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I can't believe people liked the original more than this remake!


After I finished the book, I was so excited to see the original version. I also saw there was a remake, so I rented them both. This one stayed true to the book, and so many of the scenes that I was looking forward to seeing in the original and that weren't there were here (e.g, confrontation between Mr. Hargensen and the principal, the scene with young Carrie and the neighbor, the rocks falling through the roof.) Also the ending was happy and I wanted to see Carrie happy, just like Ms. Desjarden said! Does anyone agree?

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Why don't you want it to be happy? Somehow watching this film I was certain that the ending was going to be happy, because you are just made to care for Carrie so much in this film that anything else but being completely alive and functioning at the end would be enough to ruin your evening, or mine at least.

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I agree. I liked the remake a lot better. Only I wasn't thrilled of the ending. I only liked the original ending better. Plus, I think Angela Bettis is so adorable. And I Just cry for her all those times when she was sad, crying, or anything sadness. But I love the remake better. Just not the ending.

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I am watching it as I write.I like this version better then the book and the original movie.
I hate the book,I stopped reading it.I did not read it for several years and many very good King books.I like King but some of his books have weak endings.

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The original was ten times better. Every actor in the original was better then the ones in this version. Carrie had to die. She killed a ton of people and even though it was because she got treated badly it doesn't justify what she did. It was also more realistic in the first movie. In this one the nice people lived so we can all go..gee, he/she was nice. I'm glad he/she didn't die. Then you can feel all warm and fuzzy. In real life that doesn't necessarily happen. Good people die or are hurt because of other people. Both leading actresses deserved their oscar nominations for their acting in the original. Nobody in the remake deserved any award because they weren't anywhere near as good.

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Carrie had to die. She killed a ton of people and even though it was because she got treated badly it doesn't justify what she did. It was also more realistic in the first movie. In this one the nice people lived so we can all go..gee, he/she was nice. I'm glad he/she didn't die. Then you can feel all warm and fuzzy. In real life that doesn't necessarily happen. Good people die or are hurt because of other people.


EXACTLY.

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Another thing I love about this version is the confrontation between the principle and Chris' dad. Talk about a verbal bitch slap.

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he may be a little crass, but he's right; the original Carrie outshines the remake. The original can be mistaken for boring, but in actuality its just very subtle in its horror. There's built up tension, very impressive shots, and a general creepiness throughtout the whole film. and when there is gore, its done tastefully. I think the acting is believable and real, you relate with Carrie and feel bad for her, I just didn't feel very much for the "new" Carrie. I think you just have to appreciate the slower, old school style of horror cinema

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I agree. the new one seems so contrived; its not as simple and concise as the original. I can appreciate a remake as a new approach to an old movie, but I can't take it at all when these people take perfectly good movies and massacre them with their modernizations.

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I am actually a huge DePalma fan and in fact do appreciate the craft and technique he used for the original
Carrie. I'm not even saying that I think the remake is a better movie. All I am saying is that I was disappointed in the original because it left out so much from the book, and that many of the scenes I was looking forward to seeing in the original weren't there. I can understand why you might think the original was a better movie, but as far as staying true to the book, the remake captured that better. Also the ending appealed to me more because in the remake, I cared for Carrie so much that I didn't want to see her dead. If the book didn't exist, I would have enjoyed the original more.



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Both films fail in their own ways...DePalma's hatred of women is all over that film, Spacek plays Carrie like she's developmentally challenged, the split screen at the prom kills the impact of the scene and no wrecked town while Carson's film wants Carrie's revenge to be nothing but post-traumatic stress reaction instead of a full mental breakdown and she lives (nurse-maided by Sue)...

...and both fail in the same way, IMHO.

Both movies go to extremes to make certain that we know that the vote for King and Queen of the Prom was fixed so that Tommy and Carrie won.

In the book however, Chris swears that she has enough pull to make everyone vote for Tommy and Carrie...but that's all we know until the winners are announced. We are allowed to wonder if Chris really did it. Or maybe she doesn't have the influence she thinks she has after all and that there were just enough genuine votes to put Carrie up there on the throne.

