Is billy gay?


i was kida wondering this beacuse in the movie there is that one flirting secne with that and then the kissing a warming hands with the boy.

im kinda confused.

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Like most people have said, Billy's friend is gay, but Billy himself isn't. The film challanges the common-held belief (as shown by Billy's father and brother) that 'if you're a male ballet dancer, you must be gay'. He knows that Michael is gay, and that he has a crush on him, but he doesn't return those feelings, and the kiss is a way of showing that he sympathises with him.

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I really didn't think Billy was gay.

You might say he's gay because of the over the top reaction to that guy coming on to him in the locker room, but that's easily explainable by two things.
1) He was really pissed off about the audition. Rage -> violence.
2) He might also have been angry about *everybody* thinking he's gay just because he's a dancer. Even some bloke he doesn't know!

Other than punching that guy there's not much else I can see that would point to billy being gay.

Honestly, where the hell has innoncence gone? These days it seems like everyone is way too oversexed. Analyzing the sexuality of an 11 year old is pretty out there, I don't even know why I'm posting here.

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i seriously agree... i dnt know why IM here either. im really bored.

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What does it matter? It doesn't. One thing is for sure, he's free.

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I agree with a previous poster: everything is so sexualised and in places I personally don't think it should be, needs to be or is intended to be. The point is, his own sexuality is not what he is interested in most - he shakes off advances from Michael and Mrs Wilkinson's daughter because he's not interested in either. As for the scene where he hits the other little boy, I think there are various elements at play here. Firstly he probably feels overwrought and out of place - the other little boys have middle class or upper middle class accents, one was talking about how he's being "doing this for two years" (if I remember it correctly) when Billy came into the dressing room, so he probably feels intimidated. At the point where he slaps the other child, he believes he's messed up his chance and missed his great opportunity. I think he has just had to listen to so much flack about ballet being gay, about him being a pouf, that when the other boy tries to comfort him - in a way that is totally alien to him (just look at the way his father and brother behave) - he just lashes out. I don't think it's a sign he's gay, anti-gay or anything else.

I don't know how the rest of you were, but I guess I was about the same age as Billy at that time in the 1980s, and when I was 11 I was absolutely not interested in boys or sex - I was obsessed with the kind of things kids were at that age and boys were just something you had to shove out of the way to get to the swings first. A more innocent age perhaps, - maybe I'm just terribly naive. But it is a bit disturbing to read people's attempt to impose a sexualisation on things that just might not be there - surely you would rather err on the side of innocence or goodwill, rather than to automatically assume that a film like this has been made with a hidden agenda in order to give some old greaser his jollies?

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I like Raina's view --but I think that the ending is ambiguous, because Michael and his friend are not necessarily a couple. And how about the ballet that Billy is performing? Swan Lake --BUT NOT the traditional one --this was the modern update by Matthew Bourne; that verion had a crown prince fall in love with a male swan. The prince discovers his own gay sexual orientation. The film could've had Billy dance in any other ballet, but they chose that one. Billy was the lead swan, not the prince of the traditional ballet.


Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Bourne's_Swan_Lake#_ref-4 originally from "The History of Matthew Bourne's Swan Lake", in the programme from Matthew Bourne's Swan Lake at Sadler's Wells, London, 13 December 2006 – 21 January 2007.

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"And how about the ballet that Billy is performing? Swan Lake --BUT NOT the traditional one --this was the modern update by Matthew Bourne; that verion had a crown prince fall in love with a male swan. The prince discovers his own gay sexual orientation. The film could've had Billy dance in any other ballet, but they chose that one."

Celebritygossip6, I feel the reasoning behind this can be easily explained. Earlier in the movie, when Billy and Mrs. Wilkinson are traveling across the Transporter Bridge, they listened to and discussed Swan Lake. I believe that Swan Lake is performed in order to bring Billy's career as a dancer full circle. One must also remember that the ending performance takes place around the year 2000. During this time Mathew Bourne's rendition of the ballet was the premier one, and this explains why it is the version being performed. All in all I do not think that Billy was gay.

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So if what celebritygossip6 is saying is true, it now sounds like someone in charge is gay-agenda pushing, and I guess we as viewers will end up growing more cynical.

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Here's an interesting question - how many people here want him to be gay?

I have absolutely no problem with the prospect of a gay Billy (before I get labeled a homophobe!), but I just get the feeling that people are using whatever spurious evidence they can find in the film to explain their own reading of Billy's inclination.

