Why was Satan a woman?
Satan was not a woman in the Bible, so why is 'he' female in this film?
shareSatan was not a woman in the Bible, so why is 'he' female in this film?
shareBecause women are evil. Eve was the one that got tempted after all
/reasons why religion should be a guide at most and not the rule
Panzer vor!
Maybe if Mel Gibson makes a movie about Adam and Eve, the snake can have a female voice. That would be creepy in a good way :)
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hi brightwhitehorses,
Satan is a spirit being, it was just a Satanic\demonic manifestation in human form presumably.
In the bible Lucifer is a 'He' so it makes no sense that Mel Gibson would have had a woman be the manifestation of Satan . . . right?
shareI know Satan is male.
My point is Satan and his demons dont go around possessing, and influencing men only.
Satan also possesses and influences.. um..females.
It does make sense, in that man, and woman, are under the control and influence and Satan. Not just males. Females also.
In the bible Lucifer is a 'He'
There is no verse in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan,” but an examination of several passages reveals that Lucifer can be none other than Satan. The fall of Lucifer described in Isaiah 14:12 is likely the same that Jesus referred to in Luke 10:18: "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.” A similar fall is depicted in Ezekiel 28.
shareReading Isaiah will show you that passage is a taunt against the King of Babylon. It even states that. Several verses relate to the object of the taunt being human...
From Isaiah 14:
"you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon"
"Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble,"
"the man who made the world a wilderness, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?”
"All the kings of the nations lie in state, each in his own tomb. But you are cast out of your tomb like a rejected branch;"
"Prepare a place to slaughter his children for the sins of their ancestors; they are not to rise to inherit the land and cover the earth with their cities."
“I will wipe out Babylon’s name and survivors, her offspring and descendants,”
mamu u are talking *beep* again
https://www.gotquestions.org/who-Satan.html
Question: "Who is Satan? Who is the devil?"
Answer: People's beliefs concerning Satan range from the silly to the abstract—from a little red guy with horns who sits on your shoulder urging you to sin, to an expression used to describe the personification of evil. The Bible, however, gives us a clear portrait of who Satan is and how he affects our lives. Put simply, the Bible defines Satan as an angelic being who fell from his position in heaven due to sin and is now completely opposed to God, doing all in his power to thwart God's purposes.
Satan was created as a holy angel. Isaiah 14:12 possibly gives Satan’s pre-fall name as Lucifer. Ezekiel 28:12-14 describes Satan as having been created a cherub, apparently the highest created angel. He became arrogant in his beauty and status and decided he wanted to sit on a throne above that of God (Isaiah 14:13-14; Ezekiel 28:15; 1 Timothy 3:6). Satan’s pride led to his fall. Notice the many “I will” statements in Isaiah 14:12-15. Because of his sin, God permanently removed Satan from his exalted position and role.
Satan became the ruler of this world and the prince of the power of the air (John 12:31; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Ephesians 2:2). He is an accuser (Revelation 12:10), a tempter (Matthew 4:3; 1 Thessalonians 3:5), and a deceiver (Genesis 3; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Revelation 20:3). His very name means “adversary” or “one who opposes.” Another of his titles, the devil, means “slanderer.”
Even though he was cast out of heaven, he still seeks to elevate his throne above God. He counterfeits all that God does, hoping to gain the worship of the world and encourage opposition to God's kingdom. Satan is the ultimate source behind every false cult and world religion. Satan will do anything and everything in his power to oppose God and those who follow God. However, Satan’s destiny is sealed—an eternity in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).
Isaiah 14:12 possibly gives Satan’s pre-fall name as Lucifer.
Notice the many “I will” statements in Isaiah
And when you read it in context, Lucifer is clearly not Satan in Isaiah, or anywhere else in the Bible for that matter.
I am posting directly from the Bible, including context. How is that lying, just because it doesn't mesh with what you've been taught or told to believe?
You are posting directly from apologist websites. The main reason apologetics exists is to try to rationalize and defend the parts in the Bible that don't support their dogma or beliefs. If the Bible didn't have all those uncomfortable parts, you wouldn't need all these websites, as I would have nothing to argue against.
