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to adapt to our ways. The parents in the film (Indian parents) were portrayed as not wanting their daughter to marry or interact with white kids but yet they are in a country with 97.9 percent white kids. Same with Muslims. Stay home if you don't want your offspring interacting with us.

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ignorant question. refer to this thread:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0286499/board/thread/109595870

fyi, they weren’t opposed to interacting with “white kids”
just the idea of her marrying someone who wasn’t of the same background (although this wasn’t really explored that well in the movie)

also, prejudice goes both ways.

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hey excuse me but why is this question "ignorant". Could it be that you are ignorant because you can't debate or discuss an issue without getting hostile (very childish).

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no offense meant,
i just feel it's ignorant because it's directly implying that people from a different culture should be forced to assimilate. i.e. that they should adapt to 'our' ways
legitimate argument, but it doesn't help race relations in any way.

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Indians and others come to britain and america and other countries because it provides them with better opportunities for jobs and allows them to be more financially stable and get their children a better life

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And the reason they have a better life is directly due to them being in a more progressive, open and tolerant culture than there own.

There's racist and bigoted idiots everywhere but in my own experience (which includes 8 years overseas and I am in the middle east right now) is that south asian people have more racists and close minded bigots that the average European. Although I think Europeans are more dangerous if they become racists as Europeans are bigger, stronger and have better weaponry!

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Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.

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And the reason they have a better life is directly due to them being in a more progressive, open and tolerant culture than there own.


define better life? I would limit it to more financial opportunities, but I can't say they are benefiting too much culturally.


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So you think they would be better off back in the sub-continent where they would have no safer driving standards, efficient public transportation, excellent infrastructure, no arranged marriages, world class education, lack of government welfare and health cover etc?

The Sub-Continent is getting richer so are all the Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis getting ready to leave the UK then? I don't think so!

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A lot of first generation immigrants really have to struggle with cultural assimilation and their children growing up in a completely different environment than they're used to. Yes, some of these changes are beneficial and some aren't. So it's actually *a lot* more subjective than some people would like to believe. It depends on your own definition of a 'better life'.

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So why do they stay if they feel the native culture isn't as good as theirs?

Half my family were immigrants of one sort of another and I myself work overseas a lot so I'm not some inbred country idiot whose experience of the world includes package holidays and whatever TV says...and I do wonder why some Asian communities are happy to insult their hosts (often in their own language because they think that Brits cannot learn other languages for some bizzare reason)...spewing forth racist and cultural insults about the people who have enacted laws to protect their minority arses from mass oppression.

So if life isn't really better in their eyes why not just go? Sell up and leave...because to be honest I do not think people who don't put native British culture first should be allowed to be citizens anyways...at best they should have long term work visas and that's it.

Of course that makes me a racist doesn't it? Wanting to preserve my own culture? Funny that because I am not 100% "white"...but then it's about culture not race.

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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful"

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to be honest I do not think people who don't put native British culture first should be allowed to be citizens anyways
What exactly is "native British culture"? The UK is just like the US, Canada, etc.---they're all Americanized/Westernized countries that aren't that different from each other.

As for assimilation, are you sure that's a good idea? Indians are the most successful immigrants in the US and #2 in the UK (after Chinese) for a reason. We have low crime rates and high college graduate and employment rates because we retain culture and listen to our parents like just Chinese and Koreans do.

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I dont see a problem with them not wanting their kids to marry white kids, its their religion. The only thing I do see a problem with is them not following our laws, so aslong as they agree to follow our laws (even if they go against their religion, after all if we go to their country we would be expected to follow their laws even if its against our religion) the there isnt a problem with them being over here.

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What exactly is "native British culture"? The UK is just like the US, Canada, etc.---they're all Americanized/Westernized countries that aren't that different from each other.

I have to strongly disagree with this statement as it's completely untrue. There is such a thing as British culture and there always will be. At the moment the UK's enthic population stand at about 8%, as long as the figure remains that low then the prevailing culture will always be the British Culture.

