Jet Li vs UFC Fighters
What do you think? How would Jet Li do against someone like Tito Ortiz,Randy Corture,Chuck Liddell in a "REAL FIGHT"
shareSIZE DOES MATTER.
Jet is a great martial artist and a tough guy, I'm sure. Tito, Shamrock, etc. are all much bigger, mostly heavyweights. Against any lightweights, I'm sure Jet (at least in his younger days) could hold his own.
In a fight, Jet Li would LOSE.
The guy is amazing, but UFC fighters are big and bulky, not very easy to take down.
HOWEVER, give Jet Li and the UFC fighters a weapon, and they're screwed. A simple staff can kill a person with one blow. Somewhere around the lungs if you jab and can get them in between the ribs. That kills with one hit, and pretty painful too.
So Jet Li can own them with a mop or some other minor weapon.
I read somewhere that at the height of Bruce Lee's life (Enter the Dragon we'll say) he was pound-for-pound the strongest man on the planet. Couple that with the fact that he may have been the biggest blur on screen ever (or at least until Sonic the hedgehog), I think he could take most of the UFC guys, although a lot of my friends would disagree. Jet Li, on the other hand, I don't know. He is older, slower (but still freakin fast), and not as strong. I think he could do well, but not beat the best of the best. Tony Jaa would probably fare better simply because he seems a little stronger.
My favorite Asian martial arts actor is still Jackie Chan, but I admit he'd get killed.
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Jet Li would get owned in UFC, lol. Hands down and also Jackie no matter how much I like him. Tony Jaa with his muay thai, who knows, it is a good striking art, but I don't think he'd fair well against a grappler and striker mixed, plus didn't he only do it so he can do the Ong Bak movie?
shareWhy don't you people understand that Jet Li isn't a fighter but an actor. His skills are for showing off purposes not for real life fights. I mean sure, he could beat any averae joe with ease, but this would already be alone to his physical fitness. The UFC fighters on the other hand train daily to fight real fights. They are really fast, like see this video of Fedor vs Crocop http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-234887588630418587&q=fedor+vs+crocop
Look at the kick by Crocop around 1:00, and incredible fast and great reflexes Fedor has. Also they aren't stupid fighters who just try hit eachother. Both had a strategy there.
Anyway, Bruce Lee is a more difficult story. He's somewhat overhyped, but I do believe that he was more than what his record or the lack of it shows. I mean his speed was really something. And I think he could have used that to his advantage, but because of his small size he too would have lost if grappled.
Did you know that even Muhammed Ali fought in MMA? He fought against Antonio Ito, the best MMA fighters of that time and it ended in draw. However, if Ali was to try to fight in todays MMA, he would get beaten up. Because the fighting styles have evolved. It was just a while ago that I saw a video of some good boxer fighting in MMA against some average - below average kickboxer. The boxer didn't get even one hit before giving up, the kickboxer just kept making really fast kicks on his legs, so the boxer had no chance because at long range kicks would beat him and in close range grappling would beat him.
in the newsstand booklet "Total Body Guide" published by Men's Health magazine, there's a section that has select celebrities' stories and their workout routines/diets/etc...
Jet Li is featured in this section.
in the interview with Mr. Li by a Men's Health writer, he has a few things to say about martial arts on the streets:
"You could probably beat me up..." he says to the interviewer.
He then talks about how he's not a hero, and that the things he does, alot of guys can do, and also says, "... I think alot of guys on the street can beat me up. It doesn't mean anything."
You people take movies WAAAY too seriously. I bet you all also believe that there are fifty foot snakes, and that the "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" really happened. WuShu is NOT a combat art and Jet Li does NOT train to fight, has never been in a fight in his whole life (in his own words), and doesn't even know HOW to really fight (also straight from the horse's mouth).
Kung Fu in general is very ineffective, even Bruce Lee said this. Thats why he created "Jeet Kune Do", because Kung Fu is practically worthless in a real fight. Jeet Kune Do WAS MMA. It was taking what worked from any style, and discarding what didn't. Bruce Lee trained in boxing and grappling because he KNEW (just as MMAers do) that was the way to go as far as actually being an effective fighter.