I am posting directly from the Bible, including context. How is that lying
You are posting directly from apologist websites
to try to rationalize and defend the parts in the Bible that don't support their dogma or beliefs
If the Bible didn't have all those uncomfortable parts, you wouldn't need all these websites
You really could do with talking to a psychiatrist...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoxZuggJk0I&t=7m06s
In fact, the Bible says the opposite of what your erroneous interpretations claim.
The Bible's parts are not uncomfortable by default.
Even that says "possibly" and cannot affirm that Lucifer is indeed Satan
And notice that they pertain to a human being who can die and have offspring and decedents.
Reading Isaiah will show you that passage is a taunt against the King of Babylon.
Question: Should the Bible say "Lucifer" or "morning star" in Isaiah 14:12? And does it refer to Satan?
Answer: The King James Bible is correct. Although "Lucifer" is the Latin version of the name, the passage is talking about Satan, not a mere Babylonian king.
Light-Bearer or Morning Star?
Throughout the world, if you ask people who "Heyleel" (hey-LEYL) is, most will not know what to answer. But if you ask them, "Who is Lucifer?" you will very likely get the correct answer. People know who Lucifer is. Ask the Luciferians, who worship Lucifer as a being of light. Ask the Satanists, who call their master Lucifer. No one is in doubt as to who Lucifer is.
What if you ask them, "Who is the morning star?" or "Who is the day star?" Most will know it’s Jesus. Look at these scriptures:
2 Peter 1:19: "We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:"
Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
Any translation that says "day star" or "morning star" or "star of the morning" in Isaiah 14:12, like most modern perversions, is bringing confusion. And God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33). Many people reading the modern perversions end up asking, "If Lucifer is the morning star and Jesus is the morning star, then is Lucifer Jesus?" The modern translations are simply not clear!
That is not all. The term translated "Lucifer" does NOT at all mean "morning star" or "star of the morning." That would be two totally different Hebrew words. The word means "light-bearer." In Greek it's "heosphoros," "light-bearer." In Latin it's translated "Lucifer," light-bearer. Whether you say "heylel," "heosphoros" or "lucifer," the meaning is the same: "light-bearer." But only Lucifer communicates who we are talking about in English.
And not only English uses the term. Look at these ancient translations of the word. They also use some form of "Lucifer."
Spanish Reina-Valera (1557 through 1909) Lucero
Czech Kralika (1613) lucifere
Romanian Cornilescu (to present) Luceafar
Going Deeper: the Example of Ezekiel
There is evidence that God is speaking through his prophet to someone other than the king, even though it starts out to that person. Ezekiel 28 is an excellent example. It begins by talking about a human being ruling as king of Tyrus (Tyre). Then the scene shifts and the devil behind the leader starts to take focus:
First God addresses the king, called the "prince of Tyrus":
Ezekiel 28:1-2: "The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God"
Then to the devil behind the prince, called the "king of Tyrus" (note the more specific references that have nothing to do with the location or time of Tyre):
Ezekiel 28:11-17: "Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee."
There was no one in Tyre that was in Eden or the mountain of God. No one there was a cherub (a type of angel). No one there was "created." This is Satan, Lucifer, the serpent, the dragon, the devil. (And I'm sure he recognizes those names for him by now!) Satan/Lucifer/the serpent/the dragon was a cherub, an angel. He was created, since angels were created, not born. Humans were born after Adam and Eve, not created. He was in the garden of God, Eden. He was the "covering cherub." He was "bright" as an angel of light (see also 2 Corinthians 11:14)
Now let's look back at Isaiah 14. Isaiah also begins talking to the physical king of Babylon, then afterward to the spirit behind him.
It starts out to the king:
Isaiah 14:4-8: "…thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us"
Then it changes in tone:
Isaiah 14:12-15: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."
The scriptures tell us who this is. Jesus said:
Luke 10:18-20: "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven."
Revelation also leaves no doubt as to who fell from heaven:
Revelation 12:7-12: "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."
