pretty good idea from that.

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[–] WakenPayne 12 years ago

That's an interesting list.

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[–] freeist 12 years ago

Really? Carrie? The 1976 version? I loved that movie. Now I've seen Ginger Snaps more but I saw that movie more than any other one. Really took a lot of harassment for it, too.

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[–] Kenzi_the_Succubus 12 years ago

Yes, this is the 1976 version starring Sissy Spacek. Isn't it amazing that I love both Ginger Snaps and the original Carrie when they are both using menstruation as a metaphor for either turning into a monster or becoming a crazed telepath?

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[–] freeist 12 years ago

It's even crazier I would, something I'm aware of but have never been asked to explain.

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[–] WakenPayne 12 years ago

Watch the other 3 Omen films (I see you haven't yet).

If you're curious as to what I think of the original Omen trilogy then I have copied links to my reviews for them below.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075005/reviews-309
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077394/reviews-136
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082377/reviews-95

You have your opinions I have mine.

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[–] freeist 12 years ago

Yes, it annoyed me. They had a story concept that was every bit as good as the original GS, and had no idea where to take it.

(Added 12/10/12) I take that back. I think they didn't want to be bothered for making anymore sequels, so they sank the series with this movie. I'd call that short-sighted.

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[–] freeist 12 years ago

Not stupid. They were competent enough in all other departments, and I think they had enough pride to not make an absolutely poor movie. I mean, they had to keep themselves employable in the business. I think they wanted it to still make some money, while at the same time, sinking the series. You might want to see my original thread on this topic.

I think the original about broke even, or maybe made a small profit, not enough to get any investor's attention. It didn't have a chance to hit it big at the box office because it never got theatrical distribution in the US. That's due to nothing except monopolistic practices by Hollywood.

What happened to Brigitte is not what you call tragedy. Tragedy is a very specific thing in a story. What happened to Ginger in the first one, that was classic tragedy. What happened to Brigitte in Unleashed was she got screwed. Dramatically speaking, that's not called anything else. Even in horror. And morbidly depressing to me is the end of John Carpenter's The Thing. This ending reverses everything the first one had going.

I would have considered an ending where Brigitte transformed permanently to be sufficient for a horror unhappy ending. Transformed, after say, defeating the werewolf that had been following her.

It's not lack of a happy ending I'm complaining about. It's the lack of any satisfying dramatic twist. I mean, to me, Ghost never belonged in the story. They had to make this into an idiot plot to shoehorn her in there. They had to turn Brigitte into an idiot for trusting her (something that pi*sses me off). To replace the entire Fitzgerald sister dynamic with Ghost and still call it Ginger Snaps, after making Brigitte into a fool is, to me, an embarrassment. Tell me, why was Ghost even alive after Brigitte found out she lied? So late in the transformation and Brigitte still had that self-restraint. That's wrong for a werewolf movie. Unlike Ginger dying, Ghost trapping Brigitte doesn't say anything.

And the very fact they wanted to change the subject to Ghost, and that they hired a first-time screenwriter to do it, says something.

When you say it's a horror trilogy and not something else, remember the trilogy wasn't anything until they made it. After the first movie, they weren't held by genre expectations. After they made GS they had the freedom to go in whatever direction they wanted.

If fans liked it, it's because fans of any great movie will take anything that continues the dream. However, the sprequels are not going to bring fans in for this series (there's always a few). Only the original will do that.

If the original GS had an error, it was not leaving it more open to a sequel. I'm sorry, no matter what you're making and how "serious" it is artistically, you should always leave it open for a sequel these days.

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[–] freeist 12 years ago

They seem to have dumbed down the definition of "tragedy" since I've been in English Lit. What does it say a "tragic flaw" is? Because for it to be a tragedy, the character in question has to have a tragic flaw. That is, some moral failing. Ginger's was her concept of devotion, which was contrasted with Brigitte's. GS was one of the few horror movies that did classic tragedy right.

Ghost started out as taunting Brigitte. They say first impressions are lasting ones, and I'm sure werewolves aren't paranoid and don't hold grudges. (sarcasm) Then we get back the other problem: if Mahatma Gandhi were bitten by a werewolf, he couldn't be more peacefully lame than Brigitte. If she didn't do a Mr. Wayne on Ghost for getting nosy, how did Alice and Tyler escape slicing and dicing? Really, if she could restrain herself that much, was werewolfism even a problem?