Maybe the class did really vote for Carrie as some kind of gesture - be it pity, apology or whatever. Maybe because of that night some of the kids were at last seeing Carrie in a different light.

And that makes what happens with the bucket of blood and everything that came after in the book just all that more tragic and horrible.

Hate that the movies stripped that out of the story.

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I haven't seen this particular version, but I have to agree with a majority; 'Carrie' was meant as a tragedy, you watch/read it and then you weep. That's the whole idea, so a happy ending wouldn't work. It would be like giving 'Hamlet' or 'The Virgin Spring (oh, wait...)' a happy ending.

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After I finished the book, I was so excited to see the original version. I also saw there was a remake, so I rented them both. This one stayed true to the book, and so many of the scenes that I was looking forward to seeing in the original and that weren't there were here (e.g, confrontation between Mr. Hargensen and the principal, the scene with young Carrie and the neighbor, the rocks falling through the roof.) Also the ending was happy and I wanted to see Carrie happy, just like Ms. Desjarden said! Does anyone agree?


Well, that's what's nice about movies, books, music, etc....some will like things more than others. It's all a matter of personal taste.

That being said, the original version is much better IMHO. The acting was top notch, and Spacek and Laurie going head to head in a battle of wills is cinema gold. Of course, it would have been nice if Depalma had included more elements from the book, but because of budget costs, he couldn't.


The main problem I had with the remake was Angela Bettis. I don't want to sound mean, but she was badly OVER-acting. She played carrie as if she was
suffering from a nervous breakdown...constantly shaking and crossing her eyes when she got scared, etc...it was just too over the top. I wanted to pick on her myself! Also, on the other end of the spectrum, Patricia Clarkson's performance was too understated. She was playing 'margaret' as a perfectly calm rational human being who just happened to believe practically ANYTHING was sinful. I just didn't believe she was a crazy woman who would snap and kill her daughter...unlike Laurie's performance.

To end on a positive note, I DID like the fact that Billy Nolan was much more dark and sinister in the remake...he's that way in the book.

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Also, on the other end of the spectrum, Patricia Clarkson's performance was too understated. She was playing 'margaret' as a perfectly calm rational human being who just happened to believe practically ANYTHING was sinful.


Think that was based on "It's the quiet ones you have to watch."

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I think this one was deeper and much more developed. I like both versions, but I'm kinda leaning toward this one.

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I think this one was deeper and much more developed. I like both versions, but I'm kinda leaning toward this one.


Yes, this version had more time to develop the characters a bit more, but I still found it inferior.

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Think that was based on "It's the quiet ones you have to watch."


Interesting point.

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I actually liked Patricia's cold, understated performance in this.. i always thought Piper Laurie, though i like her as an actress, played Margaret White wayyy over theatrical and over the top... but it is all personal taste after all.

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The main problem I had with the remake was Angela Bettis. I don't want to sound mean, but she was badly OVER-acting. She played carrie as if she was
suffering from a nervous breakdown...constantly shaking and crossing her eyes when she got scared, etc...it was just too over the top. I wanted to pick on her myself! []


THIS! 1000%! It's like the only two expressions she had was bug-eyed and cross eyed and it drove me crazy. It didn't make you sympathetic to Carrie, it just made you say, "Well no wonder people wanted to beat her up!" Sissy Spacek from the original was a hell of a lot more believable and made you actually care about what happened to Carrie. I also liked Piper's Laurie's performance as Carrie's mother. Margaret White was portrayed as an utter loon and scary as hell in the book and the folks in town knew it. Patricia Clarkson was way too understated and not at all frightening.

To end on a positive note, I DID like the fact that Billy Nolan was much more dark and sinister in the remake...he's that way in the book.


I also agree with this. John Travolta in the original made Billy Nolan look like a clueless buffoon instead of sociopath he was supposed to be. I always hated the fact that they had Chris try to run over Carrie in the original movie instead of Billy doing it like it was in the book. That was one thing the remake got right. In reality it was Chris that ended up losing control of Billy, not Chris always leading Billy around. I also like the sassier Sue Snell in the remake.