So we know that the only ones in the Bible that fell from heaven are the Devil and his angels. These are the ones for whom "everlasting fire," the lake of fire, was made:
Matthew 25:41: "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"
Revelation 20:10: "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
The King James Bible is right, however we view it. Even if we pretend the scripture is only talking to the earthly king, it still is clearly talking about Satan, the Devil, known world over as Lucifer.
May God bless you as you read and trust the translation of His preserved words in English, the King James Bible.
Apologetics tap dancing to try to excuse away the fact that Satan is never called by the name Lucifer in the Bible.
Isaiah presents textual evidence that the person being taunted is not an eternal being, but a human king utilizing allegory and metaphor and poetic language. As was certainly the style for many of the books of the Bible, and much literature in general.
Answer: The King James Bible is correct.
Apologetics tap dancing
Satan is never called by the name Lucifer in the Bible
Isaiah presents textual evidence that the person being taunted is not an eternal being, but a human king
utilizing allegory and metaphor and poetic language.
Edited by men with an apparent agenda.
Satan is generally not called by the name Lucifer in the Bible because during the time-span that most of the Bible covers, Satan had already lost his name of Lucifer.
previously-cited, God-approved article
If they have an agenda, it is the the polar opposite of yours: theirs is to declare the truth of God accurately
It's because Satan was not lucifer lucifer is one Satan is two lucifer was son of the morning and the annointed cherubim after that he was made crooked your looming at the incorrect translation Assyrian means to be straight after that he became crooked and is why he is referred to as a serpent Satan is two the devil aka the serpent and the second half of Satan is Jezebel the Queen of heaven in revelations she is in proverbs and Hosea and she is also in us in our blood like a vine it is the reason sin abounds and the reason Grace abounds is because of christ we were cast out with those two beings we were the kings and preists of heaven and no one knows the Queen of heaven because she Saith in her heart no one seeith me and hides on the corner of every street in her high places you have to read the scriptures correctly and get the actual translation the even begin and the holy spirit does the rest
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shareMamu, stop posting here and misleading people with your lies.
When you say something is unbiblical, people might read it and believe it.
To everyone reading this Mamu is wrong, - Satan was created as an Angel by God, who rebelled, was kicked out of Heaven, tempted Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, and now lives on earth harassing people with his legion of followers (demons)
now THAT is a Biblical answer. Do not listen to incorrect ramblings of Mamu.
now THAT is a Biblical answer.
The OP/thread title is a false premise. There is nothing in this film that says Satan is a woman.
The actress who played him is a woman, but that doesn't mean that the character is a woman.
Satan is not a woman in this film.
"Science creates fictions to explain facts" – Gilman
Exactly it's an adrogynous manifestation of a demonic entity ...In my opinion this wasn't even the Biblical Satan but just a demon send by Satan like the demonic "baby" and "kids".I think Gibson will reveal the real Satan in the Sequel where Jesus descends in Hell to teach...
shareI didn't read down to all of the answers so maybe someone has already given it, but Gibson took this movie not from the Bible, but from "The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ," by Sr. Anne Catherine Emmerich: http://www.jesus-passion.com/DOLOROUS_PASSION_OF_OUR_LORD_JESUS_CHRIST.htm. Where this movie veers sharply from the Bible version, chances are you can find those scenes in that book. Otherwise, they're usually from Gibson's own imagination.
But you're right, brightwhitehorses -- that is one of the many differences this movie has with the Bible. And yet people insist it's "biblical." Apparently, they don't know the meaning of the word.
When evil is viewed as good, righteousness is viewed as evil.
Because "Lucifer" refers to the planet Venus, when viewed as a morning star.
Venus is female.
So is Ishtar, the Persian name for Venus.
..Joe
I think it was to make Satan look "a little off". I thought it was a man and then I wasn't sure, and this lack of surety put Satan into a kind of "uncanny valley" where it was just unsettling to look at him. I think this had as much to do with the lack of eyebrows.
shareI didn't watch the movie, but I do know that the Bible states that the Prince of Darkness can appear in any form he wants if it helps in his mission to separate humans from God. And it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for him to appear as a woman.
I still maintain that he appeared as a fake angel to trick Muhammad into inventing Islam.
'He' isn't.
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