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Remember when Billy was thwarting those advances from Michael and the kid at the auditions, he was only 11 years old. I am sure he wasn't sure of his sexuality at that time.

I believe the ballet company the adult Billy is dancing with is a gay ballet company, at least that's what my wife thought.

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"I believe the ballet company the adult Billy is dancing with is a gay ballet company, at least that's what my wife thought."

Martymilton . . . I really don't know what to say. Billy was dancing with the Royal Ballet, which is in no way a 'gay ballet company'.

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The confusion is merely in our head. I kept wondering this as the story started, later I didn't 'cause the film gave me more than an answer. Whether Billy is gay or not in reality, I think this film does a great job to lift this question up into an emotional and educative expression. Depicting much of Michael instead of Debbie, the film hints us to think both ways:

1.If Billy is gay, then his strength and success is the most powerful manifesto that "he is not poof", in which "poof" IMO symbolizes all the negative things straight people can reduce gay people into.

2.If he is not, his openly friendly reaction towards Michael's intimacy is the best model to show what the world should react when it comes to difference, as Billy himself was once treated negatively but did positively in return.

What made the universe made me.

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The title of this thread reminds me of a t-shirt I saw once. It said:



I'M NOT GAY
BUT MY BOYFRIEND IS




That aside, no...Billy isn't gay.


By the way, I recently traveled to London where I saw Billy Elliot, the musical.

There's a new scene in which Billy and his friend play dress-up (in women's clothing, no less!) at the other boy's home. Still, after this scene, it's clear...Billy is not gay. He's just very tolerant. I wish the world were like Billy.

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The entire subplot on Michael and Billy was just charming, and certainly not excessive. The film chooses most of the time not to delve into Billy's sexuality or sexuality for that matter. Even in Michael's case, his feelings towards Billy was presented more as a form of his romantic inclinations, instead of one associated with sexual acts. The kiss was done in such a gentle, subtle and innocuous manner, it seems so innocent and all the more sweet. And Billy's response's to it - one that does not resist, but in fact reciprocates later in the film - was most heartwarming. It all goes to show how accepting and open-hearted Billy is to people around him. It really establishes Billy as such a good-natured, mature and sensitive individual. He's really such an angel in my opinion.

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There's a possibility, though! But it's so ambigutiously made so that the viewers, who don't want any homo things spoils the film, have excuse to think others. And vice versa. So it fully depends to us!

It was rather obvious in the last scene. From so many kind of ballets - stretching from Sleeping Beauty to original Swanlake (where Billy can comfortably dance the prince's role), they choose this "uncommon" dance where the lads take the roles of swans - which is in classical ballet goes to the lasses.


But like I say, it's not what the film wants to tell us. It's what we want to think. Maybe they also want to think how many ballet male dancers are associated with gays, which is, of course, not the highest point in this film. It's about a boy with his talent tries to soar high, no matter what his sexual preference is.


bon vivant!

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Ok, you are totally over scrutinizing this film. I don't believe the hand warming scene was put in for the benefit of perverts who might happen to watch the film. Billy in the grass with his father - give me a break! It was the first time since his mother had died that his father relaxed and had fun.

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i know hes not gay but i wanted him to be gay michael and him would have made a cute couple

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But the film is not about he perceives his sexuality, is it? The film is about his wanting to dance, and wanting to express yourself through dance is not a gay preserve, I'm sorry.

You could say that "omg all u 'straight' people say he's not gay because that would spoil ur image of him" but why should it? When I watch the film I don't care whether the child is gay or straight or not - I just don't see that as being central to the story, for reasons I have explained in my previous posts. On the other hand, I have noticed the tendency among my two best gay friends to read a homosexual interpretation into everything we watch and they always begin their defence with "you straight people just don't want to accept it"! It's so bad that we have a running gag - who can throw a gay perspective on to the situation first? So far, I'm winning.

Here's just a thought: many years ago, when I was working in an office, I was chatting to our copier repair man. He was talking about 'Die Hard', which he had seen the previous evening, and was laughing at how, when he saw the Nakatomi building, he instantly started adding up the number of photocopiers a place like that would have - would it be enough to employ a single maintenance engineer fulltime? Did they have someone on a contract basis? and so on. Basically, he was poking fun at himself for allowing his job to influence his perspective on other things. Our sexuality provides a similar filter: I could just as easily say "omg, you gays want to see a homosexual slant to everything". I mean, you could interpret anything and everything hetero/homosexually and it would not be incorrect - however, that doesn't mean it is the only valid perspective, nor does it mean it is automatically the correct perspective.