Britian isn't an 'Americanized' culture and it's development is massively different to the US. American was colonized, mostly by British settlers, but later by settlers from all over Europe. They decimated the indiginous population and repopulated an Asian culture with a Caucasian population.

Britian's population came from a different route. We are a mixture of Anglo-Saxon, Norman, Viking and Celtic people's. The indiginous population of Britian wasn't wiped out by invaders, it was eventually assimilated providing the rich cultural heritage of the British people.


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I have to strongly disagree with this statement as it's completely untrue. There is such a thing as British culture and there always will be. At the moment the UK's enthic population stand at about 8%, as long as the figure remains that low then the prevailing culture will always be the British Culture.

Britian isn't an 'Americanized' culture and it's development is massively different to the US. American was colonized, mostly by British settlers, but later by settlers from all over Europe. They decimated the indiginous population and repopulated an Asian culture with a Caucasian population.

Britian's population came from a different route. We are a mixture of Anglo-Saxon, Norman, Viking and Celtic people's. The indiginous population of Britian wasn't wiped out by invaders, it was eventually assimilated providing the rich cultural heritage of the British people.
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You disagreed with my point about culture, but what you've given to counter it is an ancestry breakdown of the indigenous people of Britain and nothing about culture. How each country has developed is irrelevant; the fact is the culture of all the Anglophone countries today is not very different from each other...

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Neha_Dhupia: "the fact is the culture of all the Anglophone countries today is not very different from each other..."

I think you mean Anglosphere...and why would they be different?

That's a bit like accusing Mexicans of not being very different from Colombians?


Neha_Dhupia: "Sikh and Hindu parents don't want their children to marry someone that is not of their religion because they believe the family's religion and customs will die out with the grandchild (and they're usually right)."

Can't be a very adaptable religion and culture then can it?...
By this reasoning if their culture and religion is so precious to them surely it's better to stay in the homeland and only mix with each other?

Neha_Dhupia: "When has an Indian ever had trouble complying with a law because of religion?"

Depends if the Indian in question is a Muslim, Sikh or a Hindu...most Hindus are very well assimilated into British culture and have been well looked after by the UK (from when we allowed the Commonwealth Citizen Status in the 60s to the taking in of Gujurati refugees from Uganda).

Same goes for most Sikhs.

As for Muslims...



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I think you mean Anglosphere...and why would they be different?
The Anglosphere is made up of the Anglophone countries. And they isn't much difference; that's been my point my from the beginning.

Can't be a very adaptable religion and culture then can it?...
Apparently it can. You even said yourself that Hindus and Sikhs have been able to assimilate well.

By this reasoning if their culture and religion is so precious to them surely it's better to stay in the homeland and only mix with each other?
Why should moving to another country stop them from preserving their culture and religion if it doesn't interfere with anything else?

As for Muslims...
If this is really about MUSLIMS not being able to assimilate well, then why didn't you write that in the subject and original post instead of Indians? Why are Indians always getting lectured and harassed for things Muslims do when the vast majority of us aren't even Muslims?

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I dont see a problem with them not wanting their kids to marry white kids, its their religion.
Sikh and Hindu parents don't want their children to marry someone that is not of their religion because they believe the family's religion and customs will die out with the grandchild (and they're usually right).

The only thing I do see a problem with is them not following our laws, so aslong as they agree to follow our laws (even if they go against their religion, after all if we go to their country we would be expected to follow their laws even if its against our religion) the there isnt a problem with them being over here.
When has an Indian ever had trouble complying with a law because of religion?

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When has an Indian ever had trouble complying with a law because of religion?


They probably havent, Im not sure. But I was simply saying that aslong as they follow our laws than they have as much right to be here as we do.

