Did Bundy deserve the death penalty?
i'm in two minds about this... i just dunno...i just think underneath, he may have been a good guy.
sharei'm in two minds about this... i just dunno...i just think underneath, he may have been a good guy.
shareI am not a serial killer fantasizer and I certainly don't have a crush on Ted Bundy, but seriously.
He could have been a good guy underneath. You guys know NOTHING about him except what the close-minded media has chosen to tell you. So shut up and stop making assumptions.
We don't know what Ted Bundy would do. We don't know if he would hit us with crowbars if we wrote him a letter and he found us or some *beep*
Honestly. I'm a cynic myself, but not everyone's actions can define who someone //really// is.
Personally I don't give a *&%$&* if he was a "good guy" underneath. Everyone has good traits about them, regardless of the decisions we make. But I don't think many people are really worried about what kind of guy he was underneath they care about what he did and that defiently overrules the other side of him we don't see because of what the media shows us. Regardless of who he really was, he still killed alot of innocent women and caused their families a great deal of pain. Now I think alot of can agree that he couldn't have been that great of guy underneath. It's not like he made one mistake, by killing one person. He killed ALOT of people, and he knew full well what he was doing so yeah I dont need the media to help me to make my judgements about him it's quite obvious if you ask me. I don't care what he would do, I care about what he DID.
shareNobody deserves to die. And no country has the right to "justify" murder by calling it an "execution".
shareno, he didn't deserve the death penalty. one, because it costs tax payers millions of dollars (assuming they, the criminal, have exhausted all appeals) to execute them versus the $50,000 a year to keep them behind bars. and two, i think the sick bastard got the easy way out. they should've locked him up, thrown away the key and let his ass rot in prison so he could be reminded every day about what he's done.
sharei am not a big fan of the death penalty,i think its up to everyones conscience wat should have happened to him.however wats done is done and personally i have to say -"thank god he is gone"
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I can, but the administrator would probably delete my message. I'm very much in favour of the death penalty for serial killers, but I recently read about the conditions that Gary Leon Ridgway (the Green River Killer) is being kept in. Apparently he's in isolation at the Walla Walla State Prison in Washington. He stays locked in a bare cell 23 hours a day in the intensive management unit and is allowed one hour's exercise a day in a tiny concrete yard. So, I don't know, maybe that IS worse. Spending all that time alone, with nothing else to think about, it makes you wonder if the faces of his victims come back to haunt him when the lights go out, doesn't it?
"That, - Captain Bligh, - that is the thing; - I am in hell, sir - I am in hell."
he...raped a twelve year's old child.... he slit her throat and left her to rot, that and about 40 other women
i dont think he is a good guy he deserve his fate many times over
Hell ya h e deserved, and I hope it hurt like hell!
shareThe death penalty was too good for this scumbag. The government should have reverted to medieval torture instead. Cutting off his eyelids so he couldn't blink. Flaying (skinning him) alive then placing his skinned body in a tub of scalding hot water. After that they could hire a few thugs to beat the living snot out of him. I think torture of that nature would have suited him.
sharehe definitely should have never been released but i'm against the death penalty. even though i'm sure he's guilty, we probably could have learned a lot about the mind of a serial killer by talking to him, studying him, and seeing if he could have been rehabilitated.
share"we probably could have learned a lot about the mind of a serial killer by talking to him, studying him, and seeing if he could have been rehabilitated."
People like to say these things but it just isnt true. Ted, like most serial killers, is not nearly as complicated as he might seem and at times it appears that even he didnt "know" why he did what he did.
He looks complex because of his vicious acts, and we see ourselves as being so far removed from someone like that, we tend to view them as aliens, or subhuman.
Some people like to read. Some people like to excercise. Some people just like spending time with their g/f or b/f. Some people have a few drinks and then they like to dance. Or they get up and sing kareoke.
Ted liked to dominate, scare and hurt women in the worst possible way. When he drank, he put on his dark clothes, and went 'trolling' for bodies.
That's it. He was a sociopath who viewed people as objects. They served their purpose for him, and when he was finished, he discarded them. The actual murders were really just the 'final solution' to his raping and domination.
The bottom line is this. We learned all we could about Ted by the time he was executed. Could he have helped us 'prevent' future serial killers? I dont think so. Serial killers dont play along with the rest of society. They live in their own world, and that world manifests itself when they are children.
If you want to prevent serial killings, then be good parents. Dont bring a child into this world unless you are fully prepared to spend the next 18 years being totally devoted, spiritually and financially, to your child.
Pay attention to what they do, say, watch and listen to.
And if your son goes on to become a serial killer, I will volunteer to pull the switch to execute his ass to hell. :-)
You say there was nothing complex to him but if you read about him and his child hood and the way he grew up (thinking his mother was his sister and his own should have been granfather being his father)you have to give understanding to him. Many people say that being a serial killer is a condition that they physically can't stop there urges and i believe that is true. So its not like reading or whatever reading isnt an impulse that someone has to do, and if you look at many of them they want to be caught (im not saying bundy did because i know he escaped). Also if you look at the interview he did right before he died he does show remorse. I do not believe Bundy deserved to die. We could have learnt alot from him and fortunately we still can thanks to interview he gave. and what would you say if it was YOUR son who became a serial killer?? you'd want us to 'execute his ass to hell' i don't think so.