Perhaps that is what is interesting about this film: the question of Billy's sexuality is ambiguous because it's not a coming-out film but rather a coming-of-age film, I think. If you are homosexual, you will obviously interpret it as you choose, likewise if you are heterosexual, and it would be intolerant of either side to insist on it being one way or another, would it not?

My biggest problem with the question of Billy's sexuality is that I sometimes think this question hijacks the main message of the film: do you really want to restrict the essence of a person to whether they sleep with people of their sex or not? Is that all you want to define this character by, or the main thing you want to define this character by? I could ask "does it matter?" but it seems to matter to you - so we'll skip that! :-) If you were aware of your sexuality at 5, good for you - seriously. At Billy's age - and I checked when the film was set and discovered I was the age he would have been in the film - sure, budding sexuality must have been an issue but it was not my *primary* concern (and, IMHO, 10-11 year old kids were a bit more innocent twenty years ago than they were today) and for this reason, I personally imagine it also may not have been the case for Billy. But that's my filter: I don't watch the film looking for (homo/hetero)sexual interpretations, I try to just accept it - him - for what it -he - is, whatever that may be.

That, however, is a personal interpretation - one I guess is every bit as valid as yours!

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I agree.

Whilst I feel it is ridiculous to state definitively that Billy wasn't gay, it is an equally ridiculous position to state that he was. Quite simply, there wasn't enough evidence in the movie to make a firm conclusion either way.

The issue of Billy's sexuality "was" addressed in the movie as it needed to be, it was after-all, one of the main obstacles he had to overcome in becoming a dancer, but the makers deliberately chose to do this in a way that allayed the prejudiced belief that Billy's desire to dance automatically made him gay. They deliberately chose to leave the issue of Billy's sexuality open (or even if he had one); every scene cited by some to confirm Billy was one way, you could equally cite another to confirm he was not and vice-versa, this was because as you quite rightly point out, a story about Billy's love of dance not his coming out story.

I also believe that by leaving it open doesn't necessarily mean open to interpretation either, as I said, I don't think there is enough evidence for either camp to be so sure, but you and I know that's never going to stop people from making an interpretation and nor should it, good films always give you that freedom. But one should consider, that in choosing to state definitively that Billy was gay or straight - you are in effect saying far more about yourself than you are about Billy.

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Billy could kiss Mrs. Wilkerson's daughter or Michael.

He doesn't do either.

He just dances.

Billy doesn't have to be one or the other - hell, look at director Stephen Daldry's personal life for evidence of that.

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I got the impression that Billy was into dolphins. It was subtle, but it was there. It's the way he moves his feet when dancing in the toilet- it's just like a dolphin uses his tail during a mating dance.

But then this begs the question: is he into male dolphins or female? Bottlenose or other?

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I think Billy´s sexuality is ambiguos and remains so during the whole movie. He tells Michael that he is "not a poof", but I think at 11 years he might be a little young to really know for sure whether he´s gay, straight, bi or whatever (as a matter of fact, so is Michael imo - although in Michael´s case it is made clear that he "stays" gay because of the final scene).
The point is that this doesnt really matter. The film is about doing what u want no matter how the odds are, and expressing yourself. Billy´s sexuality is ambiguous, but also pointless to the movie.

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He isn't gay IMO. At lwast nothing indicates that in the movie. In fact, when that obnoxius blond kid tried to "confort" Billy after he thought he had screwed up the audition, Billy hits him. In my mind, I think Billy thought that kid was gay, and he sure knew that he liked ballet, but wasn't like that kid.

Then again, it was very weird for me when the little girls was constantly coming on to Billy and yet he did nothing...

I think his sexuality is left for interpretation, and it doesn't really affect the story.

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Sorry if someone has already stated this but on the IMDb page, they have several keywords which relate to the movie. If you look, mid way it says Gay Character.


Don't Let No One And Nothing Take Away Your Dream...

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I don't believe BILLY ELLIOT was meant to be a movie about a gay teen coming to terms with his sexuality in a mid '80s mining town -- it was meant to be a film about a boy from a working class background with an artistic passion, not a sexual passion.