Bruce Lee AND Jet Li have both said that Kung Fu is ineffective in the REAL world, and they're two of the most respected and skilled practitioners of Kung Fu in modern times. End of debate. Anyone who says Jet Li could take ANY professional fighter is a clown.
I would disagree that Kung Fu is ineffective. It all comes from the way it's taught. Practicing forms all day will get you nowhere, and a lot of martial artists don't know what they're doing.
I fail to see the strength of boxing though. I mean, there's great conditioning and everything, but you completely eliminate your legs. And don't get me wrong, I feel that any sort of martial art can be good (boxing, kung fu, karate, whatever) but it all depends on the practitioner.
And as to the topic, I don't know Jet Li on a fighter level, so I can't make a valid opinion as to him fighting some UFC fighter. One thing I think people should realize here, though, is the fact that there are lots of rules that come with the UFC that protect those fighters. Yes they are tough guys and everything, but if I had to deal with a boxer or some kind of MMA guy like that, I would go for his legs (break his knees, not hard to do with the right angle),because they are usually not used much, and go for his throat. If you can't breathe you can't fight, and you can't condition your throat from collapsing or being crushed.
Bruce Lee also spoke of the ineffectiveness(probably not a word) of traditional kung fu because of it's lack of effeciency. On the same token though, he took bits and pieces from these martial arts to make a superior martial art (jeet kune do). By this he is honoring the usefulness of Kung Fu. But I believe, just as he believed, that martial arts should be a fluid form, and a study that should incorporate anything useful to you, whether it's something from boxing, something from Aikido, or something from *insert fighting style here*. My problem with UFC MMA fighters is that they only kickbox or box, use a muay thai clench and then go to the ground and use BJJ and say they are MMA. It's mostly just boxing and ground work, I'd like to see something more. Especially within their ground work. I'd love to see more use of legs on the ground, and some different submissions, less ground and pound. But I do enjoy UFC a lot, I must say. They are talented fighters as well, these are just a few qualms.
And finally, here is two quotes from Bruce Lee to leave you with. They're from his book Jeet Kune Do. On boxing versus real fighting "If you put on a glove, you are dealing in rules. You must know the rules to survive. But in the street you have more tools in your favor-the kick, the throw, the punch." Jeet Kune Do and Thai boxing "Sure, it's a little like Thai boxing, except that if you had a gung fu fight, there'd never be any 'round three.' Somebody would be lying on the floor."
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You're naiv if you can't read anything more past what he said. Do you REALLY think that a normal guy like you and me can beat jet li? Absolutely not. What Jet Li is doing is what a great champion does; be humble. That's also one thing that Jet Li is much about.
He always talk about how he can't beat anyone. He isn't the cocky person. BUT don't get it confused that what he is saying is the truth. Far from it, his cabinet is full of prizes and to win those prizes you must be REAL good. If it was so easy then alot of people would win his awards.
Same as for his interview in the dvd. Jet Li isn't the type to say; Yes I can beat him. Just goes to show how little you guys know about him.
As for Kung Fu beeing ineffective; HAHAHAHAHHAH this is the most ridicilous claims I've heard since they last told me that Bush is a good president. You're questioning a method of fighting that's been used over 2000 years against a fighting "style" that's been used for no more then 30-40 years AT TOPS? Are you people insane?
NO Jet Li wouldn't win against all of them UFC fighters. Right now Jet Li wouldn't win on most of them since he is aging you know. He is 43! But jet Li in his prime would kick ANY UFC fighter without a doubt.
Some of you are ignorant to actually believe that power=win! You either don't have much experience from fighting (as in streets cause in the streets you fight all kind of different guys) or you're just talkin out of your a$$. What does power do if you can't handle all situations that you can be put in?
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Ok, so he's modest. What about Bruce? Bruce was extremely cocky, and ALWAYS bragged about being able to beat and even kill men with his bare hands. He also said Kung Fu was ineffective, and impractical in a real fight (and most of his JKD striking was from boxing), and that any decent boxer or even street fighter would be able to beat most black belts. WHOOOOSH.....did ya hear that? That was your argument flying out the window (unless of course you're more knowledgable of Kung Fu than Bruce friggin' Lee...). Jet Li may not be cocky, but he's not a liar either.