Another win for the remake is structure of them interrogating the survivors with the story as testimony and flashbacks because that was actually closer to the structure of the book. And I loved that they included the scene with Chris' father threatening the principal with a lawsuit because Chris was kicked out of the prom. That was straight out of the book and the portrayal in the movie was gold.

The ending for both movies didn't following the book at all. Having Carrie live in the remake is crap and while the original ending was closer to the spirit of the book, Carrie didn't die the way they portrayed in the original either. In the book, Carrie died in Sue Snell's arms after she killed her mother. The story is supposed to be a tragedy, so I thought the remake trying to make a "happy" ending was a bit of a fail.

But in the end, while I liked some stuff from the remake, I'll have to say that I do enjoy the original a bit better.

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Why would you prefer the remake's changed ending when the whole reason you like the remake better is that it's more faithful to the book?


Because even though it got the "big thing" wrong, it got 99.9% of the rest of it right.

If there was some way to re-edit then ending and correct it like "Star Wars: The Phantom Edit" it would be wonderful.

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I actually liked both movies not sure which one I liked the best though because each had its faults.
I liked the ending in the first movie but enjoyed the fact the remake was more faithful to the books except from the ending.

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The remake was pointless (and bombed in the ratings). Yes--it WAS more faithful to the book until the truly lousy ending. The acting was sub-par compared to the original (Remember--Sissy Spacek and Piper Laurie were nominated for Academy awards for their acting in the original. That almost NEVER happens for a horror film). Also this film was WAY too long. This has basically been forgotten and will hopefully stay that way. And really--"Carrie" as a SERIES????? Can ideas get any stupidier?

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as good as DePalma's film was i have to say i enjoyed this version much better. i think Spacek did an ok performance but she really wasn't able to make me believe she was Carrie. she was too pretty to play her and she was popular in high school so that might have been a factor. Bettis was much more convincing, she had a lot more material to work with and she was a fan of the books so that worked in her favour. she was really able to look ugly for the part and something struck me about the scene where she is elected prom queen. she isn't suddenly graceful and poised like Spacek's Carrie, we still see some of her awkwardness and shyness there. also John Travolta was a complete misfit in the original

there were also things about DePalma's film that didn't click, some things that were too Hollywood like Carrie crying like an someone winning a pageant when she becomes queen or Tommy kissing Carrie at the prom. the original also didn't show too much of the bullying which is a big part of Carrie's life and this film definitely showed us that this girl had a horrible life

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as good as DePalma's film was i have to say i enjoyed this version much better. i think Spacek did an ok performance but she really wasn't able to make me believe she was Carrie. she was too pretty to play her and she was popular in high school so that might have been a factor. Bettis was much more convincing, she had a lot more material to work with and she was a fan of the books so that worked in her favour. she was really able to look ugly for the part and something struck me about the scene where she is elected prom queen. she isn't suddenly graceful and poised like Spacek's Carrie, we still see some of her awkwardness and shyness there.


Eh...I never got the impression that Carrie was supposed to be ugly...at least not from the book. There was even a passage in the book where Tommy noticed that she wasn't really ugly...just shy and scared. And everyone was amazed at the transformation she made at the prom. She was picked on because she was strange and her "ugliness" was due to the fact that she had to dress up in ugly clothes that covered her up. And Tommy was an all around sweet guy in both movies and in the book...I don't think that peck on the cheek he gave Carrie was out of line in his character.

On the other hand, I think Bettis overdid trembling cross-eyed, bug-eyed look...it was one of things that bothered me about the remake.

also John Travolta was a complete misfit in the original


Agree with you there. Travolta's Billy Nolan was portrayed as an idiot...instead of the scary character he was supposed to be. The remake's version was closer to what the character should have been...but still could have been acted better.

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I'm inclined to disagree.

The remake was unnecessary, the modernizing was painful, the CGI - even for TV - was awful, the cast was... interesting (the only one I'll say actually did a decent job was Patricia Clarkson), the score at times was like a bad Peter Gabriel knock-off, etc etc.

DePalma, while he didn't follow the book 100%, delivered an excellent adaptation with great performances, really tense moments and so forth.

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