But even if I ignore all that (and I can in a good mood), from first impressions, Ghost didn't do anything that would make Brigitte trust her. What in her crazy rhyming schemes, obsession with comics, sneakiness, and the fact that she brought Brigitte a severed head would make Brigitte think this girl was trustworthy? Moreover, after we saw Ginger's mistrust blossom with her lycanthropy, why would Brigitte be so trusting?

Sorry, I respected Brigitte too much in the first one to go along with this. Even if she needed Ghost to get out, once she got out, it was time to ditch Ghost. Yes, I would have respected Brigitte more if she used Ghost and abandoned her. Brigitte had too many problems by herself.

You see, I had no problems like this with the original GS. Even when other people point out a flaw, I can explain it. The only one I can't explain is the dog on the hockey field.

Hey, All of my endings to The Feral Bond were better than this one. The problem is, the extra antagonist layer got too complicated. Thank you for reading it. I'll try to make the ending better in the final draft I'm writing.

Added on Edit: you know what the irony is? I was drawn into seeing the original GS after I saw a part of Unleashed. I was so intrigued by Emily Perkins performance, and by Brigitte's situation: a werewolf trapped with people she's going to kill. So, Unleashed is not without merit.

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[–] freeist 12 years ago

“She was a lot more fragile and weaker than Ginger was.”

Really? Is that the way you see Brigitte? I thought just the opposite. Maybe that's why my losing respect for her is important. I had a lot more respect to lose. Brigitte is heroic to me, much of the reason why I loved GS was her devotion and courage, and in Unleashed, it was her secret, lonely struggle.

I thought the main plot twist/character arc in GS was that Brigitte proved herself the strongest of the two. She argued with Sam to stay and rescue Ginger. Later, armed with nothing but a syringe, she went down in that basement to confront a rampaging werewolf that had already torn up her friend. (Yes, she fainted, but that was her body giving out, not Brigitte.) She continues to offer the werewolf the cure to the very end, comes out fighting when cornered, and stabs her sister only at last resort. Fast-forward to the next movie, and the opening credits in Unleashed show how horrible taking monkshood daily is, and she's been doing it for two years. This is not a weak or fragile character.

Also, Brigitte had a far more mature concept of devotion compared to Ginger, but she wavers at the worst time, and it costs her Ginger. (Brigitte was, in a way, a tragic character, too). However, she failed, but due to moral outrage, not lack of courage. I'm talking about the scene with the janitor. It counts toward her bravery that she puts her life on the line by scorning Ginger.

I'll give you that she was also lonely and traumatized, and that could make her vulnerable. However, it was Ghost who made the overtures to Brigitte, not the other way around. Ghost made them only after she suspected Brigitte was supernatural. That should have set off Brigitte's warning bells right there.

Moreover, I can't think of anybody more unlike Brigitte's sister than Ghost. Therefore, I'm sorry, any way I look at this, Brigitte staying with Ghost doesn't make sense, except that the writers needed her to do it. They made Brigitte look pretty dumb.

I didn't see any hints dropped at the beginning of GS that Ginger was especially paranoid. The first paranoid thing she does is swear Brigitte to secrecy about the attack, and as a werewolf she'd have an unconscious reason to be vigilant against discovery, since getting caught could mean her life. Brigitte can't seem to simply show the staff the changes in her ears and hand, though it would go a long way toward them listening to her. I'd call that paranoid.

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[–] freeist 12 years ago

"Ginger was a lot more aggressive, and I think the reason why Brigitte didn't have many friends is because Ginger wouldn't let her. "You know that janitor was looking right down your shirt" - he wasn't and he couldn't have. If Ginger wasn't paranoid at all why would she even say this? She was always mistrusting and highly cynical, whereas Brigitte wasn't or at least didn't want to be."

No, I must disagree on your main point. Ginger wasn't aggressive before, except with Brigitte, but her place with Brigitte was secure. All Ginger had to do was cuss like a sailor and use light force (shoving Brigitte) to show she was in charge. (This was an unconscious process. It's like Moe on the Three Stooges. The kid in charge just acts like that.) Ginger did not propose killing the dog. She proposed making it look like the dog had been killed by the BOBD, and then kills it when she's far along with werewolfism.

