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Your problems with this film. Seriously.


I'm starting this topic just to know what you guys think about this movie in terms of its flaws because honestly I don't see that many.

I'm just curious because for me it will go down as either one of the most underrated movies ever, or one of the best 'unknown' movies ever. A lot of people seem to ignore this movie either they never heard of it or because they think it's not that great a I want to know why! Personally I think it's one of the most 'complete' movie I've ever seen: from it's script, pace, cinematography, performances (top 5 all time from Hanks, Newman and Jude Law) and score.

Let me know what you think
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It's certainly underrated. The only problems I had were the diner scene (mentioned above), the scene where Sullivan kills Newman's character and his henchmen, coming out completely unscathed himself (though one could argue the cover of dark protected him) and the fact that Sullivan could go around killing poeple in literally every town without law enforcement ever getting involved. However, all this didn't stop me from enjoying the film's many virtues, which far outweigh its flaws.

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Honestly, upon seeing this movie, I saw nothing but flaws. It was hammy as all hell, the most clichéd writing I've sat through in a long time, and every turn in the movie was excruciatingly predictable.

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As an unproduced screenwriter, I can't tell you how impressed I am with the minimal-dialog script, which avoids most of the dialog clichés you'd expect in such a film. Hammy? You're kidding, aren't you?

As for predictability... Most films have predictable endings. The important thing is how you arrive there. This one does a pretty good job of holding one's attention.

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Since you asked, the big drawback for me is that we are supposed to feel for young Mikey, but every single thing in the movie is his own fault. Sorry, but I wanted to see that kid punished, not coddled. Sneaking into the car, not shooting Jude Law when he had the chance, bringing dice to the funeral when dad strictly told him not to...etc.

Tom Hanks was a murderous mafia thug, but we loved him and cared for his character. That proves that no matter how "bad" a character is, the audience can still root for him. But the kid was beyond "bad." He was stupid and selfish and caused problems for everyone else.

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Chet, you missed an important detail. His younger brother asked him, while they were in bed the evening of the wake, what was it their father did for a living. Michael answered him but you could tell he wasn't really sure. The next day when he gets home he pointedly looks at the garage and then later he hides in the car.

Another thing you may have missed is that Michael desperately wanted the approval of his father. He sees his dad give so much affection to his younger brother and he feels left out. Also, Michael is a little boy, it wouldn't be so easy for a child so young to pull the trigger and kill someone. I think they want you to see Michael as a good boy. Someone who wouldn't ever grow up to be what his father is. Not a killer.

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Great cinematography, great score, etc. I liked the movie, but I thought the second half was less good. Personally I thought the story became less and less interesting. Also, I think Michael's voice-over was cliche. The film should have been more subtle in many spots and the dialogue concerning the father-son relationship was one of those parts. I usually am not one to label things pretentious (Mulholland Drive and Synecdoche New York are two of my favorite films) but that's the word I found myself thinking a lot.

I also would have liked to see less attempt at closure. I would've liked the credits to appear after the assassin/photographer took the picture (or perhaps even before), and have Mendes leave Michael Jr. playing outside to contrast with the murder.

Just my opinion. Good movie overall though.

I'm going to find it and I'm going to destroy it. I don't know how yet. Possibly with dynamite.

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David Selfs script is mediocre at best....some great lines but the structure and chain of events is too mechanical or predictable...and many who analyze movies hard,pick them apart react to this and I sort of get it.

The film is so beyond awesome on its technical aspects,production design,sound,score,editing and that breathtaking cinematography...it looks so good that ironically AT TIMES it draws focus from the story. I think Law,Newman and Craig are superb...Hanks might be a bit mistcast. I mean,its the"darkest" role of his career and he turns this coldblooded killer into a saint by mostly being Tom Hanks,even though at times he finds nuance in the character.

I think its a really good film that falls just shy of greatness. Mendes deserved a nom for directing and Law for supporting....it could be longer though....and how could old Rooney be THAT easy to whipe out? Appearently,a dozen henchman with guns stand no chance against one man with a tommy gun.

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Not a flawed film at all but its story and characters weren't all that memorable or original to me (something I have with most of Mendes' films), just a tad underwhelming.

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I concur with your opinion.

I've watched 4 out of Mendes' 7 films, and I found this to be the worst so far (even worse than Skyfall - I haven't seen Spectre yet).

I have to admit cinematography, scenarios, editing, sound, directing, cast... it's all top notch. But the story is terrible.

This could have been a great movie if it was released decades ago, back on a time when we didn't have so many great screenwriters. But why should I care about these characters and their problems? I think Hanks is one of the greatest actors ever, yet not even he was able to make this movie interesting. He saved some average movies before, but not this time.

I loved American Beauty and its unpredictable story (9/10), and Jarhead was good enough to keep 100% of my attention (8/10). Skyfall was just another well-funded Bond movie (5/10), and I'm not expecting much more from Spectre. But I'm really not looking forward for Mendes' other movies, which I'll watch anyway to have an informed opinion.

What is the point of being able to shoot wonderful movies, when the story itself isn't interesting? I don't know the answer, but maybe Mendes should ask Wes Anderson - another guy with great taste for the technical part of cinema, but who unfortunately tends to jump on the wagon of average stories.

They should take some lessons from the Coen brothers or Terry Gilliam - those guys know how to choose a good screenplay.

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The Coens have their fair share of misfires too. Burn After Reading or Hail Caesar barely classify as stories to me. But I actually really liked Skyfall (8/10) (people blame action movies for not being dramas far too often), Judi Dench and Javier Bardem saved that film plot wise. An action film with perfectly executed action should always at least be a 6 if you ask me. At the same time, I thought American Beauty (7/10) was a bit disappointing with some of the most by the numbers social commentary I've ever seen. It wasn't predictable, but it just underwhelmed me.

I'd also disagree that Anderson has average stories. Grand Budapest Hotel and Moonrise Kingdom are unique and charming in their own way, there's no need for huge dramatic storylines.

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When I wrote my comment last month I had not seen Grand Budapest Hotel. I just did and I loved it (9/10), almost perfect score. Moonrise Kingdom was his worst movie for me, though.

I agree with you Bardem was great on Skyfall - he was scary good, then again, he almost always is. The problem I had with it was that I think it was unnecessarily stretched. It seems like they wanted to make the movie more "epic" or relevant than it should.

I was looking forward to see Hail Caesar, but now that you've put it in the same category of Burn After Reading, I feel a bit less enthusiastic.

Like I said, there are many good scripts being written nowadays, so perhaps I'm being a little bit unfair with movies that fail to amaze me at every second, even more unfair when I'm watching older movies. I try to judge by comparison with other contemporary movies, but still my taste has been inevitably influenced by all the newer movies I've seen.

I guess that's the definition of "standing the test of time", when it comes to cinema. Some lesser Hitchcocks might sound risibly uninteresting after half a century of good thrillers, but a movie like Dr. Strangelove will still be able to awe for generations to come.

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I found it very slow and boring. You might think that other things were great but I was not entertained by it. So for me it seemed like a bad movie. To be fair, I didn't judge it on cinematography or acting alone. Some people just like really slow movies, some don't.

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