Sure, Jet has tons of nice trophies...in taolu Wushu. Which has no fighting or contact whatsoever. At all. They don't even train for actual fights, and someone who practices this has no better chance in a fight than a professional dancer. All Taolu Wushu is, is ballet with air punches and kicks. Look it up. I'm not stating opinions, but facts. This is what Li is so awesome at, and it's NOT a fighting/combat art.
I don't know about you, but I would dismantle Jet Li in quick and dominant fashion. I train in Muay Thai kickboxing, boxing, submission combat wrestling and Brazillian Jiu Jitsu (hopefully you'll see ME in the UFC someday :p). At the gym where I train, they also teach Sanda Wushu (the actual combat version...not the dancing *beep* Jet does), and when it comes to sparring the Kung Fu guys tend to get smacked around by...well, pretty much everything else besides Tae Kwon Do (it's a mixed martial arts gym). I know what I'm talking about from EXPERIENCE.
LOL@you kiddies and your hard cases of hero worship. The guy himself can say he's more of an actor than a fighter, and two of the greatest Kung Fu legends of the last century can say it's an ineffective martial art, and you guys will STILL believe you are watching the ultimate badass when you go see "Fearless".
You kids are arguing based on what you've seen in MOVIES, which is pathetic. Keep in mind that in a MOVIE, even Toby Maguire can take on 15 guys at once. Sorry to burst your bubble, but in real life Jet Li can't jump in the air and kick nine guys before he lands. Welcome to reality.
Lastly, being old doesn't make an art effective, it's part of what makes it ineffective. Most of the moves these guys waste their time practicing were designed for situations nobody encounters these days. For example, those pretty jumping kicks were designed to knock a man off of a horse. Thats why they don't work in a real fight squared up with another guy. Because they weren't even meant to.
Take it from someone who actually has knowledge of martial arts, not from some idiot(s) who took Jet Li's "Fist of Legend" WAAAY too seriously.
^ most of what you said is true...but i feel sad for you if you think mediocre boxers can take apart black belts of any MA...
I've seen a 1 year Tae Kwon Do student take apart a 4 year boxer at my university...boxers arent immune and they have a huge weakness they are not taught to kick...i'm not saying they cant kick or wont kick in real life but all the TKD student had to do was put 4 nice kicks into the boxer's legs and he coulnt keep going...boxers legs arent used to getting pounded...
I can bet $100 that any good lets say Muay Thai teacher can take apart any boxer...and not Tony Jaa either...i mean a proper Muai Thaist..
Because Muay Thai is actually an effective art. I train it myself as well as boxing. It's actually my favorite martial art.
That boxer was a joke. I don't even believe that. I've seen TKD blackbelts get schooled by guys with NO training, and I've never seen them even give a decent fight to ANY MMAer. LOTS of guys in MMA know TKD or started out with karate or something, but they just don't use it. Why? It's ineffective. That's why they stick to boxing and Muay Thai. Why aren't there any successful TKD/Kung Fu/Karate guys in mixed martial arts? Like I said before, do you think they haven't TRIED?
Well, they have tried, and failed miserably every time.
Also, "any" boxer? I think not. It's going to vary, but I hope you're not suggesting that any ol' Muay Thai instructor can defeat pro boxers on a regular basis. The pros would kill them.
Actually boxing by itself is a pretty poor fighting style too. Boxers can't kick, and that's why kickboxing for example is far superior form of fighting.
And I'm kind of beginning to doubt your knowledge of the subject. What the hell do you mean TKD (Tae Kwon Do?) is a poor art? Go search for pride records, there have been plenty of them and even Karate practicioners. Sure, none of them has been exceptionally good, but the fact that they have been competiting there and have won matches, means that they could beat the *beep* out of most non-professional fighters, you included.
The one thing in Kung-Fu what makes me like it is the philosophy. You can tell that someone like Jet Li is intelligent. Then we have people like you here acting all high and mighty and putting others down; sure, you speak facts most of the time, but having a little respect for someone like Jet Li would be appropriate, no?