To clarify this, the film-makers gave Billy a platonic friendship with Michael who is gay. Billy rebuffs Michael's advances, but clearly accepts his friendship and accepts the fact that he is a cross-dresser -- accepting his friend for being different just as his friend accepts HIM for being different ("dancer boy").

I agree with the writer who wrote that Billy's violent outburst in the changing room had less to do with homophobia and more to do with class differences. When the posh, upper-class boy tries to comfort him after we have earlier heard him brag that he has been auditioning for the ballet for two years, Billy feels patronized (in the same way Billy's father felt patronized when the dance teacher offered to pay for the trip to London). It is ironic that, in his disappointment, Billy reverts to the working-class "boxer" his father wants him to be. And so he uses the same homophobic language he has heard his father and brother use when he attacks the boy.

Finally, I'd like to express my disgust towards the writer who seemed to find veiled gay references in the doctor's examination and in Billy's re-connection with his father.

First - The Royal Ballet is both a dance school and a boarding school. If they are going to have children living there, they have to know that the children are healthy. And if they are going to have the children dance for 4-6 hours a day, they have to know that their posture is good, their spines aren't curved, their bones are strong and their muscles and ligaments can endure the kind of rigorous punishment of dance training. For the writer to have seen anything other than a physical examination in the scene tells us more about the writer's own perverse titillations. There is nothing sensual about a shirtless 11 y/o boy bending at the waist for a posture exam unless YOU find it sensual.

Next, in the dramatic arc of the father in the story, he goes from being a cold, heartless working stiff who has literally destroyed what little music there is in his son's life (by chopping up the mother's piano and burning it) to supporting his son and doing anything to get his boy out of the mining town. The scene you are referring to happens at the end of the movie, after the father has succeeded in getting his boy out of the mining town. It is the first time in the movie we see the man succeed at anything. It is the first time he is able to be joyful. He has something to be proud of, and at last has a chance to express it with horseplay with his son. It is the only time we see him act like a traditional father. Earlier in the film he couldn't even be bothered to teach his own son how to box -- he had to pay 50 pence to someone else to do that. Now we see him actually interact. I also thought of this moment as a reference back to his earlier lines in the movie where he says "boys don't do ballet -- they box...they wrestle". I though maybe he was referring to his OWN childhood, and by wrestling a little with Billy, he was reliving a bit of his own past. Shortly, we will see him locked into the cage of the mine elevator, slowly being lowered into the darkness. The moment with Billy might be the last time he has to play with his son in the sunlight. Once Billy leaves he will be losing both his son and his sun.

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OH MY GOSH! What is it with IMDB? People on here over-analyse like crazy! Don't corrupt my movie! Billy's sexuality was not refered to show how untainted he was. How simple and innocent he was, as all 11-year-old kids SHOULD be. He's too young to like girls and he's not gay. He said so himself! Sure, it can take a while to figure out your real sexual orientation but that was not what the movie was about. It was about following your dreams no matter what society says.
Honestly, that child molester comment at the beginning of this thread nearly brought me to tears. How is it that we've come to make every little thing in life about sex?

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I don't believe BILLY ELLIOT was meant to be a movie about a gay teen coming to terms with his sexuality in a mid '80s mining town -- it was meant to be a film about a boy from a working class background with an artistic passion, not a sexual passion.

To clarify this, the film-makers gave Billy a platonic friendship with Michael who is gay. Billy rebuffs Michael's advances, but clearly accepts his friendship and accepts the fact that he is a cross-dresser -- accepting his friend for being different just as his friend accepts HIM for being different ("dancer boy").

I agree with the writer who wrote that Billy's violent outburst in the changing room had less to do with homophobia and more to do with class differences. When the posh, upper-class boy tries to comfort him after we have earlier heard him brag that he has been auditioning for the ballet for two years, Billy feels patronized (in the same way Billy's father felt patronized when the dance teacher offered to pay for the trip to London). It is ironic that, in his disappointment, Billy reverts to the working-class "boxer" his father wants him to be. And so he uses the same homophobic language he has heard his father and brother use when he attacks the boy.

Finally, I'd like to express my disgust towards the writer who seemed to find veiled gay references in the doctor's examination and in Billy's re-connection with his father.

