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If Hal really loved Rosemary, he'd encourage her to lose weight


Not to make her look good, to prevent her from dying of a heart attack when she's 50.

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Maybe with her finding love, she might find the motivation within herself. Of course, her genetics will be working against her..

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Genetics? She eats too much and exercises too little. "Genetics" is an excuse to relieve her of responsibility and make her feel okay about being fat.

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Nope, can’t lose weight. Bad genetics. Why bother trying?

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Genetics? She eats too much and exercises too little. "Genetics" is an excuse to relieve her of responsibility and make her feel okay about being fat.


Her caloric intake greatly exceeds her expenditures - no one could argue that. But there's a bit more to the story as well. Here's an example from my personal experience:

My grandfather ate like a horse. Every day. Three times a day. The amount of food he ate was legendary, and other than working a typical factory job, was thin as a rail until he died.

I am a fat man by genetics (my mother's side runs heavy). I'm a bit over 6' and weigh 185 pounds. I used to be 50 pounds heavier in high school. Now you might be saying "that's great", and it is. I *work* every day at maintaining my weight. People often remark how athletic I am at my age and say I am "lucky". I'm 62 and work out both with weights and cardio. I intermittently fast. I am careful about everything I eat, and I'm hanging in there. I am often hungry when I finish dinner. Yesterday morning I met friends for breakfast, and I splurged: I had a three egg cheese omelette, but I had whole wheat toast ordered dry and subbed a fruit cup for the home fries.

I wish I could eat more without putting on weight, but I did not inherit my grandfather's genetics.

My older brother watches what he eats like I do - he touches almost zero sugar including bread and past which he and I both love.

My younger brother is very similar to me and has weighed over 300lbs and he's 5'10. Right now, he's trying to get below 200lbs so they can do reconstruction surgery on him this summer.

The point is that some people are naturally thin and others need to watch what they eat. This is not to say that all morbidly obese people have no option: they certainly do. But if I ate as much as my friends do, I'd be 400 lbs.

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Yes, some people might be more genetically predisposed to not having chiseled muscular athletic physiques, but weight is caused by calories-in/calories-out. This includes calories you put into your body versus the amount of calories you burn in a day through physical exercise and living life. People who are obese don't have "bad genetics", they just eat far more than they burn.

In your example of "three egg cheese omelette, but I had whole wheat toast ordered dry and subbed a fruit cup for the home fries", you probably ate around 1000-1200 calories, which is a lot for one meal. I'm willing to btet you don't burn enough in your cardio. It is scientifically impossible to be 300 lb and not eat. To be 300 lb, you actually have to work extra hard to eat a consistent amount of high calories.

It's hard work, no doubt. But I've been obese and I've had a six pack. When I was obese, I ate fast food meals 4-5 times a week, ate at a local Chinese buffet typically once a week, smothered everything in oil and ranch dressing, I drank tones of alcohol, had at least two Monsters a day, went over a year without ever stepping foot into a gym, and got little cardio. Then I blamed it all on bad genes, just like you. I had no idea that one of those Monsters contained 2 daysworth of recommended sugar intake, that one fast food meal probably had 2000 calories alone, that a buffet plate had 2500 calories alone, ranch is some of the most calorically dense foods you can eat. Did you know a bottle of Jack Daniels has 1500 calories??? That shocked me.

Then I had a wakeup call and began walking everyday. I ditched fast food and blacklisted the buffet (writing this, I haven't gone to a buffet in 5 years). I began bike riding and slowly returned to the gym. I replaced Monsters with zero calory, zero sugar energy drinks like Ghost, Alani, or Bang. No alcohol, except parties. I dropped 80 lb in a year. I've had ups and downs but I've never been obese since that change, and was fit enough to compete in competitive college athletics.

It's all possible.

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In your example of "three egg cheese omelette, but I had whole wheat toast ordered dry and subbed a fruit cup for the home fries", you probably ate around 1000-1200 calories, which is a lot for one meal.


You quoted that, but left out this:
and I splurged:
. Not only did I splurge, I really splurged because I don't eat breakfast - or lunch. I have't eaten breakfast in 6 years and stopped eating lunch about a year and a half ago because my weight started sneaking up - something that happens as people start approaching 70.

It's 2 PM as I type this, and all I've had today is three cups of black coffee. I won't eat until about 5 tonight when I'll have the half of a turkey and bacon wrap I brought home from last night when we stopped after a commission meeting in our town. With that we'll have home made salad, but I will again splurge with a few store made croutons and some bagged shredded cheddar. To that I'll add maybe 2 tbs of prepared Italian dressing.

That's it. Maybe 2000 calories tops today. On the weekends or if we should go out to dinner with friends I won't poop the party and eat lawn in front of anyone. If we have pizza, I will splurge and have 3 slices and a side salad - most of my friends have 4 to 5 slices.

My point is that some people like me must watch more than others, and I was NOT excusing Rosemary's weight since this is a Shallow Hal thread. I've always said that one constant of people who die of starvation is that they are skin and bones when they die, so calories in and calories out is the primary function of weight, but we all process calories differently.

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The idea was to accept her for who she is.

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We got people Like Ashley Graham and the instagram Model Lateica Thomas who are knckouts. love doesn't need to be about weight

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you have to take into account that the two models you mentioned have drop dead gorgeous faces & against all odds, are able to retain a thinnish face despite their weight gain,
sometimes what separates a "fat" woman from still being attractive is a double chin & fat cell accumulation in her facial features

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Not every bigger woman is like how Paltrow is depicted,these movies take far with jokes and stereotypes when it comes bigger women.

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In the present day, where does Lizzo fit into all of this? pardon the pun.

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I could see Hal, wanting to be healthier, start dieting and exercising, and Rosemary, inspired, decides to do it, too. They both love each other for who they are, but they both want to be healthy, and live a long and Happy life together for their future kids, should they have/want any.

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