Outside of Brigitte, though, she backed down from Trina in the scene right before janitor, and you could see fear in her eyes as she does. Stealing Trina's dog was passive-aggressive. The whole reason why she insisted on following through on that plan, which obviously was as flawed as the janitor-shirt bit, was she felt she failed to protect Brigitte and then backed down against Trina. Therefore, leading to the janitor scene, Ginger has lost face severely with her sister, and Trina humiliated her in front of the whole class. Ginger will try any half-assed plan at that point to show she's still in charge and protecting her sister.

That leads into the first janitor scene. You're right, and I used to believe it was paranoid, but I've figured out it could be something else: either Ginger was a paranoid psychotic and thought it happened, or she lies a little.

Which one was it? Look at Brigitte's reaction. She didn't humor Ginger or get puzzled. She knew how Ginger felt and knew she lied a little. Brigitte wouldn't challenge Ginger on it. Ginger knew she wouldn't.

"Ginger was a lot more aggressive, and I think the reason why Brigitte didn't have many friends is because Ginger wouldn't let her."

Now, there is clip that they cut, and I'm glad they did, that says explicitly that Ginger kept Brigitte from having other friends. They probably cut it for a reason though. I think the sister' relationship was more complex than that. Brigitte said, "I'd rather die than be here without you." They had a co-dependent relationship and kept each other away from having anymore friends. Brigitte by needing Ginger, and Ginger by feeling she was needed.

I don't think pity was a strong enough reason to go with Ghost. Probably a strong enough one to not kill her. As for whether Brigitte had enough motive written in the script to go with her, I'll fall back on one thing: the person who wrote Unleashed was a first-time scriptwriter who has no other credits before or after. Unlike Karen Walton, she did not take five years writing it. Furthermore, she was writing somebody else's characters. You look at everything else about the movie, and it shows. I mean, for example, GS has all kinds of great lines in it. You have threads on that board where people recall their favorite lines, and there's a lot to choose from. How many do people quote from Unleashed? A "reign of moral terror," is few and far between.

Brigitte's motives for going with Ghost were sketchy as written. They weren't like that to emphasize anything about Brigitte's character.

I've given my total reasons for being disappointed with Unleashed, and it all comes down to the character that they want me to accept, and couldn't even before she locked Brigitte in the cellar. It had to do with the presentation, not the character itself.

This story makes sense to you as you've interpreted it, and I don't want to spoil it for you by making you defend it any more. I'm not going to give up my interpretation of Brigitte's character because it's central to my enjoyment of the first film. GS becomes very ordinary if I do.

Therefore, you can't give on your argument and I can't on mine. We're at an impasse. Further discussion won't help, so, I hope we finish friendly. It was a great discussion, thank you.

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[–] Morbius_Fitzgerald 12 years ago

Tell me, do you and "DesignDeath" often argue about the quality of the sequels? If so can you copy the links to the boards you do that on. Reading this was entertaining.

"If you don't like your ideas, stop having them!"

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[–] freeist 12 years ago

Thanks. It's amazing how different interpretations can be. But I've watched scenes over and over again to be sure. Not so much in Unleashed, but in GS.

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[–] Morbius_Fitzgerald 12 years ago

Thats what I found entertaining, you two are the only two people on this site I know that love discussing this film as much as me and you hate the sequels (I use the term loosely), he loves them. It is interesting to read that. In my eyes, yes I do like the sequels but are they anything on the original film? No.

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[–] Wildechild (193) 7 years ago

The ending was original. Not everything must have a happy ending. Gothic yarns usually end tragically.
It was a good movie.

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (77984) 7 years ago

I liked it too
The 3rd was my favorite of the bunch

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[–] Wildechild (193) 7 years ago

Emily was amazing in this. The prequel is ok but prefer this one.

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[–] R_Kane (15828) 7 years ago

I like all 3 films, and have the director's cut of the first one, which reveals more detail why the daughters were so fucked up. As for the whining about the ending of Snaps Back, how else was it going to end?? As we move through the narrative of the three movies, the story becomes increasingly horrible, showing us that Ginger's infection in the first film was the result of a curse started long ago when B refused to kill Ginger. They trapped themselves in a time-looping curse.

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