Oh, and also, even if Jet Li doesn't practise a real fighting art, he still has great physics and he is really fast. He's also in control of his body and has great reflexes. That is why he can beat up even an inexperienced MMA fighter (not anyone in Pride or comparable, but I'm sure that he could beat you). And by inexperienced I mean inexperienced in a real fight.
"Actually boxing by itself is a pretty poor fighting style too. Boxers can't kick, and that's why kickboxing for example is far superior form of fighting."
Kickboxing is superior, and as far as stand up fighting styles, little else is, which has been proven.
"And I'm kind of beginning to doubt your knowledge of the subject. What the hell do you mean TKD (Tae Kwon Do?) is a poor art? Go search for pride records, there have been plenty of them and even Karate practicioners. Sure, none of them has been exceptionally good"
You already handled this one. None have been very good, and the ones that DO make it know OTHER arts which is usually what they actually use. For example, David Loiseau got started in martial arts with TKD, but he's not stupid enough to try and use that *beep* in the cage. He mostly sticks to Muay Thai. Most of these other guys with TMA backrounds are a similar situation.
"The one thing in Kung-Fu what makes me like it is the philosophy."
I don't care what you like about it or don't. I like Kung Fu too. It's a cool art. I didn't say nothing about Kung Fu that Jet Li or Bruce Lee themselves hasn't said. It's ineffective in this day and age. The fact that I like it doesn't stop me from wiping the floor with Kung Fu guys during training.
"You can tell that someone like Jet Li is intelligent. Then we have people like you here acting all high and mighty and putting others down; sure, you speak facts most of the time, but having a little respect for someone like Jet Li would be appropriate, no?"
Again, you handled this by yourself. I'm not just putting people down, everything I've said is true. It's not disrespectful to Jet Li to speak the truth, he said it himself. Jet Li is one of my favorite actors and I'm a huge fan, otherwise I wouldn't even have come to this page. It's disrespectful to REAL fighters such as those mentioned in this thread when people see too many movies and degrade their skills because they don't waste time jumping in the air and spinning around before they kick eachother.
They see Jet Li doing fancy *beep* with wires attached to him and run around talking about how he'd DESTROY someone who has dedicated their entire life to ACTUAL fighting. THAT'S disrespectful. Being HONEST is not.
"Oh, and also, even if Jet Li doesn't practise a real fighting art, he still has great physics and he is really fast. He's also in control of his body and has great reflexes. That is why he can beat up even an inexperienced MMA fighter (not anyone in Pride or comparable, but I'm sure that he could beat you). And by inexperienced I mean inexperienced in a real fight. "
Again, it's easy to watch his MOVIES and say this, and I agree, but there are plenty of dancers with just as good reflexes. It doesn't mean they can beat up a trained fighter. Jet Li has never been in a fight, and has never thrown a real punch in his life, and weighs about as much as a teenage girl.
Even if he COULD outstrike me (I'm very doubtful), his "reflexes" wouldn't help him when I double legged his ass. Then I could have my way with him on the ground and he would be virtually defenseless. Even the best wrestlers in the world (look at Kevin Randleman) get tooled when they don't know the sub game, and Jet would get picked apart mercilessly with NO grappling experience whatsoever (if his child like frame could even handle the initial slam).
I'm a huge fan, but he wouldn't stand a chance.
Ok, that was much better and shed some light. I still think you could have worded up your beliefs better, though.
Check Pride or was it K1. They've had some gold metal TKD fighter(s), if memory serves.
No, no, you're misundersanding me. I'm not basing it on his movies. The FACTS are that he is really quick fellow and rather strong too. Now, if you've ever seen a real fight, you know that even people in bad shape and without any fighting background can do devastating damage with their punches. Then lets take someone like Jet Li, who is in a great shape and does know how to use his fists, not at all as good as any decent MMA fighter, but he still surely is better than your average Joe. That's why I'd say he'd win in any bar brawl or even against some MA fighter, who still hasn't had any real fighting experience.
NO Jet Li wouldn't win against all of them UFC fighters. Right now Jet Li wouldn't win on most of them since he is aging you know. He is 43! But jet Li in his prime would kick ANY UFC fighter without a doubt.You live in a dream world. share