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princessemmafan: "I dont see a problem with them not wanting their kids to marry white kids, its their religion. The only thing I do see a problem with is them not following our laws, so aslong as they agree to follow our laws (even if they go against their religion, after all if we go to their country we would be expected to follow their laws even if its against our religion) the there isnt a problem with them being over here."

Agreed.

The trouble today is that some immigrants don't think the British Common Law is good enough for them and want it replaced with some system from the Dark Ages...

...I personally believe immigrants should only be allowed to have long term or life residence visas no matter how long they are in the UK...passports should be reserved for people who completely adopt native British names, dress, customs, language and culture...everyone else should be welcome guests.

...of course if I say that everyone will call me racist because British people are not allowed to love and protect their culture. British people have to celebrate Eid and Diwali and learn about how wicked their ancestors were for having an Empire instead :o)

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Neha_Dhupia:
What exactly is "native British culture"? The UK is just like the US, Canada, etc.---they're all Americanized/Westernized countries that aren't that different from each other.

Native British culture is anything English, Scots or Welsh...things like Shakespeare, Haggis, drinking tea with milk, Roast dinner, real ale, punctuality, excellent education, Charles Darwin, Isaac Newton, David Beckham, Gaelic languages, 1400 years of literature from Beowulf to Chaucer - to Keats to JRR Tolkein, The Rolling Stones, Led Zepplin, Iron Maiden, The Spice Girls, Portishead, James Bond, The Balti Curry, The Scientific Method, and thousands of artists, writers, poets, inventors, scientists, statesmen and leaders...

Your comments about Americanisation (with American spelling no less!) are quite ignorant really and would be insulting but for your complete lack of understanding of what culture means.

"As for assimilation, are you sure that's a good idea? Indians are the most successful immigrants in the US and #2 in the UK (after Chinese) for a reason. We have low crime rates and high college graduate and employment rates because we retain culture and listen to our parents like just Chinese and Koreans do."

Yes assimilation is a fantastic idea - better than congregating in ghettos which breed racism and crime don't you think? Better than keeping divided and thinking your own culture is better despite coming to our country and succeeding because our culture provided you with the means to prosper in ways you could never have done so in your ancestral homelands.

Most Indians and Chinese send money to their country of origin so that's no so good for the UK and USA is it?

Anyway I am really on about completely inflexible cultures and religions (such as extreme Isalm) and the anti-white racism it breeds (and understanding a little Hindi/Urdu allows me to see how racist Indians are towards native Europeans sometimes!). I've worked in the middle east and india and found everything an uphill struggle - decisions take forever, people are rude, not punctual and generally incapable of independent thinking.

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PS: What language are we speaking now...Chinese? Sanskrit?

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Native British culture is anything English, Scots or Welsh...things like Shakespeare, Haggis, drinking tea with milk, Roast dinner, real ale, punctuality, excellent education, Charles Darwin, Isaac Newton, David Beckham, Gaelic languages, 1400 years of literature from Beowulf to Chaucer - to Keats to JRR Tolkein, The Rolling Stones, Led Zepplin, Iron Maiden, The Spice Girls, Portishead, James Bond, The Balti Curry, The Scientific Method, and thousands of artists, writers, poets, inventors, scientists, statesmen and leaders...

Your comments about Americanisation (with American spelling no less!) are quite ignorant really and would be insulting but for your complete lack of understanding of what culture means.
Then enlighten me. Okay, some books, pop groups and UK celebs? Sorry, but the UK is still not that different from the US, Canada, etc. Britons like you complain about losing your culture, but you don't seem to mind Americanization.

Yes assimilation is a fantastic idea - better than congregating in ghettos which breed racism and crime don't you think? Better than keeping divided and thinking your own culture is better despite coming to our country and succeeding because our culture provided you with the means to prosper in ways you could never have done so in your ancestral homelands.
And how this quote above apply to Indians again?

Most Indians and Chinese send money to their country of origin so that's no so good for the UK and USA is it?
So, what's wrong with sending some extra money? The US and UK still benefit from their presence. And it's not like Indians and Chinese send every single penny they don't use back to Asia.