First - The Royal Ballet is both a dance school and a boarding school. If they are going to have children living there, they have to know that the children are healthy. And if they are going to have the children dance for 4-6 hours a day, they have to know that their posture is good, their spines aren't curved, their bones are strong and their muscles and ligaments can endure the kind of rigorous punishment of dance training. For the writer to have seen anything other than a physical examination in the scene tells us more about the writer's own perverse titillations. There is nothing sensual about a shirtless 11 y/o boy bending at the waist for a posture exam unless YOU find it sensual.

Next, in the dramatic arc of the father in the story, he goes from being a cold, heartless working stiff who has literally destroyed what little music there is in his son's life (by chopping up the mother's piano and burning it) to supporting his son and doing anything to get his boy out of the mining town. The scene you are referring to happens at the end of the movie, after the father has succeeded in getting his boy out of the mining town. It is the first time in the movie we see the man succeed at anything. It is the first time he is able to be joyful. He has something to be proud of, and at last has a chance to express it with horseplay with his son. It is the only time we see him act like a traditional father. Earlier in the film he couldn't even be bothered to teach his own son how to box -- he had to pay 50 pence to someone else to do that. Now we see him actually interact. I also thought of this moment as a reference back to his earlier lines in the movie where he says "boys don't do ballet -- they box...they wrestle". I though maybe he was referring to his OWN childhood, and by wrestling a little with Billy, he was reliving a bit of his own past. Shortly, we will see him locked into the cage of the mine elevator, slowly being lowered into the darkness. The moment with Billy might be the last time he has to play with his son in the sunlight. Once Billy leaves he will be losing both his son and his sun.


I totally agree with this post. I think that the film is trying to prove the stereotype wrong that all dancers must be gay as there are many times in the film that allow us to decide whether he is or isnt gay. Many people on this board think that because the subject of his sexuality is touched in the film and because he is a ballet dancer, he must be gay.
It is especially hard for a boy in the 80's to do ballet without being called a poof but i truly believe that the film is trying to pove that Billy isn't gay.
For instance, when Michael cross dresses, Billy doesn't join in, he doesn't laugh at him either, because he is Billy's best friend and it is also harsh as Michael thought that Billy was gay as he did ballet, but Michael just came out the closet and may not have been ready to to a straight person.
Again, when michael says do you get to wear a tutu, Billy says 'no there just for lasses' in a way that did not say that billy wanted to wear one. Later, when Michael dances, Billy gives him a tutu, but doesn't want to wear one himself, because he doesn't feel the need to wear one, he likes the dancing, but not necessarily acting 'poof'.
When he kisses Micheal goodbye, he knows that michael loved him so he was giving michael something back, and also it was just as an act of friendship as he would not be seeing Michael again for years.
When Debbie asks if he wants to see her fanny and he says no, it was maybe a way of showing that Billy doesnt have to look at it to prove he is not gay. But when they are on the bed, i think there is more attraction between billy and Debbie than with michael.
Also when Billy is at the dance school, i think he punches the boy because he is annoyed that everyone pressumes he is gay because he does ballet, and he is slightly angry because the boy is from a upper class background whereas Billy's family had to work very hard through the mining strike to enable him to audition. He is homophobic towards the boy as he may be auditioning as he likes to dance, not because he is gay, and when he punches the boy, he still has that masculine tendancy to punch him when he is angry(i'm not being sexist).

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The thing is, someone that isn't official could have put "gay character" as a keyword too...

And don't forget that his friend could be considered the "gay character".

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The scene with the doctor is not sexual. Weren't you ever checked for M.S in school. We were and we had to take our shirts off and bend over. the dr. checked our spines for curvature. the reason he was told twice to do this is because he stood up. Dancers spines take a lot of punishment and if you have M.S it will effect your dancing, standing and future. Where on earth do you get your ideas?

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It is made reasonably clear that Billy is straight. There need be no explanation, if you truly watched the film.
In responce to "directsci"'s comment; you are an IDIOT. There is nothing to suggest a sexual nature or undertone in the scene with the dad and Billy rolling in the grass. They are simply and plainly happy. This is a normal action to display family/friend affection. Furthermore, with regards to the doctor scene, the doctor is checking for abnormalities in the spinal column (such as scoliosis). The doctor asks the boy to bend over and slowly raise while he palpates his spine, noting deformaties. Guess what. Thats how you perform a spinal assessment. I should know, as that is my career. There is nothing in the entire movie to suggest pedophilia. Please don't post without first doing your research.

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