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"what would you say if it was YOUR son who became a serial killer?? you'd want us to 'execute his ass to hell?"
Fair question. One that I have thought long and hard about. The answer is that it wouldnt make any difference. I would not put my personal relationships between what I feel is justice. What I 'want' is not the issue. If my son were a serial killer, I would not change my stance on the death penalty.
As for Ted's last (self-serving) interview, I dont believe that is true remorse. He was still blaming alchohol and porn, and he still refused to talk about some of the girls that he mutilated. I dont believe he has ever been sorry a day in his life.
How can he be? "Gee Kimberly, I know you;re only 12 years old and you are just starting to live your life, and I'm REALLY REALLY sorry, but you have to understand, I have this uncontrollable urge to have to rape you and slice your neck from ear to ear..."
Sorry, but the remorse you are seeing in those interviews is only that he is sorry that he is going to die and there is nothing he can do about it. Remember what he was saying. He couldnt talk about Georgeanne or Kimberly because he needed "time...to put all the thoughts together..."
Bull. He was afraid to die. Nothing more.
The whole bit about his mother/sister - grandfather/father is not set in stone. He told some people one story, and other people another story.
But here is the question: What could we have learned from Ted if he lived? Why he killed? We know why. How he got that way? It wasnt porn or alchohol.
I totally agree man. I dont think any man should be alowed to kill, aside from protection of himself or others. Some would argue that the death penalty is implemented to protect others but this is not true. It is implemented so people have the pleasure of seeing someone die. isnt that one of the reasons he did what he did, or at least one of the reasons serial killers kill? Doesnt that lower us to their level? The only punishment i see fit for this man (or any man or women who thinks he/she can kill for no reason or any reason aside from self defence)is in a dark concrete cell tied to a bed with no mattress so they cant kill themeselves.
shareApart from the mortifying inaccuracy and unreliability of the death penalty, my main objection to it is that it places the pressure of taking someone's life on the guards...I know they choose the job, but still, it seems unfair on them. If anything, it should be automated to some extent.
As for Bundy...I agree he was a freakin' madman, but that's kinda why he SHOULDN'T have been killed. He should have been found innocent by reason of insanity.
Be alert. The world needs more lerts.share
"Apart from the mortifying inaccuracy and unreliability of the death penalty, my main objection to it is that it places the pressure of taking someone's life on the guards...I know they choose the job, but still, it seems unfair on them. If anything, it should be automated to some extent.
As for Bundy...I agree he was a freakin' madman, but that's kinda why he SHOULDN'T have been killed. He should have been found innocent by reason of insanity.
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He wasnt insane.
And I would volunteer to hit the switch if I could.
You "just think underneath, he may have been a good guy"? Oh my God! This is where the interface between a murderer and the movies ends up: people actually believe that Bundy is a handsome celebrity, misunderstood, sweet guy. Bundy was a cold and calculating psychopath, he even admitted this to a detective on his case when he told him, "You won't find anyone who is such a cold hearted bastard such as me." Did he deserve the death panalty? In terms of morality, as a Brit, no, I don't believe an eye for an eye. Also it does not lower the incidence of serial killings. Was he a good guy underneath? Sure, everyone, including Bundy, as redemming qualities. But to the bitter end he refused to name all of his victims and the whereabouts of their bodies. He played with the police trying to get them to overturn his death sentence. He only shed tears at the end for himself, his own loss of life. He was allowed to marry on Death Row, and had a baby daughter (now an adult.) He therefore was able to complete certain rites of passage that he denied to his very young victims (his final victim being a mere 12 years old.) I hope this answers some of your questions about him. More importantly, movies that depict brutal serial killers and rapists do not portray them in a sufficient enough darkness. This is why I prefer to gain my information from investigative crime journalists.
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I dont think that any serial killer shoudl get the death penalty, they need to be studied, spree killers or gang leaders should be killed not the toughtout, planned, beautifully choreagraphed(in most cases) serial murderer. Like Ed Kemper, hes still alive and we still have stuff we can learn from him. I jsut have a hard time saying that someone so unique and knowlegable should be killed.
share - dylankennedy ......''beautifully choreagraphed''
dont think that any serial killer shoudl get the death penalty, they need to be studied, spree killers or gang leaders should be killed not the toughtout, planned, beautifully choreagraphed(in most cases) serial murderer. Like Ed Kemper, hes still alive and we still have stuff we can learn from him. I jsut have a hard time saying that someone so unique and knowlegable should be killed.
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I suddenly feeeeel very uncomfortable...
that just sounds weird in its self...
haha thanks, did kind of come out strange but you got what I meant :D.
shareyeahh.. I did..
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im all up for the death penalty they should bring it here in england. what gives people the right to killing another human being, as well as destroying their family. actually, death is an easy way out. i say torture. bring back the stretch-rack!!!
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