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Neha_Dhupia:
"Then enlighten me. Okay, some books, pop groups and UK celebs? Sorry, but the UK is still not that different from the US, Canada, etc. Britons like you complain about losing your culture, but you don't seem to mind Americanization. []"

Enlighten you? Aside from lists of examples of British culture? Are you reading selectively?

Of course UK culture is not so different from US and Canadian culture (but different enough to be distinct for sure) - both those countries were British colonies and were settled by large amounts of British immigrants (or invaders!)...these countries are our cousins and brothers...there culture is not alien to us, and the differences are mostly minor.

You seem to be part of the popular anti-American movement. And you seem to think American culture is such a bad thing (they have freedoms you cannot even imagine and more money than everyone else hehe). Personally I see them as our closest friends in the world - we have fought and died together to defend the free world from tyranny many times last century.

"And how this quote above apply to Indians again?"

Read my comments on Hindu Indians in the other posts and stop being so subjective. You sound like you are justifying Indian's presence in the UK - are you worried one day you might get asked to leave and go back to India? I doubt that will happen and it would be rather silly since the "problem" immigrant groups are mostly Muslims not Hindus...Hindus are mostly law abiding people who have integrated very well.

"So, what's wrong with sending some extra money? The US and UK still benefit from their presence. And it's not like Indians and Chinese send every single penny they don't use back to Asia."

What are the benefits exactly? Are we richer and better off? Is there less crime? Don't get me wrong I am not part of the "deport everyone" crowd...but I am not afraid to ask questions that no one else will ask because they are too politically correct.

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Enlighten you? Aside from lists of examples of British culture? Are you reading selectively?
And I already asked that's all?

You seem to be part of the popular anti-American movement. And you seem to think American culture is such a bad thing
How am I being anti-American? I'm the one who was saying that western culture essentially revolves around the US. When I say something like that on other parts of this site, I'm usually accused of being delusional and arrogant, but this time I'm anti-American? lol

Of course UK culture is not so different from US and Canadian culture (but different enough to be distinct for sure) - both those countries were British colonies and were settled by large amounts of British immigrants (or invaders!)...these countries are our cousins and brothers...there culture is not alien to us, and the differences are mostly minor.
That's what I've been trying to say from the beginning; Britain does not have some special "native culture" that some of the other posters are trying to make it out to have. It's culture is Western and it is Americanized. All countries are becoming Americanized, but the English speaking ones are obviously got there more quickly. Except I don't hear much of that "we're losing our native culture" thing from Americans and Canadians because of immigrants.

What are the benefits exactly? Are we richer and better off? Is there less crime? Don't get me wrong I am not part of the "deport everyone" crowd...but I am not afraid to ask questions that no one else will ask because they are too politically correct.
I can't speak for your country, but Asian Americans do contribute disproportionately to the American economy and are the ones who have the highest employment levels and lowest crime rates.

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I agree in some ways.
I DO think that if somebody doesn't wish to be included in Western Culture then they shouldn't come and live in the Western world. I also believe that in many Asian countries, Westerners are percieved as liberal, alcoholic, sleeping-around.. etc. and fair enough if they don't want to be part of that! But they shouldn't tar everyone with the same stick! Not EVERYONE here is like that, and this assumption leads to racism and ignorance.

FOR YOUR INFORMATION: The above poster says that "Britian doesn't have some special culture.. it's westernized and americanized". I disagree. I live in Scotland and I definitely have my own culture. I reject American ideals and Western "freedoms". I prefer tradition, and for this reason many of my friends are actually immigrants who also don't want to become your stereotypical englishman.. it's not because they don't want to mix with white kids, it's because they don't want to become americanized as you english so clearly wish to become.

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What are you all talking about?
The problem with immigrants is not them wanting to retain their culture, it's when they come over and try to get US/UK/wherever to change to suit them.

No one is saying they can't speak their native language in their own home, listen to Indian music, cook Indian food, not be a Christian etc. Half of the people in Britain are eating currys and are not religious.

The problem with immigrants is when they are rude, like talking in their own language right in front of you, wanting to live here but not bothering to learn English, wanting rules changed because of their minority religion, constantly slagging off OUR culture, all the while, leeching off us and sending money out to their 40 family members that still live abroad.

WTF

It's true that they are mostly using the UK/USA. They want the benefits. Fine. People from 'rich' countries move about for benefits too. UK to the USA for example. But they generally follow their way of life, or keep their own but do it quietly. People shouldn't be allowed to come over, get all the benefits, but disrupt the country and try to turn said country into the one they just left. That makes no sense. You weigh it up, and do you want to be comfortable and immersed in Indian things in India. Or do you want to live in the Western way and have money..or...a bigger house..or WTF it is you came over for ??? but give up your old way of life.

Choose.

That's the way it's supposed to work.

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There is a simple solution if you folks don't want immigrants, and all there associated "problems"...

STOP overdosing on birth control and have some damn children. Westerners are always crying about how immigrants screw things up in their country. The fact is if most western countries didn't have immmigrants, then their economies would have collapsed years ago. Negative growth due to an aging and decreasing population. Immigration offsets that trend.

However people are too used to having a good life and dumped religion in the process. Having families these days is a burden and people barely manage to have 1 or 2 children.

Immigrants are always going to maintain some form of their previous culture and propagate in a new country. That's what generations of immigrants did in the U.S.

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What are you all talking about?
The problem with immigrants is not them wanting to retain their culture, it's when they come over and try to get US/UK/wherever to change to suit them.

No one is saying they can't speak their native language in their own home, listen to Indian music, cook Indian food, not be a Christian etc. Half of the people in Britain are eating currys and are not religious.

The problem with immigrants is when they are rude, like talking in their own language right in front of you, wanting to live here but not bothering to learn English, wanting rules changed because of their minority religion, constantly slagging off OUR culture, all the while, leeching off us and sending money out to their 40 family members that still live abroad.

WTF

It's true that they are mostly using the UK/USA. They want the benefits. Fine. People from 'rich' countries move about for benefits too. UK to the USA for example. But they generally follow their way of life, or keep their own but do it quietly. People shouldn't be allowed to come over, get all the benefits, but disrupt the country and try to turn said country into the one they just left. That makes no sense. You weigh it up, and do you want to be comfortable and immersed in Indian things in India. Or do you want to live in the Western way and have money..or...a bigger house..or WTF it is you came over for ??? but give up your old way of life.

Choose.

That's the way it's supposed to work.
What are YOU talking about? What on earth does your rant have to do with Indians?

You complained about immigrants trying to change UK/US culture and laws to their liking, but I've yet to hear about Indians trying to do that. In fact, that's ridiculous. Indian immigrants tend to be quiet and cooperative. You also complained about immigrants not bothering to learn English, but Indian immigrants are known for being educated and speaking a decent amount of English. And what's wrong with speaking your native language in front of you? Xenophobic much?

I think you're confusing Muslim Pakistanis and Bangladeshis with Indians. I know Britons have a bad habit of categorizing all South Asians together and then targeting Indians for their issues in the UK.

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Norm (name suits you man) let me break it down to you, England is a free country. People are allowed to do what they want providing they are not breaking the law. If people dont want to mix it is their choice but also their loss. That was what the film BILB was trying to show but your race obsessed mind failed to pick that up.
Not all Indians (who you seemed to think were all muslims before being corrected) are the same, not all white people are the same etc. If you try and force people to be like you because you do not like their (legal) beliefs then they will do the same back to you. And where will that leave everyone?

Stop me if Im going too fast for you.

PS: You travelled the world and all you have learned is some swear words?
Well, that was time and a life well spent.

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And the reason they have a better life is directly due to them being in a more progressive, open and tolerant culture than there own.

A lot of the countries that migrants usually come from are also generally progressive, open and tolerant societies, whether it's India, Bangladesh, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. That's not the main reason they migrate, but the main reasons they migrate are usually economic, e.g. better work opportunities, higher currency wages, free healthcare, etc.

The Sub-Continent is getting richer so are all the Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis getting ready to leave the UK then?

Let's get a few facts straight here. Britain ruled India (including modern Pakistan and Bangladesh) for almost two centuries, relied heavily on Indian wealth & resources to fuel its Industrial Revolution while de-industrializing much of India in the process, caused wars and famines that led to millions of Indian deaths, enslaved millions of Indians into indentured servitude for plantation labour across the empire, relied on millions of Indian soldiers to fight for them in both World Wars and other conflicts, caused a Bengal famine where millions died in order to feed Britain during World War II, and then after the war, relied heavily on cheap Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi labour to rebuild the economy and staff the NHS system. Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis have contributed hugely to, and made enormous sacrifices for, the making of modern Britain, so it's ridiculous of you to suggest that they should just pack their bags and leave.

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Your too sensitive and I hate the *ignorant* rebuttal line. We are all *ignorant* when we are asking questions. He was only asking an honest question.

But be honest OP, Desi families aren't the only ones who want their children to marry within their particular ethnicity/culture. In America Italians and Greeks and other recently arrived immigrant peoples were like that way into the 70's & 80's. It is part of the immigrant experience. Myself, I'd marry a European or American man if we were both in love and he converted to Islam.

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I think it's a bit sad how immigrants say that UK has no native culture. Those who say it are in denial, but are politically correct of course. Nope, no such thing as English culture, though it was spread worldwide...nope, no such thing as Scottish culture or definitely Welsh culture...not even that funny N. Irish kind where they deny being Irish. Nope. None of that exists. In fact, all those native Britons were just waiting for non-Britons to arrive, especially brown ones from India, to show them how to act civilized & how to form their own successful societies with rich histories.

As The Kinks said 'There's no England anymore...'

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I think it's a bit sad how immigrants say that UK has no native culture. Those who say it are in denial, but are politically correct of course. Nope, no such thing as English culture, though it was spread worldwide...nope, no such thing as Scottish culture or definitely Welsh culture...not even that funny N. Irish kind where they deny being Irish. Nope. None of that exists. In fact, all those native Britons were just waiting for non-Britons to arrive, especially brown ones from India, to show them how to act civilized & how to form their own successful societies with rich histories.

As The Kinks said 'There's no England anymore...'
And what exactly is this English culture that's been spread worldwide? There's law, but what else? The English language? Sorry, but most English speakers in the world speak English as a second language thanks to modern American influence, not Britain's.

BTW, I don't know how political correctness came up. If anything, everything I said is NOT politically correct.

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This is old, but you're basically saying that Britain has no culture. I bet you're saying this because it's mainly a white country. I doubt you would say it about a non-white culture.


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Wow, this thread is proof that prejudice definitely exists.

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Hey, the UK doesn't have its own culture? Bull! What a load of bull! The UK (and Ireland for that matter) has rich history dating back thousands of years. And it IS different from Canadian culture, American culture, Australian culture, New Zealand culture, even white South African culture. Sure, we are living in a globalised world, but each 'Anglo' country, no matter how much we like to generalise and say it's all the same, has its own unique heritage.

Maybe you can call me racist, but I'm an Australian-born Indian and I agree with Norm on this one; seeing migrants coming to Western countries to enjoy a better life and reaping the benefits but completely isolating themselves from the mainstream culture and in some cases blatantly disrespecting it makes me sick to my stomach. If you come to a new country in the hope of individual/family gain, you can't just get away with contributing economically; there are certain social responsibilities such as integration which fall to any and every migrant.

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I wish more people were like you, Ginger.

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Hey, the UK doesn't have its own culture? Bull! What a load of bull! The UK (and Ireland for that matter) has rich history dating back thousands of years. And it IS different from Canadian culture, American culture, Australian culture, New Zealand culture, even white South African culture. Sure, we are living in a globalised world, but each 'Anglo' country, no matter how much we like to generalise and say it's all the same, has its own unique heritage.
Okay, you've given six or so lines telling me that I'm wrong, but like the others, not saying how. Your response has NOT countered anything I said. Rich history does not equate to modern day culture and minor differences does not make anything "unique". You're right about living in a globalized world, or rather an Americanized one (I've noticed that non-Americans like you want to play this down), but many people still retain culture even through Americanization.

Maybe you can call me racist, but I'm an Australian-born Indian and I agree with Norm on this one; seeing migrants coming to Western countries to enjoy a better life and reaping the benefits but completely isolating themselves from the mainstream culture and in some cases blatantly disrespecting it makes me sick to my stomach. If you come to a new country in the hope of individual/family gain, you can't just get away with contributing economically; there are certain social responsibilities such as integration which fall to any and every migrant.
First, like I've already asked before, what does this have to do with Indians? And why is it a "social responsibility" to completely integrate anyway? This seems to be an issue mostly with the UK and Australia (and less of an American one) where the mainstream Anglos have an issue with immigrants not abandoning anything native to them. Apparently it's okay if we don't look the same because we can't control that, but dressing differently, speaking a language other than English, eating native foods is completely unacceptable. And you sound like you're so desperate to please them and get be approved and accepted.

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97.9% white kids???!

no wayyyy... theres millions of asians and blacks in the UK so how can there be so many white ppl in Britain

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Look the film was clearly too complicated for you so stop hurting yourself.

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Great. This board is a magnet both for BNP racists and malay racists. I guess like minds think alike!


You know Daneel...I never thought I'd actually be agreeing with you.

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Uhuh? and how do they not assimilate in Malaysia Sarah? They speak bahasa, pay taxes, obey the laws and vote. So how is that not assimilation?

You see, you want them to be muslim and live by your religion's laws, but Malaysia is a democracy and your constitution protects the rights of the individual over religion.

In the Uk, Indians assimilate fine, but by your reasoning then, all the Arabs and Pakistanis in the UK should loose their faith, drink beer and eat roast pork.

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i agree with OP. indians are too preservant of their culture. i think its a backward mentality inherited from their village. im from Malaysia where there are a HUGE indian diaspora over here. most of them refuse to assimilate with the Malay majority.
LOL @ a Malayasian talking about a "backwards mentality". This is the country notorious for its xenophobia (except towards whites of course) and just banned yoga.

I agree with the other poster. Indians preserving culture and not assimilating is an issue because Indians are preserving their non-Muslim culture and that's clearly an issue for bigoted Malays.

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First, like I've already asked before, what does this have to do with Indians? And why is it a "social responsibility" to completely integrate anyway? This seems to be an issue mostly with the UK and Australia (and less of an American one) where the mainstream Anglos have an issue with immigrants not abandoning anything native to them. Apparently it's okay if we don't look the same because we can't control that, but dressing differently, speaking a language other than English, eating native foods is completely unacceptable. And you sound like you're so desperate to please them and get be approved and accepted.

Who said anything about completeintegration? I said integrate. That's it. To me, integration means learning the local language (obviously if you're in an older age group that can be difficult, especially if you're illiterate in your own language, but its not wrong to expect an effort) and understand the culture and the way people interact with each other. THAT is a social responsibility of ANY member of a social group, to make an effort
And what on earth would you know about Australian migration issues? I take it you've never been here, or you would have said so to back up your point. I personally wouldn't know about the UK either (3 days in London is hardly enough to judge).
As for "dressing differently, speaking a language other than English, eating native foods being completely unacceptable" I never said that either, did I? Generally speaking, South Asians in Australia integrate fairly well, mostly because they have the advantage of (in most cases) speaking the language. But NOWHERE did I say ANYTHING about abandoning all cultural heritage. I didn't say that. I don't care if people walk down the streets in salwar-kameez, nor would I care if I saw people walking down the streets in, say, a kimono, or a qurta, or a hijab. Everyone has the right to maintain their cultural heritage.
I'm going to try and make this very clear: the problem arises when migrants take all the benefits that Developed and Democratic Country X has to offer them and do not make an effort to fit in, and to offer something BACK to the community of which they are now a part THAT is what I cannot respect. It's just common human courtesy. If I go to a country on holiday that doesn't speak English or Hindi or Spanish (they're the only languages I'm familiar with) then I'll make a genuine attempt to speak the native language and understand the customs so I don't inadvertently offend or inconvenience anyone. Nor do I make comments about how Country X has no culture or history or whatever because my own is so much better. How is having that expectation of other people 'racism'? Is making an effort to understand your new country of residence too much to ask? Is it impossible to do that and maintain your own cultural heritage to your satisfaction? I don't think so.
As for your last comment... the fact that you refer to people who aren't like me (i.e not ethnically Indian) as 'them' tells me a lot more about your attitude than the rest of your posts.

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Who said anything about completeintegration? I said integrate. That's it. To me, integration means learning the local language (obviously if you're in an older age group that can be difficult, especially if you're illiterate in your own language, but its not wrong to expect an effort) and understand the culture and the way people interact with each other. THAT is a social responsibility of ANY member of a social group, to make an effort
And what on earth would you know about Australian migration issues? I take it you've never been here, or you would have said so to back up your point. I personally wouldn't know about the UK either (3 days in London is hardly enough to judge).
As for "dressing differently, speaking a language other than English, eating native foods being completely unacceptable" I never said that either, did I? Generally speaking, South Asians in Australia integrate fairly well, mostly because they have the advantage of (in most cases) speaking the language. But NOWHERE did I say ANYTHING about abandoning all cultural heritage. I didn't say that. I don't care if people walk down the streets in salwar-kameez, nor would I care if I saw people walking down the streets in, say, a kimono, or a qurta, or a hijab. Everyone has the right to maintain their cultural heritage.
Then why exactly are you complaining about? You made a rant in a previous post whining about Indians not integrating, but then you acknowledge that South Asians integrate well (actually it's Indians who usually integrate well rather than other South Asians).

I'm going to try and make this very clear: the problem arises when migrants take all the benefits that Developed and Democratic Country X has to offer them and do not make an effort to fit in, and to offer something BACK to the community of which they are now a part THAT is what I cannot respect. It's just common human courtesy.
And again, what does that with Indians?

If I go to a country on holiday that doesn't speak English or Hindi or Spanish (they're the only languages I'm familiar with) then I'll make a genuine attempt to speak the native language and understand the customs so I don't inadvertently offend or inconvenience anyone.
That's great, but unfortunately many of your fellow Australians and people from other Anglo countries don't have that same attitude. Tourists from English-speaking countries are always the least likely to make an effort to speak the native language while vacationing and even expect people to speak English to them. It's the same with Westerners living and working in Asian countries. Have you ever met one while visting? Isn't that a bit hypocritical considering the subject of the OP's post?

Nor do I make comments about how Country X has no culture or history or whatever because my own is so much better.
I don't recall saying any country had no history or that any country is better, but I did make comments about lack of culture and Americanization. I mean "mack"? lol

As for your last comment... the fact that you refer to people who aren't like me (i.e not ethnically Indian) as 'them' tells me a lot more about your attitude than the rest of your post.
And what exactly does it say? That we're ethnically Indian and they're not? Oh wow, so offensive. This might be a rude awakening for you, but it's true... and it's exactly how many people refer to you.

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Yep, OP is a racist alright. Knew it.

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